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Post by staffordshrew on May 14, 2020 16:14:08 GMT 1
We are heading for a nation of clean shaven but long haired, toothless, socially isolated and uneducated job applicants.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 14, 2020 16:16:21 GMT 1
I can’t see how schools can reopen whilst advice/rules on social distancing are in place. How can it be everyone has to practice social distancing in public areas including children but the same children don’t social distance at school? Seems a plan made around a table without any scientific input, or are we back to numbers where a few kids and teachers deaths are worthwhile for the majority to get back to education... That neatly sums it up. Some children and teachers will die in road accidents on the way to school, but you need to have the schools open. It's the scientific input that needs to back up re-opening to give people confidence of minimal risk. I was hoping that Boris would have a cautious approach due to his expetience, but he still seems a bit cavalier. they need to follow what denmark have done , they have manage to re open schools in Denmark this article explains how they did it. what they also did was have a clear strategy there was co operation between the govcerment and schools. in contrast we have the usual chaotic ilthought aproach by an incompetent goverment. edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/europe/denmark-coronavirus-first-school-intl/index.html"Jimmy Skov Glasdam Adetunji, head of secondary education at the Hendriksholm School in Rodovre, just outside Copenhagen, spent Wednesday going through classrooms with a measuring stick to ensure the 440 students could be seated at least two meters (six feet) apart when they arrived on Thursday. He had split the schoolyard into six sections with red and white barrier tape, and sent a detailed diagram to parents outlining staggered arrival times, routes, breaks and lunch times." "Government regulations now require Adetunji to make sure the children are split into smaller groups, can wash their hands immediately upon arrival and at least every two hours, and that contact surfaces like sinks, toilet seats and door handles are disinfected twice daily, among other things, before he can open the school. Schools are also printing maps that mark entrance and exit routes and ensuring children remain outside as much as possible."
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Post by venceremos on May 14, 2020 16:50:39 GMT 1
My lingering concern is that ending lockdown has almost become competitive between countries; that we're starting to do it because other countries have and we can't afford to fall behind. That's understandable to some extent but I can't but wonder whether the scientific evidence really supports it in every country now.
We're still a long way from a vaccine or effective treatment. The possibility (likelihood?) of a second wave remains and today's comment of Dr Rick Bright, who led the development of US countermeasures to infectious diseases, is a warning:
"There will be likely a resurgence of Covid-19 this fall that will be greatly compounded by the challenges of seasonal influenza. We will either be remembered for what we did, or what we failed to do to address this crisis."
Coincidentally, I've just read Robert Graves' "Goodbye To All That", which is largely his memoir of his time as an officer in WW1. He makes a couple of references to the Spanish flu pandemic though. Having referred to his mother-in-law dying of the flu in July 1918 he tells how, in January 1919, he contracted it:
"A new epidemic as bad as the summer one had started".
That possibility is a real worry, or should be. Hopefully it doesn't materialise but it'll be a concern at least until we get through next winter.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 14, 2020 17:10:17 GMT 1
My lingering concern is that ending lockdown has almost become competitive between countries; that we're starting to do it because other countries have and we can't afford to fall behind. That's understandable to some extent but I can't but wonder whether the scientific evidence really supports it in every country now. We're still a long way from a vaccine or effective treatment. The possibility (likelihood?) of a second wave remains and today's comment of Dr Rick Bright, who led the development of US countermeasures to infectious diseases, is a warning: "There will be likely a resurgence of Covid-19 this fall that will be greatly compounded by the challenges of seasonal influenza. We will either be remembered for what we did, or what we failed to do to address this crisis." Coincidentally, I've just read Robert Graves' "Goodbye To All That", which is largely his memoir of his time as an officer in WW1. He makes a couple of references to the Spanish flu pandemic though. Having referred to his mother-in-law dying of the flu in July 1918 he tells how, in January 1919, he contracted it: "A new epidemic as bad as the summer one had started". That possibility is a real worry, or should be. Hopefully it doesn't materialise but it'll be a concern at least until we get through next winter. i cant find the reference but an Australian virolgist said very early on that Covid-19 would become a pandemic ,would mutate and continue to come in waves for years to come, since he got the first two right i have little doubt he will be proved correct with the third.
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Post by northwestman on May 14, 2020 18:29:03 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 14, 2020 18:53:05 GMT 1
on BBC news the goverment have had talks with the Premership and EFL to restart football in june , the big challenge for clubs is considering a stadium environment how on earth can they do safe distancing whilst serving beer/ food etc/ use of toliets and seating ?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 19:44:57 GMT 1
on BBC news the goverment have had talks with the Premership and EFL to restart football in june , the big challenge for clubs is considering a stadium environment how on earth can they do safe distancing whilst serving beer/ food etc/ use of toliets and seating ? Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 19:54:27 GMT 1
on BBC news the goverment have had talks with the Premership and EFL to restart football in june , the big challenge for clubs is considering a stadium environment how on earth can they do safe distancing whilst serving beer/ food etc/ use of toliets and seating ? Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders? Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 14, 2020 20:26:16 GMT 1
on BBC news the goverment have had talks with the Premership and EFL to restart football in june , the big challenge for clubs is considering a stadium environment how on earth can they do safe distancing whilst serving beer/ food etc/ use of toliets and seating ? Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders? yes it will to start with but at some time fans will get to watch football, i am a season ticket holder and bought my ticket with the early bird offer before the wheels fell off. Ask for a refund i appreaciate it is a fair bit of money but for me the club can keep my money, whilst i am aware not evryon can afford to do that.so only time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 20:31:44 GMT 1
Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders? yes it will to start with but at some time fans will get to watch football, i am a season ticket holder and bought my ticket with the early bird offer before the wheels fell off. Ask for a refund i appreaciate it is a fair bit of money but for me the club can keep my money, whilst i am aware not evryon can afford to do that.so only time will tell. Not sure affordable comes into it.... I would imagine most people purchase season ticket with disposable income....
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Post by venceremos on May 14, 2020 20:51:54 GMT 1
I read that, as a condition of the season being allowed to resume, the government is asking the PL to allow free-to-air TV or streaming coverage of matches not already assigned to Sky/BT and for funds to be redistributed to EFL clubs. If that's the case, this will be the second time this week I commend the government for something!
Broadcasters are still expecting some reimbursement from clubs though.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 14, 2020 20:54:42 GMT 1
yes it will to start with but at some time fans will get to watch football, i am a season ticket holder and bought my ticket with the early bird offer before the wheels fell off. Ask for a refund i appreaciate it is a fair bit of money but for me the club can keep my money, whilst i am aware not evryon can afford to do that.so only time will tell. Not sure affordable comes into it.... I would imagine most people purchase season ticket with disposable income.... Yes, bought with disposable money that you had no intention of seeing again. Sadly some will come out of this with less disposable income and they might not be able to afford a season ticket for the next season, but they could still catch a match or two hopefully.
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2020 21:04:21 GMT 1
Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders? Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch what if they have lost their job and maybe more ? they might even have bought their season ticket on finance and are still paying for it and could well be in a financial nightmare due to this virus considering the season has finished ( or would have done) I think stfc should have offered a part refund to anyone that wants it, or at least re-assured them that they will get what they paid for when possible after all they are a business and not a charity
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 14, 2020 21:47:43 GMT 1
Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch what if they have lost their job and maybe more ? they might even have bought their season ticket on finance and are still paying for it and could well be in a financial nightmare due to this virus considering the season has finished ( or would have done) I think stfc should have offered a part refund to anyone that wants it, or at least re-assured them that they will get what they paid for when possible after all they are a business and not a charity all very good points and i agree with all of them
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 23:02:02 GMT 1
Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch what if they have lost their job and maybe more ? they might even have bought their season ticket on finance and are still paying for it and could well be in a financial nightmare due to this virus considering the season has finished ( or would have done) I think stfc should have offered a part refund to anyone that wants it, or at least re-assured them that they will get what they paid for when possible after all they are a business and not a charity Yep... I get that, and from someone who is very close to losing quite a substantial amount I can understand that...so obviously would not expect all to do so....
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2020 23:15:02 GMT 1
what if they have lost their job and maybe more ? they might even have bought their season ticket on finance and are still paying for it and could well be in a financial nightmare due to this virus considering the season has finished ( or would have done) I think stfc should have offered a part refund to anyone that wants it, or at least re-assured them that they will get what they paid for when possible after all they are a business and not a charity Yep... I get that, and from someone who is very close to losing quite a substantial amount I can understand that...so obviously would not expect all to do so.... you could always sell your house, I'll be round to view tomorrow at 2pm so make sure you are out on your daily walk ;-)
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 15, 2020 7:06:16 GMT 1
who knows what future air travel might be like but this offers you an idea of they may handle it. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8321289/The-eight-hour-airport-check-Hong-Kong-screening-arrivals-lid-coronavirus.html"With testing booths, tracking bracelets and an eight-hour wait for results, this is the ordeal faced by arrivals at Hong Kong Airport. Photographer Laurel Chor, 30, recorded her arrival yesterday, starting with her being given a tracking bracelet in case she broke the mandatory 14-day quarantine. She was handed a thermometer and a temperature tracking table to fill in, then bussed to a nearby testing centre, where she spat into a tube in a private booth. After eight-hour wait – so long she was given sandwiches, digestives and a bottle of water – she got the all-clear. Only residents like Miss Chor are allowed into Hong Kong. She said there was ‘an atmosphere of patient cooperation’."
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Post by davycrockett on May 15, 2020 7:50:55 GMT 1
Surely this will be behind closed doors? how do you refund the season ticket holders? Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch Think there’s two different scenarios here. The STH’s who missed the postponed games last season which was unforeseen so think most would agree to no refund for those games. Then there’s STH’s that have purchased next seasons which the club are still pushing knowing the seasons could well be disrupted. Last I heard was around 300 already sold so doesn’t seem fair for a small number to loose out when most fans have deferred purchase because the club haven’t made any comment on what would happen if next seasons disrupted (knowing the situation whilst still pushing sales) Whilst I support the club I’m not prepared to fork out near on £600 (mine and two grandsons) with such uncertainty and no plan B.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 15, 2020 8:26:01 GMT 1
My lingering concern is that ending lockdown has almost become competitive between countries; that we're starting to do it because other countries have and we can't afford to fall behind. That's understandable to some extent but I can't but wonder whether the scientific evidence really supports it in every country now. We're still a long way from a vaccine or effective treatment. The possibility (likelihood?) of a second wave remains and today's comment of Dr Rick Bright, who led the development of US countermeasures to infectious diseases, is a warning: "There will be likely a resurgence of Covid-19 this fall that will be greatly compounded by the challenges of seasonal influenza. We will either be remembered for what we did, or what we failed to do to address this crisis." Coincidentally, I've just read Robert Graves' "Goodbye To All That", which is largely his memoir of his time as an officer in WW1. He makes a couple of references to the Spanish flu pandemic though. Having referred to his mother-in-law dying of the flu in July 1918 he tells how, in January 1919, he contracted it: "A new epidemic as bad as the summer one had started". That possibility is a real worry, or should be. Hopefully it doesn't materialise but it'll be a concern at least until we get through next winter. Absolutely valid point and when we've got the worst death rates in Europe getting competitive over opening everything is crazy
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Post by staffordshrew on May 15, 2020 10:25:22 GMT 1
As above, learn the lessons of history, Spanish flu, SARS, the historians may have more to offer than the scientists.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:58:43 GMT 1
My lingering concern is that ending lockdown has almost become competitive between countries; that we're starting to do it because other countries have and we can't afford to fall behind. That's understandable to some extent but I can't but wonder whether the scientific evidence really supports it in every country now. We're still a long way from a vaccine or effective treatment. The possibility (likelihood?) of a second wave remains and today's comment of Dr Rick Bright, who led the development of US countermeasures to infectious diseases, is a warning: "There will be likely a resurgence of Covid-19 this fall that will be greatly compounded by the challenges of seasonal influenza. We will either be remembered for what we did, or what we failed to do to address this crisis." Coincidentally, I've just read Robert Graves' "Goodbye To All That", which is largely his memoir of his time as an officer in WW1. He makes a couple of references to the Spanish flu pandemic though. Having referred to his mother-in-law dying of the flu in July 1918 he tells how, in January 1919, he contracted it: "A new epidemic as bad as the summer one had started". That possibility is a real worry, or should be. Hopefully it doesn't materialise but it'll be a concern at least until we get through next winter. Absolutely valid point and when we've got the worst death rates in Europe getting competitive over opening everything is crazy [ Isn’t Dr Bright the guy who Trump decided wasn’t up to the job ? As Trump was championing some dangerous anti - malarial drug to combat Corvid-19 which Dr Bright disagreed with , Trump removed him . Trump went on to say Dr Bright was a disgruntled ex employee, typical Trump response . The mans a bloody menace , not only to the America but also to the global community . Thank God Boris isn’t like him .😉 By the way it’s all gone relatively quiet on the Farage front , which hole is he tucked away in .
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2020 11:24:59 GMT 1
Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch Think there’s two different scenarios here. The STH’s who missed the postponed games last season which was unforeseen so think most would agree to no refund for those games. Then there’s STH’s that have purchased next seasons which the club are still pushing knowing the seasons could well be disrupted. Last I heard was around 300 already sold so doesn’t seem fair for a small number to loose out when most fans have deferred purchase because the club haven’t made any comment on what would happen if next seasons disrupted (knowing the situation whilst still pushing sales) Whilst I support the club I’m not prepared to fork out near on £600 (mine and two grandsons) with such uncertainty and no plan B. you think most would agree to no refund ? did you ever chase up that parcel you ordered that went missing ? or just put it down to one of those things / corona problems
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Post by davycrockett on May 15, 2020 14:11:12 GMT 1
Think there’s two different scenarios here. The STH’s who missed the postponed games last season which was unforeseen so think most would agree to no refund for those games. Then there’s STH’s that have purchased next seasons which the club are still pushing knowing the seasons could well be disrupted. Last I heard was around 300 already sold so doesn’t seem fair for a small number to loose out when most fans have deferred purchase because the club haven’t made any comment on what would happen if next seasons disrupted (knowing the situation whilst still pushing sales) Whilst I support the club I’m not prepared to fork out near on £600 (mine and two grandsons) with such uncertainty and no plan B. you think most would agree to no refund ? did you ever chase up that parcel you ordered that went missing ? or just put it down to one of those things / corona problems Not sure really what the majority think. Is Brian going to get 1000’s of requests for partial refunds, I doubt it’d... I wouldn’t push for a refund for this season but would expect one if I’d paid for next season and it didn’t happen / I couldn’t go ..... Think it’s different scenario if you’ve ordered something from a company, plenty get a season ticket to support the club. We could find out later today
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 15, 2020 14:51:30 GMT 1
What is Sweden's death rate per 1 million and how does that compare to other European countries? Does anyone have any links?
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Post by davycrockett on May 15, 2020 14:51:37 GMT 1
Think that anyone asking for a refund will be a bit tight to be honest.... the club can keep mine.... plenty of games to go to in the future.... let’s ensure we have a club to watch Think there’s two different scenarios here. The STH’s who missed the postponed games last season which was unforeseen so think most would agree to no refund for those games. Then there’s STH’s that have purchased next seasons which the club are still pushing knowing the seasons could well be disrupted. Last I heard was around 300 already sold so doesn’t seem fair for a small number to loose out when most fans have deferred purchase because the club haven’t made any comment on what would happen if next seasons disrupted (knowing the situation whilst still pushing sales) Whilst I support the club I’m not prepared to fork out near on £600 (mine and two grandsons) with such uncertainty and no plan B. I was a bit out on season ticket sales 😩 1200 sold and early bird extended to 31/05 www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2020/may/early-bird-deadline-extended-to-the-31st-of-may/
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Post by wakemanender on May 15, 2020 14:57:23 GMT 1
I think it has already been suggested that perhaps instead of playing games completely behind closed doors just allow season ticket holders into the ground and allow them to spread out socially distancing. I think it would work for a club of our size but not for the likes of Portsmouth and Sunderland.
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Post by northwestman on May 15, 2020 15:12:34 GMT 1
I think it has already been suggested that perhaps instead of playing games completely behind closed doors just allow season ticket holders into the ground and allow them to spread out socially distancing. I think it would work for a club of our size but not for the likes of Portsmouth and Sunderland. Yes, I suggested it! 3,500 at most should be able to be spaced around the ground. Presumably with those who are living together being able to sit together in small blocks. No food, no drink, stewards ensuring social distancing in toilets as well as elsewhere.
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2020 17:06:26 GMT 1
brilliant idea, except......
first time someone coughs, those around him will disperse as if he'd pulled the pin out of a grenade and dropped it
take a look at the nearest chimney pot and watch how far and how quick the smoke moves. ( ok just imagine it )
would you want to sit downwind of 1000s of people ? with the possibility of just one of them sending the virus into the air
no ? neither do i
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Post by staffordshrew on May 15, 2020 17:09:54 GMT 1
brilliant idea, except...... first time someone coughs, those around him will disperse as if he'd pulled the pin out of a grenade and dropped it take a look at the nearest chimney pot and watch how far and how quick the smoke moves. ( ok just imagine it ) would you want to sit downwind of 1000s of people ? with the possibility of just one of them sending the virus into the air no ? neither do i OK, your choice. Don't come back and say you want an STH refund though. Some will be going to work and calling at the shops anyway.
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2020 17:58:16 GMT 1
brilliant idea, except...... first time someone coughs, those around him will disperse as if he'd pulled the pin out of a grenade and dropped it take a look at the nearest chimney pot and watch how far and how quick the smoke moves. ( ok just imagine it ) would you want to sit downwind of 1000s of people ? with the possibility of just one of them sending the virus into the air no ? neither do i OK, your choice. Don't come back and say you want an STH refund though. Some will be going to work and calling at the shops anyway. that's like what liverpool said to the 290 athletico madrid fans who asked if they could be refunded as they were not attending for fear of catching/spreading the virus and that game was played on the date it should have done if I go, I'll probably sit in the centre circle, and wait for the stewards to politely ask me from 2 meters away to move ;-)
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