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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 13:06:32 GMT 1
Never assume people have common sense. Even Chief Constables have proved that not to be the case in the past few weeks - remember the searching your bags for non essential goods idea? Did the government think to give public transport authorities a weeks notice so that they could put some more drivers on the rota and gear up the service to more normal levels to meet the anticipated demand?
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 13:10:45 GMT 1
“What I don’t think is right for any government to do is to say we’re encouraging people to go back to work who haven’t worked so far before the guidance on what a safe working environment is has been published. That’s the bit that should come first,” Nicola Sturgeon said.
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Post by wakemanender on May 11, 2020 13:16:55 GMT 1
Llanamenach Golf Club has fifteen holes in Wales and three in England.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 13:21:12 GMT 1
Llanamenach Golf Club has fifteen holes in Wales and three in England. And, from Wednesday, a police checkpoint?
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 13:27:25 GMT 1
“What I don’t think is right for any government to do is to say we’re encouraging people to go back to work who haven’t worked so far before the guidance on what a safe working environment is has been published. That’s the bit that should come first,” Nicola Sturgeon said. If I was running the busses trains and underground I would have expected a little time to ramp up the social distancing process before dumping all the customers back onto my transport system. We have a government that thinks it's clever, wants to be popular, but doesn't think things through.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 14:13:18 GMT 1
Five new cases in Wuhan today, after none for a while. Seems to have flared up from an 89 year old man who had Covid 19 in March. Be careful out there! Stay alert, don't believe anything a politician tells you.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 14:23:31 GMT 1
Why oh why are we not all singing from the same hymn sheet?
England/Wales/Scotland all doing their different thing. There's a really decent garden centre 9 miles away, open from tomorrow. The problem is it's in Wales and I'm just across the border in England. Our garden centres remain closed but the Welsh ones can open. As things stand I am not supposed to travel 20 minutes across the border.
Likewise I can now go to the beach but not a Welsh beach even though it's on my doorstep.
It's an absolute farce.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 14:26:35 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 14:36:17 GMT 1
As I understand it then, my son's girlfriend can travel to see her family in Belgium and return by Eurostar, ferry or flight from France without having to quarantine herself for 14 days. If she flies back from Belgium she has to quarantine. Which option would you choose?
The idea that the UK and France can have a quarantine exemption is laughable. Was the Covid-19 virus a third party signatory to this agreement? Does it get seasick on a ferry, is it claustrophobic and doesn't like tunnels?
Perhaps, now we control our own borders, we're free to make agreements that allow the virus only to cross some borders but not others …...
I've long since given up thinking that the world can't get any more stupid.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 14:41:55 GMT 1
'People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household. When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration'.
Hello Blackpool or Southport, Fined LLandudno or Barmouth.
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 14:44:57 GMT 1
Isn't it funny how all the 'confused' people also voted Labour last year and just generally hate the nasty tawy party.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 14:50:01 GMT 1
'People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household. When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration'. Hello Blackpool or Southport, Fined LLandudno or Barmouth. My sentiments exactly! I can't travel 8 miles over the border ot travel down to Tywyn. If I was able of course. Still waiting for our test kits to arrive by the way.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2020 14:54:54 GMT 1
'People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household. When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration'. Hello Blackpool or Southport, Fined LLandudno or Barmouth. My sentiments exactly! I can't travel 8 miles over the border ot travel down to Tywyn. If I was able of course. Still waiting for our test kits to arrive by the way. at this rate by the time they arrive you wont be infectious
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2020 14:56:20 GMT 1
Why oh why are we not all singing from the same hymn sheet? England/Wales/Scotland all doing their different thing. There's a really decent garden centre 9 miles away, open from tomorrow. The problem is it's in Wales and I'm just across the border in England. Our garden centres remain closed but the Welsh ones can open. As things stand I am not supposed to travel 20 minutes across the border. Likewise I can now go to the beach but not a Welsh beach even though it's on my doorstep. It's an absolute farce. yes it is
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 14:58:52 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2020 14:59:10 GMT 1
Never assume people have common sense. Even Chief Constables have proved that not to be the case in the past few weeks - remember the searching your bags for non essential goods idea? in 14 days when we get a spike will there be a coherent responce and weather the storm or to do we have another episode of the keystone cops i suppose the idea of companies staggering opening times to spread the volume was to simple an idea, bearing in mind only a fraction of the underground is running.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:03:39 GMT 1
My sentiments exactly! I can't travel 8 miles over the border ot travel down to Tywyn. If I was able of course. Still waiting for our test kits to arrive by the way. at this rate by the time they arrive you wont be infectious At least my wife can have the test too.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 15:09:55 GMT 1
"This is not a short-term crisis. It is likely that COVID-19 will circulate in the human population long-term, possibly causing periodic epidemics. In the near future, large epidemic waves cannot be excluded without continuing some measures."
"Level 1 COVID-19 is not known to be present in the UK".
So how the hell do we ever get down to Level 1?
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 15:37:32 GMT 1
It's a shame we haven't got an effective social care system.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 16:14:06 GMT 1
Isn't it funny how all the 'confused' people also voted Labour last year and just generally hate the nasty tawy party. Making this purely party political is juvenile. The essential point isn't confusing, it's simple. If something has to be explained - and there have been multiple attempts by the government to explain its new message (to put it mildly) - then it isn't clear, and if a purportedly simple message isn't clear, then it can't be doing its job.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 16:21:21 GMT 1
Isn't it funny how all the 'confused' people also voted Labour last year and just generally hate the nasty tawy party. Only a simpleton thinks it’s that simple.
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 16:37:00 GMT 1
Various posters on this forum would bash the Government whatever it does. Let's not pretend this isn't the case.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 11, 2020 17:01:02 GMT 1
Various posters on this forum would bash the Government whatever it does. Let's not pretend this isn't the case. But only one or two posters on this forum would bash any poster who asks questions of this government.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2020 17:14:53 GMT 1
There has been one overriding objective of the government throughout this crisis. Protect the NHS and don't allow it to be overwhelmed.
In order to achieve this:
1.They tipped patients out of hospital beds and dumped them back in care homes, some either with coronavirus or not having been tested for coronavirus.
2.Closed down operating theatres and converted them into wards.
3. More or less closed down most other medical procedures, resulting not only in numerous cancelled appointments and operations, but also cancer patients having essential treatment delayed. Only now are things slowly returning to normality.
4. Set up Nightingale Hospitals, which unless there is a second spike, are unlikely to be needed.
But all of this effort has perhaps to a certain extent been underpinned by attempting to deflect criticism as to how the NHS has been under funded for many years.
However, small cracks eventually appeared in the areas of testing and PPE. The government tried to claim that stopping testing in March was because it was no longer necessary to do so, whereas the reality was that we didn't have the capacity to continue. The recent Channel 4 programme revealed that our stock of PPE has not only been reduced, but that a significant proportion of it was out of date.
I find it particularly surprising that Jeremy Hunt, who was Health Secretary for 6 years and had overseen an effective reduction in NHS spending, has now been appointed as the Chair of the Health & Social Care Select Committee and is giving his successor Hancock grief about such issues as testing.
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 17:15:28 GMT 1
Various posters on this forum would bash the Government whatever it does. Let's not pretend this isn't the case. But only one or two posters on this forum would bash any poster who asks questions of this government. Please bash away. Just don't pretend it's not party political.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 17:32:31 GMT 1
But only one or two posters on this forum would bash any poster who asks questions of this government. Please bash away. Just don't pretend it's not party political. So the only people on here whose opinion on such issues as ppe provision for the health and care sectors matter, are tawy voters?
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 11, 2020 17:35:54 GMT 1
Why oh why are we not all singing from the same hymn sheet? England/Wales/Scotland all doing their different thing. There's a really decent garden centre 9 miles away, open from tomorrow. The problem is it's in Wales and I'm just across the border in England. Our garden centres remain closed but the Welsh ones can open. As things stand I am not supposed to travel 20 minutes across the border. Likewise I can now go to the beach but not a Welsh beach even though it's on my doorstep. It's an absolute farce. It would be preferable to have the same across the UK, but that would require going at the pace of the slowest, or worst, or most cautious region, and effectively gives Scotland, Wales or NI a veto over what England wants to do. For once, I support the Govt approach.
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Post by Drew on May 11, 2020 17:44:27 GMT 1
Please bash away. Just don't pretend it's not party political. So the only people on here whose opinion on such issues as ppe provision for the health and care sectors matter, are tawy voters? Course not but various posters are predisposed to disliking our prime minister and the tory party and, as such, are probably not taking an objective view to the current crisis. I prefer to keep an open mind myself.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 11, 2020 17:49:11 GMT 1
Why oh why are we not all singing from the same hymn sheet? England/Wales/Scotland all doing their different thing. There's a really decent garden centre 9 miles away, open from tomorrow. The problem is it's in Wales and I'm just across the border in England. Our garden centres remain closed but the Welsh ones can open. As things stand I am not supposed to travel 20 minutes across the border. Likewise I can now go to the beach but not a Welsh beach even though it's on my doorstep. It's an absolute farce. It would be preferable to have the same across the UK, but that would require going at the pace of the slowest, or worst, or most cautious region, and effectively gives Scotland, Wales or NI a veto over what England wants to do. For once, I support the Govt approach. I’d go further and devolve decisions to the regions. Here in the north west there’s still a high rate of infection and local NHS managers don’t recommend easing of lockdown yet.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 17:54:01 GMT 1
But only one or two posters on this forum would bash any poster who asks questions of this government. Please bash away. Just don't pretend it's not party political. You make a nakedly party political point and then accuse anyone who questions or criticises the government of doing the same, without a shred of justification. That's the politics of the playground.
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