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Post by northwestman on May 17, 2020 17:13:50 GMT 1
The millionaires in the Cabinet and outside (have you seen how much Hunt is worth?) will somehow muddle through I'm sure. So, how the hell did Hunt get his millions? He's worthless, however much he has in the bank. The Hunt family were landed gentry, of Boreatton, Baschurch, Shropshire. A cousin was Agnes Hunt, pioneer of orthopaedic nursing. In 1991, Hunt co-founded a public relations agency named Profile PR specialising in IT with Mike Elms, a childhood friend. Hunt and Elms later sold their interest in Profile PR to concentrate on directory publishing. Hunt had been interested in creating a 'guide to help people who want to study rather than just travel abroad' and, together with Elms, founded a company known as Hotcourses in the 1990s, a major client of which is the British Council. Hunt stood down as director of the company in 2009; however, he still retained 48% of the shares in the company, which were held in a blind trust before Hotcourses was sold in January 2017 for over £30 million to Australian education organisation IDP Education. He personally gained over £14 million from the sale and in doing so became the richest Cabinet member. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt
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Post by staffordshrew on May 17, 2020 17:40:04 GMT 1
So, how the hell did Hunt get his millions? He's worthless, however much he has in the bank. The Hunt family were landed gentry, of Boreatton, Baschurch, Shropshire. A cousin was Agnes Hunt, pioneer of orthopaedic nursing. In 1991, Hunt co-founded a public relations agency named Profile PR specialising in IT with Mike Elms, a childhood friend. Hunt and Elms later sold their interest in Profile PR to concentrate on directory publishing. Hunt had been interested in creating a 'guide to help people who want to study rather than just travel abroad' and, together with Elms, founded a company known as Hotcourses in the 1990s, a major client of which is the British Council. Hunt stood down as director of the company in 2009; however, he still retained 48% of the shares in the company, which were held in a blind trust before Hotcourses was sold in January 2017 for over £30 million to Australian education organisation IDP Education. He personally gained over £14 million from the sale and in doing so became the richest Cabinet member. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_HuntSo he comes from a long line of Right Hon. Hunts? I might have been able to stand him if he had just stayed in business, but no, he had to become a politician. As a businessman he somehow reminds me of Richard Branson, successful, but not to everone's taste.
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Post by northwestman on May 17, 2020 17:52:53 GMT 1
The Hunt family were landed gentry, of Boreatton, Baschurch, Shropshire. A cousin was Agnes Hunt, pioneer of orthopaedic nursing. In 1991, Hunt co-founded a public relations agency named Profile PR specialising in IT with Mike Elms, a childhood friend. Hunt and Elms later sold their interest in Profile PR to concentrate on directory publishing. Hunt had been interested in creating a 'guide to help people who want to study rather than just travel abroad' and, together with Elms, founded a company known as Hotcourses in the 1990s, a major client of which is the British Council. Hunt stood down as director of the company in 2009; however, he still retained 48% of the shares in the company, which were held in a blind trust before Hotcourses was sold in January 2017 for over £30 million to Australian education organisation IDP Education. He personally gained over £14 million from the sale and in doing so became the richest Cabinet member. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_HuntSo he comes from a long line of Right Hon. Hunts? I might have been able to stand him if he had just stayed in business, but no, he had to become a politician. As a businessman he somehow reminds me of Richard Branson, successful, but not to everone's taste. This doesn't impress me much either:- 'Hunt was educated at Charterhouse where he was Head of School. He then read Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Magdalen College, Oxford, and took a first class honours Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree. He became involved in Conservative politics while at university, where David Cameron and Boris Johnson were contemporaries. He was active in the Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA), and was elected to serve as President in 1987. In addition to these activities, Hunt was a member of the infamous Bullingdon Club'. Note that he was also implicated in the expenses scandal, and has also been involved in some tax avoidance when running Hotcourses.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 17, 2020 18:14:15 GMT 1
Lockdown length: learn from history, with Spanish flu the second wave was at least as big as the first Life (as anything near normal: Vote for whoever seems to have the best plans every time you get a chance Industry: Unskilled labour will be put out of work in their droves to enable socially distanced work even though it will reduce output. As the economy steps up robots will do more in warehousing and maunfacturing, unskilled labour has only kept their jobs this long because they were cheaper and more flexible than robots. Destruction of the tax base: The bankers will find a way round that. No public education services (no schools or universities): There will be a lot more on line, especiially uni, they already catch up with recorded lectures and lots of online research. No public transport which depends upon "buns on seats": You may have the answer; deliveries and passengers, so some of the seats do have buns on seats and some bums. The "Post Bus" might be back. Innovative skilled labour will be what gets us back on a new track The human species finds a way round, eventually. Re online learning, it’s expensive to set up and not always practical. My youngest was a uni lecturer and was talking about the vets school ar the University of Warwick where they start students with learning about horses. They have a life size model shire horse on which they learn how to intubate , inject and, of course, insert their arms up a horses arse. Imagine doing that online. Her friend is lecturing online and says students don’t take it seriously, he has had them appearing in their boxers, sitting in their gardens with a bong and lounging in bed. Also the attendance is lower than expected.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 18:24:23 GMT 1
Lockdown length: learn from history, with Spanish flu the second wave was at least as big as the first Life (as anything near normal: Vote for whoever seems to have the best plans every time you get a chance Industry: Unskilled labour will be put out of work in their droves to enable socially distanced work even though it will reduce output. As the economy steps up robots will do more in warehousing and maunfacturing, unskilled labour has only kept their jobs this long because they were cheaper and more flexible than robots. Destruction of the tax base: The bankers will find a way round that. No public education services (no schools or universities): There will be a lot more on line, especiially uni, they already catch up with recorded lectures and lots of online research. No public transport which depends upon "buns on seats": You may have the answer; deliveries and passengers, so some of the seats do have buns on seats and some bums. The "Post Bus" might be back. Innovative skilled labour will be what gets us back on a new track The human species finds a way round, eventually. Her friend is lecturing online and says students don’t take it seriously, he has had them appearing in their boxers, sitting in their gardens with a bong and lounging in bed. Also the attendance is lower than expected. Added to this the following list Mysterious internet problems Mysterious computer problems Background noise Watching something else while they should be listening/working on activities Arguing with their parents/partner/siblings Flat refusal to engage on Teams and ignoring emails and telephone calls The problem of managing large groups on Teams There will always be a place for good old fashioned face to face learning.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 17, 2020 18:32:49 GMT 1
Lockdown length: learn from history, with Spanish flu the second wave was at least as big as the first Life (as anything near normal: Vote for whoever seems to have the best plans every time you get a chance Industry: Unskilled labour will be put out of work in their droves to enable socially distanced work even though it will reduce output. As the economy steps up robots will do more in warehousing and maunfacturing, unskilled labour has only kept their jobs this long because they were cheaper and more flexible than robots. Destruction of the tax base: The bankers will find a way round that. No public education services (no schools or universities): There will be a lot more on line, especiially uni, they already catch up with recorded lectures and lots of online research. No public transport which depends upon "buns on seats": You may have the answer; deliveries and passengers, so some of the seats do have buns on seats and some bums. The "Post Bus" might be back. Innovative skilled labour will be what gets us back on a new track The human species finds a way round, eventually. Re online learning, it’s expensive to set up and not always practical. My youngest was a uni lecturer and was talking about the vets school ar the University of Warwick where they start students with learning about horses. They have a life size model shire horse on which they learn how to intubate , inject and, of course, insert their arms up a horses arse. Imagine doing that online. Her friend is lecturing online and says students don’t take it seriously, he has had them appearing in their boxers, sitting in their gardens with a bong and lounging in bed. Also the attendance is lower than expected. The difference fpr me was probably because I had a job too, I just could not afford the time to hare off to London to attend lectures, so caught up with some on line. We might have to get used to a work force in their boxers online, as long as those who choose to do so do the work. When I worked from home any early morning conference calls were done in my pj's, getting dressed afterwards, probably. There is always going to be stuff that you need to go in for, I am surprised they haven't talked of next year's GCSE and A level students going in one or two at a time to do the practicals, dissection, etc.
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Post by claphamshrew on May 17, 2020 19:51:22 GMT 1
Her friend is lecturing online and says students don’t take it seriously, he has had them appearing in their boxers, sitting in their gardens with a bong and lounging in bed. Also the attendance is lower than expected. Added to this the following list Mysterious internet problems Mysterious computer problems Background noise Watching something else while they should be listening/working on activities Arguing with their parents/partner/siblings Flat refusal to engage on Teams and ignoring emails and telephone calls The problem of managing large groups on Teams There will always be a place for good old fashioned face to face learning. Seems to me all of these problems are more indicative of a student’s application and desire to learn rather than a problem with the way the content is delivered. Would these be the same students dozing off in lectures or skipping them altogether, too hungover to attend, I wonder. That said, and whilst the Open University model is proved to work, I agree with the point that some face to face learning is likely to be necessary dependent on the nature of the course you study.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 17, 2020 20:59:27 GMT 1
why are people so stupid ; with hardly any time since lockdown measuers were slightly eased and it seems many people are ingoring safe distancing , so you can expect a surge in cases in two weeks time
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Post by staffordshrew on May 17, 2020 22:32:24 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 11:04:24 GMT 1
Test results came back on Saturday (via text/email).
We both tested negative. No surprise really given that we were already on the road to recovery by the time the test was conducted.
Hopefully the antibody test will soon be available so that we can test our immunity.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 18, 2020 11:41:41 GMT 1
Just what the hell is going on in this country? www.thesun.co.uk/news/11646028/commuters-barred-boarding-overcrowded-train-cops-stations/Those that cannot work from home flung into an environment where Coronavirus spread is virtually certain. Arbitary dates set for return to work and return to primary school with no plan for a staggered return to test the water. The government's handling of Coronavirus has been all about arbitary dates, number of tests, tracking and tracing by 1st June, but no thought about it being the right tests and the right tracking and tracing. The government is gambling with people's health. Never in a million years did I ever think I would agree with IDS: "last week, Tory MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith hit out at the government's plans and claimed that mixed messaging regarding public transport could leave Brits confused. Sir Iain told the Telegraph: "You can’t urge people to return to work and then just say ‘don’t travel by public transport’. "For millions of people that is the only option. You have to get it organised."
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 12:30:15 GMT 1
Added to this the following list Mysterious internet problems Mysterious computer problems Background noise Watching something else while they should be listening/working on activities Arguing with their parents/partner/siblings Flat refusal to engage on Teams and ignoring emails and telephone calls The problem of managing large groups on Teams There will always be a place for good old fashioned face to face learning. Seems to me all of these problems are more indicative of a student’s application and desire to learn rather than a problem with the way the content is delivered. Would these be the same students dozing off in lectures or skipping them altogether, too hungover to attend, I wonder. That said, and whilst the Open University model is proved to work, I agree with the point that some face to face learning is likely to be necessary dependent on the nature of the course you study. Not necessarily. I have a list (small one) of problem students, but there are lots of reasons why distance learning is an issue. Learning styles being a big one.
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Post by northwestman on May 18, 2020 12:57:30 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8330197/England-suffered-coronavirus-deaths-Italy-peak-outbreak.htmlEngland suffered more coronavirus deaths than Italy during the peak of the COVID-19 crisis, according to a shock new analysis. It comes as officials have been accused of a cover-up by ditching the global death comparison charts in the daily Downing Street briefings. Critics noticed the slide was withheld from the press conferences after it clearly showed the UK had become Europe's hardest-hit nation. The Government has said now is not the time for international comparisons, and tried to paint them as unreliable as the death toll continues to rise in Britain.
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2020 13:16:14 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8330197/England-suffered-coronavirus-deaths-Italy-peak-outbreak.htmlEngland suffered more coronavirus deaths than Italy during the peak of the COVID-19 crisis, according to a shock new analysis. It comes as officials have been accused of a cover-up by ditching the global death comparison charts in the daily Downing Street briefings. Critics noticed the slide was withheld from the press conferences after it clearly showed the UK had become Europe's hardest-hit nation. The Government has said now is not the time for international comparisons, and tried to paint them as unreliable as the death toll continues to rise in Britain. so what you are saying is the gov only show us stuff that suits them bit like you do you mean ?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 18, 2020 13:34:27 GMT 1
I can’t get the quote function to work, so this is in response to staffordshrew.
My family includes 2 teachers and a school catering manager, so during the past week I’ve had an insight, via them, into the chaotic way the government goes about things. Schools haven’t been closed but the take up of places for children of key workers has been much lower than expected, if this continues after 1st June it makes planning difficult.
However, primaries had been expecting the return of year 6 as a minimum. Teachers wanted this year group to have a chance to say goodbye to their friends (and teachers) and to get some preparation for ‘big school’. The announcement that nursery and reception children were to return was a shock. Contrary to what the government said there had been no consultation with teachers’ representatives. There are many issues. How do you get under 5s to socially distance? What activities can be safe when they are not to share toys? Staff in schools are told that they don’t need PPE, yet we all know how small children are unhygienic little germ spreaders. Staff are told not to touch the children, how do they comfort a crying 4 year old who wants to go home? Also how do they take children to the toilet, change nappies etc without while 2 metres away?
Last week schools were issued with 3 editions of guidance, each successive one usually contradicting the previous edition. Schools were also given risk assessment forms which were then replaced ar 11.55pm on Friday!
Unions asked the government to share the scientific evidence they claimed they were following, the government refused. Gavin Williamson made claims that there was no problem with schools opening in Denmark. He didn’t mention that this is only after inspections to ensure a safe environment, that the staff to pupil ratio is very low and that Denmark has much lower infection and death rates than us.
The hypocrisy of the government suddenly being concerned that poorer children will be at a disadvantage to those who are privately educated is breathtaking.
Then to cap it all you get the crudely orchestrated anti teacher propaganda in the Mail and Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on May 18, 2020 14:00:21 GMT 1
China will face a growing chorus of calls on Monday for an independent inquiry into the origins of the novel coronavirus as the World Health Organization convenes its key decision-making body for an annual assembly.
A draft resolution, tabled by Australia and the EU, calls to “initiate, at the earliest appropriate moment...a stepwise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation”. It also calls for “scientific and collaborative field missions” to identify the “source of the virus and the route of introduction to the human population”.
The motion, co-sponsored by the UK and more than 120 other nations and not supported by China, comes as Beijing faces greater scrutiny for its role in the coronavirus pandemic that has infected more than 4.7 million people and killed 315,000.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 18, 2020 14:24:08 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A.
With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better.
Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:-
- Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone?
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2020 14:29:24 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A. With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better. Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:- - Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone? I almost joined the army once but I refused to go overseas well not unless Britain got invaded
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 18, 2020 14:38:24 GMT 1
Lord Ashcroft and others need to read history. Churchill and his supporters were very vocal in their criticism of the Chamberlain government and lack of preparation in the face of the Nazi threat.
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Post by jamo on May 18, 2020 14:50:46 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A. With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better. Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:- - Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone? Instead of weakly copying and pasting the words of someone who’s political influence is as a direct result of the depths of his pockets, why don’t you read some history books. You may then be better placed to put the comments you refer to into your ‘case not proven’ file.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 18, 2020 15:10:08 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A. With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better. Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:- - Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone? How badly was Belize affected by WWII?
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Post by northwestman on May 18, 2020 15:14:50 GMT 1
'The politicisation of science or scientific advice might deliver some short-term political advantages. It’s very tempting, I think, to blame the science if a decision is made which subsequently turns out to be suboptimal in some way. But, this will have, I think, serious long-term consequences because it undermines public trust in science.
We need to see how ministers made the decisions, and how they may have changed their minds as new knowledge became available, because this is the way to enhance the public trust.
I think you can see why there’s concern in the scientific community over the, ‘we are following the science message’. It almost seems sometimes like a defence that some ministers appear to have been coached to deploy, when asked a difficult question'.
Professor Brian Cox.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 18, 2020 15:20:51 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A. With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better. Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:- - Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone? "Well respected", "universally popular"? Bit presumptuous there Swanny old chap. Do you have any evidence for that?
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Post by northwestman on May 18, 2020 16:12:03 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2020 16:38:52 GMT 1
so today anyone over the age of 5 with loss of sense of smell or loss of taste can get tested
good news for some b&a members next week they will include anyone with loss of common sense or loss of sense of humour ;-)
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Post by venceremos on May 18, 2020 16:49:03 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8330197/England-suffered-coronavirus-deaths-Italy-peak-outbreak.htmlEngland suffered more coronavirus deaths than Italy during the peak of the COVID-19 crisis, according to a shock new analysis. It comes as officials have been accused of a cover-up by ditching the global death comparison charts in the daily Downing Street briefings. Critics noticed the slide was withheld from the press conferences after it clearly showed the UK had become Europe's hardest-hit nation. The Government has said now is not the time for international comparisons, and tried to paint them as unreliable as the death toll continues to rise in Britain. so what you are saying is the gov only show us stuff that suits them bit like you do you mean ? When did you (or any of us) last post something that didn't suit you?
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Post by shrewder on May 18, 2020 16:51:36 GMT 1
Well respected political behemoth Lord Ashcroft has issued a withering broadside aimed squarely at the corona-moaners on B&A. With such a universally popular big-hitter thundering eloquently into the debate, it remains to be seen if this changes behaviours for the better. Perhaps if World War 2 happened today the questions would include:- - Can I have more clarity on the "Your country needs you" slogan, it's too ambiguous - Why aren't you doing enough to prevent the air raids? - Why didn't we have stockpiles of Spitfires at the start of this conflict? - Does the siren apply to everyone? Another wasted few hours of poor research by the train ticket inspector.
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Post by venceremos on May 18, 2020 16:54:53 GMT 1
Lord Ashcroft seems to have been watching too many old war films in his tax haven.
A lot of British people seem to have done likewise and persuaded themselves they lived through the war with a quiet heroism and blind loyalty and if we could only all do that again why this Covid enemy would be sent packing in double quick time.
* Reminder for younger readers - you have to be 75 or over to have lived through a minute of the last war and probably 85 or over to have any real memory of it.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 18, 2020 17:06:10 GMT 1
so today anyone over the age of 5 with loss of sense of smell or loss of taste can get tested good news for some b&a members next week they will include anyone with loss of common sense or loss of sense of humour ;-) can we and a sanity check for supporting the town as long as i have ?
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 18, 2020 17:09:42 GMT 1
Test results came back on Saturday (via text/email). We both tested negative. No surprise really given that we were already on the road to recovery by the time the test was conducted. Hopefully the antibody test will soon be available so that we can test our immunity. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/roche-coronavirus-antibody-test-uk"Pharmaceutical company says it can produce tests in the high tens of millions by June" at least they have produced a very reliable antibody test
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