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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 18:41:54 GMT 1
I hope it was because I wouldn't want to go through the last week again in a hurry. Three clinicians say it is and all the symptoms bar a constant/regular cough have been present. Like you say though without the test you can't be sure 100%. My stepdaughter (an hca on the RSH Covid Ward) tested +ve nearly 2 weeks ago. No cough or any other symptoms except a fever of 39c. Recovered quickly and is back at work now and I pray your recovery is as swift and complete š glad to hear that your stepdaughter is better. |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 19:09:30 GMT 1
But you can go online and get a test, your symptomatic, why did you not ask your GP to recommend a test, I hope you feel better, but also hope you donāt have to be told everything..... I personally would have been online and ensured I was getting tested. I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. Workington? Pah! No problem. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8299967/Patients-tested-Covid-told-wait-10-days-results.htmlKey workers trying to book a coronavirus test using the government's website have been offered slots requiring a 400-mile round trip. A resident in County Durham was offered a test in Perth, Scotland - meaning a round trip of about seven hours - while others in the area were asked to travel to Edinburgh. |
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Post by staffordshrew on May 8, 2020 22:28:17 GMT 1
I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. Workington? Pah! No problem. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8299967/Patients-tested-Covid-told-wait-10-days-results.htmlKey workers trying to book a coronavirus test using the government's website have been offered slots requiring a 400-mile round trip. A resident in County Durham was offered a test in Perth, Scotland - meaning a round trip of about seven hours - while others in the area were asked to travel to Edinburgh. Stay at home, stay safe - have a postal test! (Suppose that isn't working properly either?). |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2020 8:03:14 GMT 1
from the mail
"Boston Dynamics' robotic dog, Spot, is roving Singapore parks in an effort to remind pedestrians to remain a safe distance from one another.According to a statement from the country's National Parks Board, Spot will traverse a 4-mile swath of Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park during off-peak hours while playing a recorded message that reminds park-goers 'observe safe distancing measures.'The bot will also be fitted with cameras that are 'enabled with... video analytics' which will be used to estimate the number of people in the par"
whilst the use of this bod is currently benign in a different country who dont respect human rights ths has the capacity to be abused,(such as increasing function to record conversation, face recognition software etc) whilst i understand the need for tough measuers during lockdown and the need to track,trace and monitor i do have some concerns about infringments of privacey guided as measuers to control covid - 19
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 9:11:49 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8302039/Hospitals-probed-sending-elderly-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.htmlHospitals may have broken the law by sending patients with Covid-19 back to care homes without telling their managers they had the virus. The Care Quality Commission (CQC) has been told that several hospitals returned people despite suspecting ā or even knowing ā they were infected. Tragically, these patients triggered outbreaks in the homes, claiming the lives of other vulnerable residents. Staff at the care homes would have not realised they had the virus so may not have been wearing adequate protective clothing or taken other infection control precautions. The CQC is investigating several cases after being informed by care home managers that hospitals discharged patients into their premises without telling them they had the disease. Coronavirus outbreaks in care homes are now āleakingā back into the community and driving the epidemic, Government advisers have said. Experts say widespread cases in care homes are pushing up the UKās average transmission rate and are providing one of the biggest barriers to lifting the lockdown. The stark warning highlights how the failure to protect Britainās care homes from the virus has not only cost the lives of thousands of elderly residents, but has also had devastating consequences for the entire population. Senior officials warned yesterday that levels of coronavirus infection are likely to be at least five times higher among hospital and care home staff than in the wider population. They are āparticularly worriedā about healthcare workers picking up the disease and spreading it among the wider community or to other patients. Ministers have been told they need to āget on topā of this urgently before the lockdown can be lifted.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on May 9, 2020 9:12:49 GMT 1
Few things winding me up at the moment. 1. People queuing round the block for drive through kfc.. how have they been allowed to open. The advice is still, go outside once a day for exercise, or for travelling to work if itās essential and you canāt work from home. So how does people driving to kfc fall into these regulations. Why arenāt police there booking everyone? 2. Ministers on tv reminding us everyday that we must social distance and stay 2 meters apart. Then on the same tv channels people being interviewed who are clearly not 2 meters apart, theyāve left a gap, maybe half a meter but people watching at home may not have a knowledge of how far 2 meters is think that itās ok to be that close. 3. The clapping on a Thursday night. Iām not knocking people showing there appreciation, but again on tv, these gatherings of people, showing people out on the street agin not 2 meters apart, just sends the Wrong impression. We donāt need a reporter and a cameraman (minimum) (not 2 meters apart) travelling around to show us whatās happening in Dudley 4. Dancing police/nurses. - it aināt funny,some Iāve seen are in very bad taste, (recreating the African funeral processions... really?!) and again sends the wrong impression, I know some will say itās highly stressful and itās a bit of light relief for them but is it right to say hospitals are at breaking point and itās hell to work in, then have a group of people doing the Macarena in Ppe? you basically moan at everything you see ;-) Another thing for me to moan at: Yesterdayās street parties. Many examples on tv of social distancing not being followed. Sharing drinks, the irony of mingling with each other in front of their houses which have Rainbows and slogans saying protect the nhs in their windows. |
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Post by londonshrew75 on May 9, 2020 9:27:48 GMT 1
Exactly. The media are the biggest hypocrites in all of this. So desperate for viewing figures they end up (in relative terms) geeing everyone up to create a story to occupy air time. I know it was a very significant day yesterday, but how many people would have broken the two metre rule after a few wines in that heat ?
This Government are a joke and are not fit for purpose, but I feel for them regarding the weather that's been dished out. Man alive.Hardly congusive to staying in.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 9:34:54 GMT 1
Exactly. The media are the biggest hypocrites in all of this. So desperate for viewing figures they end up (in relative terms) geeing everyone up to create a story to occupy air time. I know it was a very significant day yesterday, but how many people would have broken the two metre rule after a few wines in that heat ? This Government are a joke and are not fit for purpose, but I feel for them regarding the weather that's been dished out. Man alive.Hardly congusive to staying in. Yes, 23 degrees centigrade today. |
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 9, 2020 9:44:34 GMT 1
It seems a shame to waste all the experts on this thread. You should be in charge to show us how it's done.
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Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2020 9:45:54 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8302039/Hospitals-probed-sending-elderly-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.htmlHospitals may have broken the law by sending patients with Covid-19 back to care homes without telling their managers they had the virus. The Care Quality Commission (CQC) has been told that several hospitals returned people despite suspecting ā or even knowing ā they were infected. Tragically, these patients triggered outbreaks in the homes, claiming the lives of other vulnerable residents. Staff at the care homes would have not realised they had the virus so may not have been wearing adequate protective clothing or taken other infection control precautions. The CQC is investigating several cases after being informed by care home managers that hospitals discharged patients into their premises without telling them they had the disease. Coronavirus outbreaks in care homes are now āleakingā back into the community and driving the epidemic, Government advisers have said. Experts say widespread cases in care homes are pushing up the UKās average transmission rate and are providing one of the biggest barriers to lifting the lockdown. The stark warning highlights how the failure to protect Britainās care homes from the virus has not only cost the lives of thousands of elderly residents, but has also had devastating consequences for the entire population. Senior officials warned yesterday that levels of coronavirus infection are likely to be at least five times higher among hospital and care home staff than in the wider population. They are āparticularly worriedā about healthcare workers picking up the disease and spreading it among the wider community or to other patients. Ministers have been told they need to āget on topā of this urgently before the lockdown can be lifted. This is what I canāt understand. Having visited care homes whilst my Dad was resident for many years theyāre staffed by dedicated staff but the vast majority have little medical training. Thereās usually one or two nurses employed to tick boxes (often retired from our hospitals) but they're certainly not geared up to give treatment the same as youād get at hospitals with ICU and specialist doctors / nurses...No criticism of the staff but theyāre just out of their depth trying todo what should be done by the NHS Basically theyāre sent back to die and it would seem infect staff and residents in an environment that just isnāt designed to āisolateā and care for seriously ill and dying patients...would some have pulled through with āintensive careā? With the daily reports showing thereās never been anything like ācapacityā in our hospitals and 10,000 plus empty beds in Nightingale Hospitals why are the hospitals not treating and isolating them? |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 10:26:48 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/09/two-week-coronavirus-quarantine-to-be-announced-for-uk-arrivalsTravellers into the UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak of the coronavirus pandemic, Boris Johnson is expected to say on Sunday. Figures released to Labour MP Stephen Doughty showed that fewer than 300 people arriving in the UK were quarantined in the run-up to coronavirus lockdown on 23 March. The Home Office figures showed that just 273 of about 18.1 million arrivals had to spend time in isolation in the first three months of the year, including passengers on three planes from Wuhan, the centre of the initial outbreak in China. The BBC reported on Friday night that aviation minister Kelly Tolhurst is expected to discuss the proposals with airline and airport representatives in a conference call on Saturday morning. Closing the stable door now is too late. The horse has long since bolted.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 11:11:59 GMT 1
It seems a shame to waste all the experts on this thread. You should be in charge to show us how it's done. Well, this Government has certainly shown how it's not done. Procurement of PPE, testing policy, over 18,000,000 allowed to come into this country between January and March with only 273 isolated, ports and airports still open, care homes riddled with coronavirus, with hospital patients with the virus being sent to them, handling of the lockdown, with instructions confusing both the general public and the police, suppressing the release of SAGE reports and redacting those that were released to hide any criticisms of government policy. The list is endless. |
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 9, 2020 11:42:51 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8302039/Hospitals-probed-sending-elderly-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.htmlHospitals may have broken the law by sending patients with Covid-19 back to care homes without telling their managers they had the virus. The Care Quality Commission (CQC) has been told that several hospitals returned people despite suspecting ā or even knowing ā they were infected. Tragically, these patients triggered outbreaks in the homes, claiming the lives of other vulnerable residents. Staff at the care homes would have not realised they had the virus so may not have been wearing adequate protective clothing or taken other infection control precautions. The CQC is investigating several cases after being informed by care home managers that hospitals discharged patients into their premises without telling them they had the disease. Coronavirus outbreaks in care homes are now āleakingā back into the community and driving the epidemic, Government advisers have said. Experts say widespread cases in care homes are pushing up the UKās average transmission rate and are providing one of the biggest barriers to lifting the lockdown. The stark warning highlights how the failure to protect Britainās care homes from the virus has not only cost the lives of thousands of elderly residents, but has also had devastating consequences for the entire population. Senior officials warned yesterday that levels of coronavirus infection are likely to be at least five times higher among hospital and care home staff than in the wider population. They are āparticularly worriedā about healthcare workers picking up the disease and spreading it among the wider community or to other patients. Ministers have been told they need to āget on topā of this urgently before the lockdown can be lifted. Workers on the front line and in care homes have been saying they haven't had proper PPE for months together with testing of them all. According to government figures 67000 people were tested yesterday - there's surely more front line workers than that? These people need testing everyday for starters to control it or else an infected member of staff could spread it to lots of patients And it's been raised for ages that care home staff are paid very poorly and often don't get any income if they are unable to work, so have a choice of working while sick or not getting any money for their families - this could have been sorted months ago but still hasn't so the problem will just continue |
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 9, 2020 11:56:41 GMT 1
It seems a shame to waste all the experts on this thread. You should be in charge to show us how it's done. Well, this Government has certainly shown how it's not done. Which government? The Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales? |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 11:58:28 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 12:03:53 GMT 1
Well, this Government has certainly shown how it's not done. Which government? The Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales? The UK Government. There are some minor differences with regards to the way that Scotland and Wales have operated, but by and large it's the UK Government which calls the shots. However, I do concede that the others have been more open in engaging with the public re the lockdown. |
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 9, 2020 12:37:40 GMT 1
Which government? The Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales? The UK Government. There are some minor differences with regards to the way that Scotland and Wales have operated, but by and large it's the UK Government which calls the shots. No it isn't, it's devolved to the Scottish and Welsh parliaments. www.healthscotland.scot/www.wales.nhs.uk/nhswalesaboutus/structure |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 12:46:00 GMT 1
Stay at home, stay safe - have a postal test! (Suppose that isn't working properly either?). I've now managed to request 2 postal tests. Let's see how that works out. |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 12:48:08 GMT 1
Yes, I'm well aware that considerable powers have been devolved to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly in numerous areas. But by and large, they've tried to maintain a unified approach with regards to this crisis. This is what I meant by the UK Government calling the shots. There have of course been some differences. It doesn't look like Welsh schools are opening anytime soon. Garden centres are likely to open 2 days earlier in Wales than in England if reports are to be believed. I myself was the beneficiary of free NHS prescriptions and free parking in hospitals when living in Wales. They were also the 1st to introduce no smoking in pubs, which was long overdue. |
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 9, 2020 12:56:05 GMT 1
Yes, I'm well aware that considerable powers have been devolved to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly in numerous areas. But by and large, they've tried to maintain a unified approach with regards to this crisis. This is what I meant by the UK Government calling the shots. There have of course been some differences. It doesn't look like Welsh schools are opening anytime soon. Garden centres are likely to open 2 days earlier in Wales than in England if reports are to be believed. I myself was the beneficiary of free NHS prescriptions and free parking in hospitals when living in Wales. They were also the 1st to introduce no smoking in pubs, which was long overdue. At least we don't seem to have had any doctors mysteriously falling to their deaths from tower blocks like in Russia when they criticised the health service. Unlucky that.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 12:59:56 GMT 1
It seems a shame to waste all the experts on this thread. You should be in charge to show us how it's done. Well, this Government has certainly shown how it's not done. Procurement of PPE, testing policy, over 18,000,000 allowed to come into this country between January and March with only 273 isolated, ports and airports still open, care homes riddled with coronavirus, with hospital patients with the virus being sent to them, handling of the lockdown, with instructions confusing both the general public and the police, suppressing the release of SAGE reports and redacting those that were released to hide any criticisms of government policy. The list is endless. So redaction is to save face, you have that on good authority or is that just another guess that turns into fact. It could be just confidential information for many purposes including individual or commercial possibly? |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 13:02:50 GMT 1
Yes, I'm well aware that considerable powers have been devolved to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly in numerous areas. But by and large, they've tried to maintain a unified approach with regards to this crisis. This is what I meant by the UK Government calling the shots. There have of course been some differences. It doesn't look like Welsh schools are opening anytime soon. Garden centres are likely to open 2 days earlier in Wales than in England if reports are to be believed. I myself was the beneficiary of free NHS prescriptions and free parking in hospitals when living in Wales. They were also the 1st to introduce no smoking in pubs, which was long overdue. At least we don't seem to have had any doctors mysteriously falling to their deaths from tower blocks like in Russia when they criticised the health service. Unlucky that. Russia now has nearly 200,000 coronavirus cases, more than France or Germany and just a few thousand behind us and Italy, but they've reported less than 2,000 deaths. Have they imported some statisticians from China or North Korea to issue these figures? |
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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2020 13:05:19 GMT 1
At least we don't seem to have had any doctors mysteriously falling to their deaths from tower blocks like in Russia when they criticised the health service. Unlucky that. Russia now has nearly 200,000 coronavirus cases, more than France or Germany and just a few thousand behind us and Italy, but they've reported less than 2,000 deaths. Have they imported some statisticians from China or North Korea to issue these figures? no from the uk |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 13:11:14 GMT 1
Well, this Government has certainly shown how it's not done. Procurement of PPE, testing policy, over 18,000,000 allowed to come into this country between January and March with only 273 isolated, ports and airports still open, care homes riddled with coronavirus, with hospital patients with the virus being sent to them, handling of the lockdown, with instructions confusing both the general public and the police, suppressing the release of SAGE reports and redacting those that were released to hide any criticisms of government policy. The list is endless. So redaction is to save face, you have that on good authority or is that just another guess that turns into fact. It could be just confidential information for many purposes including individual or commercial possibly? I put up this link some time ago. Perhaps you didn't read it. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-adviceGovernment scientific advisers are furious at what they see as an attempt to censor their advice on government proposals during the Covid-19 lockdown by heavily redacting an official report before it was released to the public, the Guardian can reveal. The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus. However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out. Several SPIāB members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April. One SPI-B adviser said: āIt is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.ā A second committee member said: āThe impression Iām getting is this government doesnāt want any criticism.ā On Friday afternoon, after the Guardian revealed frustrations over the redacted report, another member of the governmentās advisory committee took to Twitter to complain of what he said was āStalinistā censorship. āPersonally, I am more bemused than furious,ā said Stephen Reicher, a professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews. āThe greatest asset we have in this crisis is the trust and adherence of the public. You want trust? You need to be open with people. This isnāt open. It is reminiscent of Stalinist Russia. Not a good look.ā The report, from 1 April, summarised SPI-Bās discussions about how to handle possible changes to the social distancing measures that had just been introduced to slow the spread of Covid-19. In the version published on Sageās government website, almost a page and a half of text was heavily redacted. The Guardian understands the blocked text related to SPIāBās criticism about possible government proposals around that time. These included the idea of reducing the amount of time Britons could spend exercising or shopping, and stricter financial penalties for those found to be breaking the lockdown. A third proposal involved requiring people to self-validate their movements, as was occurring in France, where citizens were required to complete permits before leaving home. Experts on SPI-B, which includes professors in psychology, epidemiology and anthropology, said they felt the proposals were too punitive and more likely to result in unfair treatment among people in deprived economic circumstances. A spokesperson for the Government Office for Science said the redactions took place because the policies discussed in the document were still under consideration. āThe only redactions relate to comments made by a Sage subgroup where specific reference is made to policy still under consideration or to remove contact,ā the spokesperson said. āRedactions were carried out by officials working for the Sage secretariat in consultation with the department developing the policy. All the subgroups were notified and given the opportunity to comment in advance of publication on the redactions being made to specific elements of any papers.ā However, SPIāB advisers who spoke to the Guardian disputed that they had been consulted. āWe werenāt given advance notice and we still havenāt been given a satisfactory explanation,ā the second SPIāB member said, adding they felt the redaction had been intended to stifle criticism. āThis government has failed to show any self-criticism whatsoever, when it is glaringly obvious to everybody that big mistakes have been made. If you want the trust of the population you hold up your hand and you say āweāve made these mistakes, this is why they happened, we regret it, weāre learning from itā. Rather than just keep saying āweāve done the most fantastic jobā and not being open to criticism in any way.ā |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2020 15:07:38 GMT 1
www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-tames-its-r-number-without-lockdown"The UK government has used modelling from Imperial College London, which makes some clear assumptions about lockdown." this model and predication of high number of death influenced the uk goverment to make a u turn. with estimate of uk deaths from 200,000 to half a million and even recently they trying to claim the uk's deaths could rise to 100,000 "The UK objective is to push R below one, by which it means it wants the number of new cases to fall. Last week, the UKās R number was estimated at 0.8 (Ā± 0.2 points), a figure described as an achievement of lockdown. But Swedenās reading is 0.85, with a smaller error margin of Ā±0.02pts." "Imperial didn't translate the above graph into deaths, but when its assumptions were published others joined the dots. A Lund university academic warned that it meant 85,000 deaths for Sweden. An Uppsala team, feeding Imperial's parameters into its own study, agreed. The modelling envisaged Sweden paying a heavy price for its rejection of lockdown, with 40,000 Covid deaths by 1 May and almost 100,000 by June. " "The latest figure for Sweden is 2,680 deaths, with daily deaths peaking a fortnight ago. The virus, it turns out, has been spreading at a fraction of the speed suggested. So Imperial Collegeās modelling ā the same modelling used to inform the UK response ā was wrong, by an order of magnitude" so how wrong can you get, Sweden has had a fraction of deaths than the Imperial model suggested,Swedens economy will suffer less damage than the uk,s by Contrat the Uk has the highest death rates in Europe and yet both countrys have virtually identical R numbers. if that is not the basis for an inquiery into the data and research from the Imperial College London then i dont know what is.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 15:24:57 GMT 1
A forensic examination of Ferguson's modelling is long overdue.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 15:34:38 GMT 1
A forensic examination of Ferguson's modelling is long overdue. Who would you trust to do it with no bias? |
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2020 15:42:03 GMT 1
A forensic examination of Ferguson's modelling is long overdue. Who would you trust to do it with no bias? Good question. The investigators would have to be independently appointed. I wouldn't let this government (especially Cummings) anywhere near the selection process. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2020 16:03:27 GMT 1
A forensic examination of Ferguson's modelling is long overdue. the big problem with the research i have is that it was not peer reviewed,personaly if any research has not been peer reviewed and then reviewed and published by cochrane ,then i would have serious questions about the research methods used. whithout that level of scrutiny it is merely one university perspective "The Cochrane Library (ISSN 1465-1858) is a collection of databases that contain different types of high-quality, independent evidence to inform healthcare decision-making" |
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