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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 17:59:30 GMT 1
So the only people on here whose opinion on such issues as ppe provision for the health and care sectors matter, are tawy voters? Course not but various posters are predisposed to disliking our prime minister and the tory party and, as such, are probably not taking an objective view to the current crisis. I prefer to keep an open mind myself.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 18:08:20 GMT 1
'People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household. When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration'. Hello Blackpool or Southport, Fined LLandudno or Barmouth. My sentiments exactly! I can't travel 8 miles over the border ot travel down to Tywyn. If I was able of course. Still waiting for our test kits to arrive by the way. I wonder if it will be one of these testing kits: " Healthcare firm advised by Owen Paterson won £133m coronavirus testing contract unopposed Randox Laboratories hired as part of Matt Hancock’s promise to carry out 100,000 tests a day
A healthcare firm which employs the prominent Conservative politician Owen Paterson as a paid consultant has been awarded a £133m contract without any other firms being given the opportunity to bid for the work. The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has given Randox the contract to produce testing kits to help respond to the coronavirus pandemic. It was awarded “without prior publication of a call for competition”, according to details of the contract seen by the Guardian. The founder of Randox Laboratories is Peter FitzGerald, a polo-playing multimillionaire Northern Irish doctor who is the UK’s 475th richest person with a £255m personal fortune, according to the Sunday Times rich list. Matt Hancock’s department awarded the contract last month under fast-track arrangements that enable public bodies dealing with the pandemic to give contracts to commercial companies quickly without the need to ask other firms to bid for them. The firm has employed Owen Paterson, a former Conservative cabinet minister and leading Brexit supporter, as a consultant since 2015. He is currently paid £100,000 a year at the rate of £500 an hour. Under its contract, Randox has been paid to carry out tests, both posted to individuals at home and administered at testing centres, as part of Hancock’s pledge to reach the target of 100,000 tests a day. According to the official notice of the contract, the department said there was no other way of obtaining the testing kits and the associated services that were needed urgently. Randox said last month that it was recruiting 160 mechanical, electrical and manufacturing engineers to start work on developing ways of detecting whether people have been infected. A government source said the DHSC was “unable to comment on the personnel matters of other organisations” when asked if Paterson had lobbied on Randox’s behalf. Randox did not respond to questions about whether Paterson was involved in securing the deal. The Guardian did not receive a response when it asked Paterson to comment. In a statement Randox, which offers Covid-19 tests privately to the public for £120 each, said: “It should be noted that Randox is only one partner within a multi-partner, national testing programme. The programme is being run and coordinated by the Department of Health and Social Care and they would be best placed to comment on the overall programme.” Paterson’s work for Randox has been criticised in the past. Documents obtained by the Guardian showed last year that he had helped to lobby for Randox and another firm he was being paid to advise. He had meetings with a government minister and officials to promote the products of the two firms. The documents raised questions over whether the North Shropshire MP had breached parliamentary rules of conduct. These allow MPs to lobby on behalf of a paying client, but with restrictions. The lobbying must not help to give an exclusive financial benefit to the client and the client must not have initiated the lobbying. Labour said at the time that it was not right for an elected representative to be paid to lobby for a client, and that the rules were too weak. When asked to comment at the time, Paterson said: “My financial interests have been correctly declared according to the rules of the House of Commons.” Hancock toured Randox’s laboratories in Antrim, Northern Ireland last year to inspect a tool for diagnosing sepsis. Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act suggest Paterson also took part in the visit. A DHSC spokesperson said: “The speed at which we have increased our testing capacity is unprecedented and a real success made possible by teamwork between the government and key partners.”
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 18:11:03 GMT 1
Please bash away. Just don't pretend it's not party political. You make a nakedly party political point and then accuse anyone who questions or criticises the government of doing the same, without a shred of justification. That's the politics of the playground. No justification except posts like this yesterday from Staffordshrew: "It's not like the financial crisis when Gordon Brown seemed to step up to the plate and lead, Boris has so far not done much on that score" Did you get on your high horse yesterday to chastise him / her about getting political or was it OK because he was making a comment you agreed with?
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Post by claphamshrew on May 11, 2020 18:11:52 GMT 1
I’d suggest that the people with the most objective view on matters are the people who aren’t posting.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 18:14:23 GMT 1
Or, on the other hand, people who are posting have a particular insight through their own experiences, or the experiences of friends and family.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 18:15:02 GMT 1
You make a nakedly party political point and then accuse anyone who questions or criticises the government of doing the same, without a shred of justification. That's the politics of the playground. No justification except posts like this yesterday from Staffordshrew: "It's not like the financial crisis when Gordon Brown seemed to step up to the plate and lead, Boris has so far not done much on that score" Did you get on your high horse yesterday to chastise him / her about getting political or was it OK because he was making a comment you agreed with? a) I wasn't on here yesterday, so didn't see it. b) There may or may not have been a party political point to Staffordshrew's post but it reads more immediately as a comparison of Brown's crisis leadership with that of Johnson. c) Whatever the motivation for that post, it's not juvenile, whereas yours …...
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 18:15:08 GMT 1
Stay alert. Classic Conservative Party ideology - you're on your own. The messaging couldn't be clearer. Until the new cases and new deaths are down below the levels before lockdown there is no excuse for this. No political posts here. Nothing to see. Any comments on this at the time Vencermos?
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 18:18:49 GMT 1
No justification except posts like this yesterday from Staffordshrew: "It's not like the financial crisis when Gordon Brown seemed to step up to the plate and lead, Boris has so far not done much on that score" Did you get on your high horse yesterday to chastise him / her about getting political or was it OK because he was making a comment you agreed with? a) I wasn't on here yesterday, so didn't see it. b) There may or may not have been a party political point to Staffordshrew's post but it reads more immediately as a comparison of Brown's crisis leadership with that of Johnson. c) Whatever the motivation for that post, it's not juvenile, whereas yours …... d) you're stance is hypocrtical as you appear to have no problem with those seeking to make political capital out of the crisis so long as it is at the expense of the Conservative party.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 18:25:39 GMT 1
a) I wasn't on here yesterday, so didn't see it. b) There may or may not have been a party political point to Staffordshrew's post but it reads more immediately as a comparison of Brown's crisis leadership with that of Johnson. c) Whatever the motivation for that post, it's not juvenile, whereas yours …... d) you're a hypocrite who has no problem with those seeking to make political capital out of the crisis so long as it is at the expense of the Conservative party. I described your comment as juvenile. Unlike you, I didn't resort to personal abuse. I don't wish to engage with someone who's incapable of reasoned argument.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 18:30:11 GMT 1
Stay alert. Classic Conservative Party ideology - you're on your own. The messaging couldn't be clearer. Until the new cases and new deaths are down below the levels before lockdown there is no excuse for this. No political posts here. Nothing to see. Any comments on this at the time Vencermos? Funnily enough, I don't read every b&a post so I'm unable to comment on everything that everyone says. I saw yours and did comment. Consider yourself honoured. Feel free to continue mining for every party political comment that everyone has ever posted on the topic and to which I haven't responded. It's something to while away the lockdown hours ...... PS Drw, it's not Vencermos.
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 18:34:12 GMT 1
d) you're a hypocrite who has no problem with those seeking to make political capital out of the crisis so long as it is at the expense of the Conservative party. I described your comment as juvenile. Unlike you, I didn't resort to personal abuse. I don't wish to engage with someone who's incapable of reasoned argument. Don't engage then. You don't have to respond to my posts. I do however apologise if you felt my comment was personal abuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 18:34:32 GMT 1
Isn't it funny how all the 'confused' people also voted Labour last year and just generally hate the nasty tawy party. A few people are confused on here who didn't vote for the Labour Party.
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Post by wakemanender on May 11, 2020 18:49:19 GMT 1
Never voted Labour in my life but have to say I am quite impressed with the start the new Labour leader has made. He hasnt been scathing or rude about the government and has come across quite respectful with his views.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 19:26:23 GMT 1
You make a nakedly party political point and then accuse anyone who questions or criticises the government of doing the same, without a shred of justification. That's the politics of the playground. No justification except posts like this yesterday from Staffordshrew: "It's not like the financial crisis when Gordon Brown seemed to step up to the plate and lead, Boris has so far not done much on that score" Did you get on your high horse yesterday to chastise him / her about getting political or was it OK because he was making a comment you agreed with? I don't care which party he was, I don't suppose some thought he was any good as chancellor, but I think he was calm and involving in his approach to saving the banks. I want Boris to succeed, but he doesn't have the dour Scottish personality, he seems more the life and soul of the party type, trying to be popular.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 20:07:11 GMT 1
Test kit finally arrived today by Amazon Logistics (on behalf of the NHS).
Problem was it arrived at 5:50pm meaning that I've missed the return courier for tomorrow (the courier can only be booked between 8am - 4pm for next day collection). First task tomorrow therefore, book the return courier.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2020 20:25:42 GMT 1
Test kit finally arrived today by Amazon Logistics (on behalf of the NHS). Problem was it arrived at 5:50pm meaning that I've missed the return courier for tomorrow (the courier can only be booked between 8am - 4pm for next day collection). First task tomorrow therefore, book the return courier. glad it has arrived
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Post by claphamshrew on May 11, 2020 21:02:41 GMT 1
Never voted Labour in my life but have to say I am quite impressed with the start the new Labour leader has made. He hasnt been scathing or rude about the government and has come across quite respectful with his views. In particular I liked the comment: “We will have the courage to support the government when that's the right thing to do and the courage to challenge the government where it's getting it wrong”. Most pragmatic and sensible thing I’ve heard all day.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 12, 2020 10:01:36 GMT 1
Never voted Labour in my life but have to say I am quite impressed with the start the new Labour leader has made. He hasnt been scathing or rude about the government and has come across quite respectful with his views. In particular I liked the comment: “We will have the courage to support the government when that's the right thing to do and the courage to challenge the government where it's getting it wrong”. Most pragmatic and sensible thing I’ve heard all day. labour loked to be heading in oblivion , he has his chalenges within the party but after the goverments shambolic handling of covid-19 , if he can regain the center of the party then the next election should be intresting.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 10:13:35 GMT 1
In particular I liked the comment: “We will have the courage to support the government when that's the right thing to do and the courage to challenge the government where it's getting it wrong”. Most pragmatic and sensible thing I’ve heard all day. labour loked to be heading in oblivion , he has his chalenges within the party but after the goverments shambolic handling of covid-19 , if he can regain the center of the party then the next election should be intresting. But Boris as a higher rating now than he did 3 months ago, and although it does look like KS will be a breath of fresh air, his insistance on the exit strategy being demanded for last 3 weeks has not helped him..... But i do like his approach to this pandemic.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on May 12, 2020 11:15:39 GMT 1
Purely anecdotal as I come from a background and family of anti-Tory so take this with the ultimate pinch of salt. Last election I was pragmatic in that I didn't necessarily want to vote Labour (wanted to vote Lib Dem) but knew in Shrewsbury the best chance of unseating the incumbent was by voting Labour, so I did. My parents and grandparents on the other hand dislike the Tories as much as me but felt they could not vote for Labour because of Corbyn. All said they would now with Starmer at the helm.
Now obviously could mean anything but I think Starmer was the perfect choice for bringing Labour back into contention.
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2020 12:37:33 GMT 1
I tell you what stats I'd like to know
from the daily death toll I'd like to see a breakdown of ages, area, sex, and what their employment was, just curious as to who is still dying
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 12:47:27 GMT 1
I would like to know what the R rate is across the different regions, if possible?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 12, 2020 13:04:32 GMT 1
I tell you what stats I'd like to know from the daily death toll I'd like to see a breakdown of ages, area, sex, and what their employment was, just curious as to who is still dying There is a breakdown by occupation in the Guardian today. Not surprisingly low paid male manual workers are worst affected.
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Post by northwestman on May 12, 2020 13:11:09 GMT 1
Furlough scheme will last until OCTOBER at 80 percent of pay.
The multi-billion pound furlough scheme is being extended to October.
Employees on the scheme will continue to receive 80 per cent of wages, up to a ceiling of £2,500 a month. Until the end of July, there will be no changes to the scheme whatsoever.
From August to October there will be 'greater flexibility' so furloughed employees can return to work part-time.
Where employees do come back part-time, businesses will share the costs of paying their salaries.
That's very generous indeed and seems to have taken some MPs by surprise.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 12, 2020 13:11:15 GMT 1
I would like to know what the R rate is across the different regions, if possible? wales is 0.8 but some parts of the country with blow numbers of covid-19. if had not had the hort spot in south wales i suspect the number would be lower.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 12, 2020 13:15:00 GMT 1
i have driven past the covid-19 assessment center and it seems very quiet.i would imagine initaly they would have been very busy. i would be curious as to how many people have been assessed there.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 12, 2020 13:32:18 GMT 1
Today’s article which neatly summaries the superb work the Government and populace are doing in conjunction to rein in this callous virus. Several Labour-leaning acquaintances I have are quite clear they’re now signed-up Tory voters given the way the ship is currently being steered. www.thesun.co.uk/news/11600774/plumber-backs-boris-johnson-lockdown-plan/- A NO-NONSENSE plumber has been hailed a hero after backing Boris Johnson's lockdown plan, saying guidance for Brits is not "hard to understand". - As the brief exchange drew to an end, he shrugged: "I'm not sure what you want? A full handbook to tell you what to do?” - He [Johnson] told the House of Commons: "The Government is today submitting to the House a plan which is conditional and dependent, as always, on the common sense and observance of the British people and on continual reassessment of the data."
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 12, 2020 13:42:28 GMT 1
has anyone else noticed the increase in advertizments for online gambling, whilst i know they are very common but they seem a lot more frequent since lockdown. from google; the uk has 350,000 gambling addicts www.finder.com/uk/gambling-statistics"46% of Brits have gambled in some way in the last 4 weeks. On average Brits spend £2.57 per week on gambling, totalling over £133 per year. 28% of Brits have taken part in the National Lottery in the last 4 weeks, making it the most popular type of gambling. The gambling industry was worth £14.5 billion in Great Britain in 2018, employing more than 106,000 people. Gambling addiction is estimated to cost the UK up to £1.2 billion per year." "0.7% of the UK’s adult population are problem gamblers. 3.1% of gamblers have bet more than they can afford to lose. Gambling addiction is estimated to cost the UK between £260 million and £1.2 billion per year. 7% of gamblers said they did so as a way to “earn money to get by day-to-day”."
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Post by northwestman on May 12, 2020 13:53:34 GMT 1
What on earth are they gambling on other than the Lotteries and scratch cards? Football in Belarus?
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 12, 2020 14:29:25 GMT 1
There should be no relaxation of the lockdown whilst the number of new cases and deaths per day.are multiples of the figures when lockdown started. Johnson needs to sober up and take responsibility. On the matter of returning to work Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 refers: link
Unite has produced this checklist: linkFinally join a union. Thousands have over the last few weeks. S44 seems very subjective. No doubt the unions will be the first to complain when people are made redundant. Have to get economy going again in a sensible fashion. If we take Sean’s line, we will never get going again. Same with schooling - other countries are reopening schools, I wonder what teachers expect before they will support reopening? We can not eliminate all risks, like many seem to think. It's not a magic bullet. That's why you need union advice to build the case. On the subject of getting the economy open. The only basis of that is safety. We are used to being told that the risk-takers are the lauded millionaires and billionaires and that is why they deserve higher returns and lower taxes than the rest of us. Suddenly the members of their work force are the risk takers - and their families. Join a union.
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