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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 14:24:52 GMT 1
Measures to be introduced in Wales to loosen lockdown measures:-
Outdoor exercise permitted more than once a day but must be 'local'.
Garden centres can reopen if they observe 'social distancing' rules.
Councils can start planning to reopen libraries and rubbish tips.
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 14:30:18 GMT 1
Please Boris, at least permit hairdressers to reopen!
I'm struggling here.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 14:41:31 GMT 1
Gwynnedblue has been seriously unlucky. We're getting these stats from the Government saying that coronavirus isn't as potent outdoors. But clearly, it's still more than capable of infecting you! No disrespect to Gwynnedblue but can’t be sure it’s Covid without a test.... also the severity of the virus seems to be affected by how much exposure. With no cough and mild (compared with many others) symptoms seems you can get different levels of the virus... I hope it was because I wouldn't want to go through the last week again in a hurry. Three clinicians say it is and all the symptoms bar a constant/regular cough have been present. Like you say though without the test you can't be sure 100%. |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 14:49:06 GMT 1
Once again, just as with PPE, Testing, Care Homes and other issues, this Government tries to hide things. Government scientific advisers are furious at what they see as an attempt to censor their advice on government proposals during the Covid-19 lockdown by heavily redacting an official report before it was released to the public, the Guardian can reveal. The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus. However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out. Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April. One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.” On Friday afternoon, after the Guardian revealed frustrations over the redacted report, another member of the government’s advisory committee took to Twitter to complain of what he said was “Stalinist” censorship. “Personally, I am more bemused than furious,” said Stephen Reicher, a professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews. “The greatest asset we have in this crisis is the trust and adherence of the public. You want trust? You need to be open with people. This isn’t open. It is reminiscent of Stalinist Russia. Not a good look.” Members of the committee have been discussing among themselves how best to respond to the redaction, which they believe was a heavy-handed move that jeopardises their independence. At least one scientific adviser is understood to be considering resigning over the government’s secretive approach to science around the Covid-19 outbreak, which they believe is undermining public trust. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-adviceA huge swathe of coronavirus documents used by the Government to battle to pandemic have yet to be published to avoid 'unnecessary confusion' of the public, the Government claimed. Some 16 documents from Special Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) meetings since February were released on 5th May, taking the total to 28. But according to a Government-supplied list it leaves more than 90 that remain secret. They include advise for ministers on stopping flights from certain countries, on when to stop contact tracing, and another on the impact of school closures. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289755/Secret-SAGE-files-government-DOESNT-want-Advice-stopping-flights-documents.html'Unnecessary confusion of the public'. That's a good 'un! Obfuscation at its best. |
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 8, 2020 14:57:48 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on May 8, 2020 15:00:58 GMT 1
Measures to be introduced in Wales to loosen lockdown measures:- Outdoor exercise permitted more than once a day but must be 'local'. Garden centres can reopen if they observe 'social distancing' rules. Councils can start planning to reopen libraries and rubbish tips. I’d put a lot of money on ours being the same..... for some reason after contracting Covid19 (allegedly) Boris understandably handed over the daily briefings to his cabinet and ‘experts’ ..... You’ll notice since his return he doesn’t do them anymore and NO announcements are made... just a daily waffle on how well we’ve done and fending off questions. We have to wait for Boris to make announcements at his much publicised and anticipated national addresses.... For some reason Wales and Scotland preempt him (but must have been involved in meetings) by follow in front of us cos we couldn’t have different rules to Wales how would they manage in Llanymynech? Different rules either side of the town... |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 15:05:46 GMT 1
Indeed it is! Even worse is this parroting of the Government's standard reply. We've heard it so many times, and it doesn't even begin to address Channel 4's revelations. 'Responding to the Channel 4 News investigation, a government spokesperson said: “The UK is one of the most prepared countries in the world and we have delivered more than 1 billion items of PPE since this global outbreak began.” “This is an unprecedented pandemic and we have taken the right steps at the right time to combat it, guided at all times by the best scientific advice, to protect the NHS and save lives'.” |
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Post by wakemanender on May 8, 2020 15:30:59 GMT 1
Please Boris, at least permit hairdressers to reopen! I'm struggling here. Not had a shave or a haircut since lockdown started. Doesnt seem much point in looking decent with nowhere to go. Grandson calls me The Wild Man From Bonio. He has got that slightly wrong so wife calls me The Wild Man From The Dog Biscuit Factory. |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 15:36:15 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 15:39:59 GMT 1
You could put a caveat that is an old piece from the respected buzz feed that was to do with the election eh .... |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 15:41:36 GMT 1
Measures to be introduced in Wales to loosen lockdown measures:- Outdoor exercise permitted more than once a day but must be 'local'. Garden centres can reopen if they observe 'social distancing' rules. Councils can start planning to reopen libraries and rubbish tips. I’d put a lot of money on ours being the same..... for some reason after contracting Covid19 (allegedly) Boris understandably handed over the daily briefings to his cabinet and ‘experts’ ..... You’ll notice since his return he doesn’t do them anymore and NO announcements are made... just a daily waffle on how well we’ve done and fending off questions. We have to wait for Boris to make announcements at his much publicised and anticipated national addresses.... For some reason Wales and Scotland preempt him (but must have been involved in meetings) by follow in front of us cos we couldn’t have different rules to Wales how would they manage in Llanymynech? Different rules either side of the town... It seemed to work tolerably well when Wales's Sunday opening hours for pubs were different from those of England! It only got confusing when some Welsh Counties were 'wet' and others 'dry'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 15:42:02 GMT 1
Please Boris, at least permit hairdressers to reopen! I'm struggling here. Not had a shave or a haircut since lockdown started. Doesnt seem much point in looking decent with nowhere to go. Grandson calls me The Wild Man From Bonio. He has got that slightly wrong so wife calls me The Wild Man From The Dog Biscuit Factory. "The Wild Man From Bonio"...now that really had me in tears 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for sharing that, it's made my day. My uncle always kept dogs and they loved bonio's as so did he 😅 My dad asked him once why did he eat them and his simple answer was...if it keeps the dogs healthy then they must be good for you. I don't know how his dentures coped! |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 15:42:35 GMT 1
You could put a caveat that is an old piece from the respected buzz feed that was to do with the election eh .... But any comment on the Channel 4 report Downie? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 15:48:03 GMT 1
I’d put a lot of money on ours being the same..... for some reason after contracting Covid19 (allegedly) Boris understandably handed over the daily briefings to his cabinet and ‘experts’ ..... You’ll notice since his return he doesn’t do them anymore and NO announcements are made... just a daily waffle on how well we’ve done and fending off questions. We have to wait for Boris to make announcements at his much publicised and anticipated national addresses.... For some reason Wales and Scotland preempt him (but must have been involved in meetings) by follow in front of us cos we couldn’t have different rules to Wales how would they manage in Llanymynech? Different rules either side of the town... It seemed to work tolerably well when Wales's Sunday opening hours for pubs were different from those of England! It only got confusing when some Welsh Counties were 'wet' and others 'dry'. Gosh those were the days! |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 15:50:47 GMT 1
It seemed to work tolerably well when Wales's Sunday opening hours for pubs were different from those of England! It only got confusing when some Welsh Counties were 'wet' and others 'dry'. Gosh those were the days! Same thing used to happen in England during the week. E.g. Blackburn used to close at 10.30, Padiham at 11.00. Manchester at 10.30, Stockport at 11.00. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 15:59:29 GMT 1
You could put a caveat that is an old piece from the respected buzz feed that was to do with the election eh .... But any comment on the Channel 4 report Downie? Go on then, a conservative source states... blah blah The current license runs out in 2024, the election is Dec 2019, which means next election is Dec 2024.... so the government has to review the licence, so it was a source stating the bleeding obvious.... so 2 and 2 adds 5 stating it was I. Response to rather than something it has to do..... |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 16:03:21 GMT 1
But what about the report on the PPE?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 16:05:39 GMT 1
But what about the report on the PPE? I was not on about that, and not looked at it, but will browse later, just pointing out again that your being selective in your highlights of negative spin again..... |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 16:06:23 GMT 1
Gosh those were the days! Same thing used to happen in England during the week. E.g. Blackburn used to close at 10.30, Padiham at 11.00. Manchester at 10.30, Stockport at 11.00. A coach owner in Tywyn used to run a booze special to Machynlleth and back on a Sunday when we in Merioneth were still dry and Montgomeryshire had lifted theirs. He made some good money on that trip as it was always sold out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 16:13:48 GMT 1
But what about the report on the PPE? Is I have browsed that, it would appear that PPE has been supplied and allowed to run out of date, now I would expect the government to provide the funds etc etc and if we can find evidence that shows that the government have been warned about shelf life dates and nothing was done then hang them, I would not expect the government to be checking the stores that are stored and leave that to the authority that is managing..... it may be led by Matt Hancock who is basically has vicarious liabilities, but is he actually responsible for that failure or is store management failure? |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 16:13:58 GMT 1
But what about the report on the PPE? I was not on about that, and not looked at it, but will browse later, just pointing out again that your being selective in your highlights of negative spin again..... Well, I WAS on about that. The only reason I included the other link was to point out that Channel 4 experienced run ins with the Tory party in the past, and that this current report may not have ingratiated them to Boris and Co either. The key issue is the Channel 4 report about PPE. If anyone is being selective it is you, in deliberately airbrushing out the main issue. |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 16:19:48 GMT 1
But what about the report on the PPE? Is I have browsed that, it would appear that PPE has been supplied and allowed to run out of date, now I would expect the government to provide the funds etc etc and if we can find evidence that shows that the government have been warned about shelf life dates and nothing was done then hang them, I would not expect the government to be checking the stores that are stored and leave that to the authority that is managing..... it may be led by Matt Hancock who is basically has vicarious liabilities, but is he actually responsible for that failure or is store management failure? As usual, it's the pass the blame game parcel between Hancock (DHSC), PHE and NHS procurement. www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nhs-procurement |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 16:37:55 GMT 1
Really not sure why..... if they have the equipment, then the management of that equipment has to be the responsibility of the managing agent.... so who is that? They are culpable, most of the management of those authorities are on good 6 figure wages
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 16:49:25 GMT 1
Really not sure why..... if they have the equipment, then the management of that equipment has to be the responsibility of the managing agent.... so who is that? They are culpable, most of the management of those authorities are on good 6 figure wages In England, most goods are bulk-purchased centrally and distributed to providers by NHS Supply Chain, which was established in 2016. Responsibility for procurement in England is split between several organisations: DHSC is ultimately responsible for setting the budget and top-line objectives of the NHS but keeps out of its day-to-day operations. In relation to pandemics it determines what is included in the national pandemic stockpile. NHS England, which is legally independent of DHSC, oversees the commissioning of NHS services and sets strategy. Public Health England, an executive agency of DHSC, is responsible for dealing with public health emergencies. It issues guidance on who should wear PPE, jointly with DSHC and other bodies, and maintains the national pandemic stockpile. How has NHS procurement changed since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic? NHS England has taken on Clinical Commissioning Groups powers to purchase services. This allows it to buy private sector beds on block and gives it greater ability to support the provision of services across the NHS during the crisis. CCGs will continue to purchase services as well. The Cabinet Office has issued guidance on emergency procurement which sets out the routes government bodies can take to access goods rapidly, such as direct award (meaning no competition) and accelerated procedures. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 17:19:58 GMT 1
Is I have browsed that, it would appear that PPE has been supplied and allowed to run out of date, now I would expect the government to provide the funds etc etc and if we can find evidence that shows that the government have been warned about shelf life dates and nothing was done then hang them, I would not expect the government to be checking the stores that are stored and leave that to the authority that is managing..... it may be led by Matt Hancock who is basically has vicarious liabilities, but is he actually responsible for that failure or is store management failure? As usual, it's the pass the blame game parcel between Hancock (DHSC), PHE and NHS procurement. www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nhs-procurementthe lot of them are not fit for purpose |
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2020 17:36:23 GMT 1
I know you're not feeling at all good, but perhaps a phone call to the media explaining your problem might get it highlighted, which in turn might get something done for you. I'm not one to make a fuss to be honest. Everyone is just pleased that I'm slowly on the mend after what has been 7 days. There have been many many who have had this far worse than me and sadly the UK death toll continues to rise as I type this. What I do hope is that sooner, rather than later we do have a large and effective antibody testing programme in this country that is managed properly for once by this government. great news that you seem to be past the worst, what I'd say is don't get complacent, you may have just had the flu and instead of being invincible from corona you might now be more vulnerable at the moment , that antibody test really is something we all need, I had something that was very slight a few weeks back, probably not corona as I tick all the wrong boxes for surviving it but the wait is a nightmare , keep drinking fluids |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 17:51:53 GMT 1
No disrespect to Gwynnedblue but can’t be sure it’s Covid without a test.... also the severity of the virus seems to be affected by how much exposure. With no cough and mild (compared with many others) symptoms seems you can get different levels of the virus... I hope it was because I wouldn't want to go through the last week again in a hurry. Three clinicians say it is and all the symptoms bar a constant/regular cough have been present. Like you say though without the test you can't be sure 100%. My stepdaughter (an hca on the RSH Covid Ward) tested +ve nearly 2 weeks ago. No cough or any other symptoms except a fever of 39c. Recovered quickly and is back at work now and I pray your recovery is as swift and complete 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 17:53:15 GMT 1
I'm not one to make a fuss to be honest. Everyone is just pleased that I'm slowly on the mend after what has been 7 days. There have been many many who have had this far worse than me and sadly the UK death toll continues to rise as I type this. What I do hope is that sooner, rather than later we do have a large and effective antibody testing programme in this country that is managed properly for once by this government. great news that you seem to be past the worst, what I'd say is don't get complacent, you may have just had the flu and instead of being invincible from corona you might now be more vulnerable at the moment , that antibody test really is something we all need, I had something that was very slight a few weeks back, probably not corona as I tick all the wrong boxes for surviving it but the wait is a nightmare , keep drinking fluids Thanks. After what I've been through in the last week I'm going to be even more vigilant over the coming weeks and probably longer. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 17:58:18 GMT 1
I hope it was because I wouldn't want to go through the last week again in a hurry. Three clinicians say it is and all the symptoms bar a constant/regular cough have been present. Like you say though without the test you can't be sure 100%. My stepdaughter (an hca on the RSH Covid Ward) tested +ve nearly 2 weeks ago. No cough or any other symptoms except a fever of 39c. Recovered quickly and is back at work now and I pray your recovery is as swift and complete 👍 Thank you. All my heartfelt wishes and respect to your stepdaughter. What an angel going straight back into that environment to care for others 💕❤ |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 18:39:25 GMT 1
great news that you seem to be past the worst, what I'd say is don't get complacent, you may have just had the flu and instead of being invincible from corona you might now be more vulnerable at the moment , that antibody test really is something we all need, I had something that was very slight a few weeks back, probably not corona as I tick all the wrong boxes for surviving it but the wait is a nightmare , keep drinking fluids Thanks. After what I've been through in the last week I'm going to be even more vigilant over the coming weeks and probably longer. glad to hear that you are past the worst of it |
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