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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 15:54:47 GMT 1
Not forgetting a front of the queue pass for the pub as well! He'd have no problem either with the beer tent or the burger van. Welsh produce at the burger van, and they serve you in Welsh if you prefer to speak the language. My luck I missed last year due to illness. Let's hope we make this fixture next summer. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 15:56:28 GMT 1
Thanks. As I said to my GP, I've not felt this rough since I had glandular fever 40 odd years ago. As you say I will most likely be missed (like countless others) off the list of confirmed cases just because no test has been done. How we will ever get to the bottom of this, heaven knows. We are at a loss to understand how I got it given that we live out in the country, self isolate and I've only been into one shop since lockdown. I do go cross country walking each morning along the Eddisbury way, I can only think I've touched a gate, or a stye and picked it up that way from another walker? That's by the by at the end of the day but it shows how none of us are immune. Please everyone stay safe. All the best, hope you recover quickly. Thank you. |
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Post by staffordshrew on May 7, 2020 16:00:10 GMT 1
from the mail "People who test positive for coronavirus after already having been infected are not getting reinfected, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO). Coronavirus patients declared recovered who later test positive are still expelling dead lung cells rather than getting a new infection, the organisation told AFP. " "South Korean health authorities raised fresh coronavirus concerns after reporting more than 300 cases of recovered patients who later tested positive again. If those who survive COVID-19 could become reinfected with the virus, it could complicate efforts to lift quarantine restrictions and produce a vaccine. But such test results appear to be 'false positives' caused by lingering, but likely not infectious, lung cells and left over material. " There is also that other little fly in the ointment, the flu mutates so that you get it last winter and you can get it again the next. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 16:02:49 GMT 1
Get well soon gwyneddblue. Perhaps if you have the antibodies they'll be letting you in at Rhos on Sea for the cricket in late August! That's if the game ever gets played. Thank you. A couple of days at the seaside will be a great pick me up unless Wales goes it's own way and extends the lockdown. |
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2020 16:05:19 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296417/Why-countries-shut-borders-Scientists-air-travel-main-driver-COVID-19-outbreaks.htmlAir travel was the main driver behind the spread of coronavirus, according to a study which adds more weight to the theory that closing borders helps avert major crises. Brazilian researchers found the nations hit hardest by the killer disease were ones which had busy airports accepting thousands of international flights. It may explain why the US (73,431) and UK (30,150) – which have the first and third highest air travel globally - have also suffered the most COVID-19 deaths. The US did not lockdown its airports until late March, while Britain’s borders remain open to this day and officials still aren't routinely testing or quarantining travellers. Damning figures show the UK quarantined just 273 out of 18.1million people who arrived in the UK in the three months before the lockdown was imposed. Not exactly rocket science is it?
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2020 16:20:36 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisisA secret government report that said the UK was not prepared for a pandemic and forewarned of the Covid-19 crisis in care homes is being published by the Guardian. The report is based on the findings of a government simulation of an influenza pandemic, codenamed Exercise Cygnus. It concluded starkly that Britain was not adequately prepared for a flu-like pandemic’s “extreme demands”. The 2017 report is likely to raise questions over whether ministers ever implemented key recommendations pertaining to the care home sector. It contained 26 key recommendations, including boosting the capacity of care homes and the numbers of staff available to work in them. It also warned of the challenge facing homes asked to take in patients from hospitals. Asked recently about the report on Exercise Cygnus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, said he had been assured by officials at the Department of Health that “everything that was recommended was done”. However, Martin Green, the chief executive of Care England, which represents the largest independent care home providers, said concerns raised by the exercise about the social care system’s ability to handle patients discharged from hospitals and the need for the largest private care providers to increase capacity were not raised by government agencies with his members. “It beggars belief,” Green told the Guardian. “This is a report that made some really clear recommendations that haven’t been implemented. If they had put in place a response to every one, we would have been in a much better place at the start of this pandemic.” The government has kept the Exercise Cygnus report secret since it was first circulated in Whitehall three years ago, and has resisted growing calls for more transparency, which culminated in the announcement of a legal case to force ministers to release the findings. However a copy was leaked to the Guardian, which is publishing the document in the public interest.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 7, 2020 17:21:04 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisisA secret government report that said the UK was not prepared for a pandemic and forewarned of the Covid-19 crisis in care homes is being published by the Guardian. The report is based on the findings of a government simulation of an influenza pandemic, codenamed Exercise Cygnus. It concluded starkly that Britain was not adequately prepared for a flu-like pandemic’s “extreme demands”. The 2017 report is likely to raise questions over whether ministers ever implemented key recommendations pertaining to the care home sector. It contained 26 key recommendations, including boosting the capacity of care homes and the numbers of staff available to work in them. It also warned of the challenge facing homes asked to take in patients from hospitals. Asked recently about the report on Exercise Cygnus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, said he had been assured by officials at the Department of Health that “everything that was recommended was done”. However, Martin Green, the chief executive of Care England, which represents the largest independent care home providers, said concerns raised by the exercise about the social care system’s ability to handle patients discharged from hospitals and the need for the largest private care providers to increase capacity were not raised by government agencies with his members. “It beggars belief,” Green told the Guardian. “This is a report that made some really clear recommendations that haven’t been implemented. If they had put in place a response to every one, we would have been in a much better place at the start of this pandemic.” The government has kept the Exercise Cygnus report secret since it was first circulated in Whitehall three years ago, and has resisted growing calls for more transparency, which culminated in the announcement of a legal case to force ministers to release the findings. However a copy was leaked to the Guardian, which is publishing the document in the public interest. Even a rolling stock level of ppe to try to limit flu transmission would have been a step forward. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 18:10:42 GMT 1
If your over 65? you can go on line and get a test. Think it’s important you know for sure .....immunity and all that may become clearer in time, I’d want to know..... Hope your better soon 💙🧡 I've just turned 60 so don't fall into the listed category. But you can go online and get a test, your symptomatic, why did you not ask your GP to recommend a test, I hope you feel better, but also hope you don’t have to be told everything..... I personally would have been online and ensured I was getting tested. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 7:29:15 GMT 1
this just showes how much influence and power China has;
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"The European Union has excised reference in a public letter that the coronavirus pandemic originated in China, after receiving pressure to do so from the Chinese foreign ministry.
The European External Action Service was pressured to remove a reference to the 'outbreak of the coronavirus in China' as an explanation for an abandoned EU-China summit."
"Norbert Röttgen, head of the German parliament's foreign affairs committee, was said to be in shock 'not once but twice', according to a report in The Telegraph. Adding: 'First the EU ambassadors generously adopt Chinese narratives and then the EU representation accepts Chinese censorship of the joint op-ed. "
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Post by Northwest Shrew on May 8, 2020 9:56:40 GMT 1
Few things winding me up at the moment.
1. People queuing round the block for drive through kfc.. how have they been allowed to open. The advice is still, go outside once a day for exercise, or for travelling to work if it’s essential and you can’t work from home. So how does people driving to kfc fall into these regulations. Why aren’t police there booking everyone?
2. Ministers on tv reminding us everyday that we must social distance and stay 2 meters apart. Then on the same tv channels people being interviewed who are clearly not 2 meters apart, they’ve left a gap, maybe half a meter but people watching at home may not have a knowledge of how far 2 meters is think that it’s ok to be that close.
3. The clapping on a Thursday night. I’m not knocking people showing there appreciation, but again on tv, these gatherings of people, showing people out on the street agin not 2 meters apart, just sends the Wrong impression. We don’t need a reporter and a cameraman (minimum) (not 2 meters apart) travelling around to show us what’s happening in Dudley
4. Dancing police/nurses. - it ain’t funny,some I’ve seen are in very bad taste, (recreating the African funeral processions... really?!) and again sends the wrong impression, I know some will say it’s highly stressful and it’s a bit of light relief for them but is it right to say hospitals are at breaking point and it’s hell to work in, then have a group of people doing the Macarena in Ppe?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 10:01:04 GMT 1
I've just turned 60 so don't fall into the listed category. But you can go online and get a test, your symptomatic, why did you not ask your GP to recommend a test, I hope you feel better, but also hope you don’t have to be told everything..... I personally would have been online and ensured I was getting tested. I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. |
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 8, 2020 10:03:25 GMT 1
The most Bizz R thing I've seen was reporter Fiona Trott driving all the way to Scarborough to report the beach was deserted.
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on May 8, 2020 10:19:55 GMT 1
Few things winding me up at the moment. 1. People queuing round the block for drive through kfc.. how have they been allowed to open. The advice is still, go outside once a day for exercise, or for travelling to work if it’s essential and you can’t work from home. So how does people driving to kfc fall into these regulations. Why aren’t police there booking everyone? 2. Ministers on tv reminding us everyday that we must social distance and stay 2 meters apart. Then on the same tv channels people being interviewed who are clearly not 2 meters apart, they’ve left a gap, maybe half a meter but people watching at home may not have a knowledge of how far 2 meters is think that it’s ok to be that close. 3. The clapping on a Thursday night. I’m not knocking people showing there appreciation, but again on tv, these gatherings of people, showing people out on the street agin not 2 meters apart, just sends the Wrong impression. We don’t need a reporter and a cameraman (minimum) (not 2 meters apart) travelling around to show us what’s happening in Dudley 4. Dancing police/nurses. - it ain’t funny,some I’ve seen are in very bad taste, (recreating the African funeral processions... really?!) and again sends the wrong impression, I know some will say it’s highly stressful and it’s a bit of light relief for them but is it right to say hospitals are at breaking point and it’s hell to work in, then have a group of people doing the Macarena in Ppe? you basically moan at everything you see ;-) |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 11:14:05 GMT 1
But you can go online and get a test, your symptomatic, why did you not ask your GP to recommend a test, I hope you feel better, but also hope you don’t have to be told everything..... I personally would have been online and ensured I was getting tested. I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. I know you're not feeling at all good, but perhaps a phone call to the media explaining your problem might get it highlighted, which in turn might get something done for you. |
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Post by staffordshrew on May 8, 2020 11:20:58 GMT 1
I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. I know you're not feeling at all good, but perhaps a phone call to the media explaining your problem might get it highlighted, which in turn might get something done for you. Shows the mess testing is in, can't understand why Boris made his 200,000 a day pledge when the system just is not working right at the level of tests we are at now? |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 11:30:07 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/mixed-messages-uk-governments-strategy-fuels-fears-of-rule-breakingMixed messages': UK government's strategy fuels fears of rule-breaking. I like these comments by Alistair Campbell: “They just don’t think things through. I’m afraid I think it’s all of a pattern. The reason all this matters is that at some stage they are going to have to reset their strategy in a pretty big way and how they communicate with the public... they’re not going to be able to do that until they admit they have made a lot of mistakes.” “All they need to do is say these are the facts, these are the problems and this is how we will deal with them. They’ve turned everything into: ‘We’re right, everybody’s wrong, aren’t we doing well?"
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Post by wakemanender on May 8, 2020 11:41:22 GMT 1
Get well soon Gwynnedblue. I think your case really does show that no matter how careful you are in following all the self isolating rules it is still possible to catch the virus. My lifestyle at the moment is exactly the same as yours and if I caught the virus I would be driving myself mad thinking how I had got it. After my daily walks I am now washing my hands but wouldnt have thought about doing that previously. I am fuming at the moment because my neighbours are sitting very close together in the garden chatting away happily. He returned home yesterday on a repatriation flight from Saudi after working out there for six months. A case for a couple of weeks of social distancing from one another if ever there was one. They will probably get away with it but you go on a walk and touch a gate and you are not so lucky.
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 11:49:30 GMT 1
Gwynnedblue has been seriously unlucky.
We're getting these stats from the Government saying that coronavirus isn't as potent outdoors. But clearly, it's still more than capable of infecting you!
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 11:53:18 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300139/Expert-Britons-terrorised-governments-tough-coronavirus-message.htmlBoris Johnson's hardline coronavirus lockdown message has 'effectively terrorised' the UK population into believing they will die if they catch coronavirus, one of the government's experts has said. Professor Robert Dingwall suggested Britain had 'completely lost sight' of the true nature of the disease because 'mostly it isn't' killing people. His comments illustrate the potential problems facing the Prime Minister as he prepares to set out his lockdown exit plan in an address to the nation on Sunday night. Polling published yesterday showed almost two thirds of the population are worried about the effects of lifting the draconian curbs too early. The public fears the virus far more than immediate economic meltdown.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 12:26:12 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300139/Expert-Britons-terrorised-governments-tough-coronavirus-message.htmlBoris Johnson's hardline coronavirus lockdown message has 'effectively terrorised' the UK population into believing they will die if they catch coronavirus, one of the government's experts has said. Professor Robert Dingwall suggested Britain had 'completely lost sight' of the true nature of the disease because 'mostly it isn't' killing people. His comments illustrate the potential problems facing the Prime Minister as he prepares to set out his lockdown exit plan in an address to the nation on Sunday night. Polling published yesterday showed almost two thirds of the population are worried about the effects of lifting the draconian curbs too early. The public fears the virus far more than immediate economic meltdown. How bizarre, what a stupid statement, most people are critical that the lockdown has not been strict enough like in other European countries. Like I say damned if you do, dammed if you don’t..... |
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 12:28:41 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300139/Expert-Britons-terrorised-governments-tough-coronavirus-message.htmlBoris Johnson's hardline coronavirus lockdown message has 'effectively terrorised' the UK population into believing they will die if they catch coronavirus, one of the government's experts has said. Professor Robert Dingwall suggested Britain had 'completely lost sight' of the true nature of the disease because 'mostly it isn't' killing people. His comments illustrate the potential problems facing the Prime Minister as he prepares to set out his lockdown exit plan in an address to the nation on Sunday night. Polling published yesterday showed almost two thirds of the population are worried about the effects of lifting the draconian curbs too early. The public fears the virus far more than immediate economic meltdown. How bizarre, what a stupid statement, most people are critical that the lockdown has not been strict enough like in other European countries. Like I say damned if you do, dammed if you don’t..... That's experts for you Downie. They rarely seem to agree about anything. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 8, 2020 12:36:17 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300139/Expert-Britons-terrorised-governments-tough-coronavirus-message.htmlBoris Johnson's hardline coronavirus lockdown message has 'effectively terrorised' the UK population into believing they will die if they catch coronavirus, one of the government's experts has said. Professor Robert Dingwall suggested Britain had 'completely lost sight' of the true nature of the disease because 'mostly it isn't' killing people. His comments illustrate the potential problems facing the Prime Minister as he prepares to set out his lockdown exit plan in an address to the nation on Sunday night. Polling published yesterday showed almost two thirds of the population are worried about the effects of lifting the draconian curbs too early. The public fears the virus far more than immediate economic meltdown. How bizarre, what a stupid statement, most people are critical that the lockdown has not been strict enough like in other European countries. Like I say damned if you do, dammed if you don’t..... I agree that the unscientific surveys seems to indicate that people want the lockdown to continue. However they don’t seem to understand that many more will die as a result of the lockdown, if they did, they then might change their tune. You mention other European countireis but most seem to have started their relaxations already. If the economy doesn’t recover then there won’t be the taxes to fund any NHS going forward. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 12:39:48 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-model"The government has left open the prospect of ditching its own contact-tracing app in favour of the “decentralised” model favoured by Apple and Google after it was revealed that a feasibility study into such a change is under way. After repeated warnings that the UK will be an outlier if it insists on using its own centralised app rather than relying on Google and Apple’s technology, rights groups and MPs said on Thursday that the lack of privacy and data protections could mean that the app would be illegal. With growing questions over that approach, it emerged that the Swiss-based consultancy Zühlke Engineering has been hired to undertake a two-week “technical spike” to investigate implementing Apple and Google’s system “within the existing proximity mobile application and platform”. Zühlke has already been working on the contact-tracing app since March, documents published this week show, but a new outsourcing contract, first reported by the Financial Times and uncovered by public sector analysts Tussell, shows that the government is now seriously considering changing how the application works to overcome problems with its initial approach." After one source told the Guardian that Downing Street was now sceptical of decisions made in the health service to create a separate app, No 10 sources played down the idea of any division." concerns were raised at the time ignored and now we face a u turn and how much money was wasted on the app we might not use.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 12:45:26 GMT 1
So let me get this right? The NHS say they want there own App, and the Government support it despite reservations, now it shows that it’s got issues, the Government will take the heat for it, and to be fair, will accept it
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 12:48:04 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8298253/How-remdesivir-cost-Experts-say-10-Gileads-antiviral.html!Gilead has not revealed how much its antiviral drug, remdesivir, which is approved by the FDA to treat coronavirus, will cost The California-based company drew intense public scrutiny when it priced its hepatitis C treatment at $1,000 per pill in 2013 A report estimated that it costs $9.32 to manufacture one 10-day course of remdesivir treatment The cost watchdog said that, if the drug is proven to save lives, Gilead could charge up to $4,500 per treatment But consumer advocates say anything more than $10 does not constitute fair pricing during a pandemic" if this is true then somthing should be done to stop that level of profitering .
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 12:59:37 GMT 1
I've tried a few times. Each time the home kit option has been disabled. We also tried the drive in centre option. The nearest one was Workington. A 200+ miles round trip. When you are feeling absolutely lousy trying to fight this thing you can do without trying to jump through hoops. Very frustrating to be honest. I know you're not feeling at all good, but perhaps a phone call to the media explaining your problem might get it highlighted, which in turn might get something done for you. I'm not one to make a fuss to be honest. Everyone is just pleased that I'm slowly on the mend after what has been 7 days. There have been many many who have had this far worse than me and sadly the UK death toll continues to rise as I type this. What I do hope is that sooner, rather than later we do have a large and effective antibody testing programme in this country that is managed properly for once by this government. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 13:21:38 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/mixed-messages-uk-governments-strategy-fuels-fears-of-rule-breakingMixed messages': UK government's strategy fuels fears of rule-breaking. I like these comments by Alistair Campbell: “They just don’t think things through. I’m afraid I think it’s all of a pattern. The reason all this matters is that at some stage they are going to have to reset their strategy in a pretty big way and how they communicate with the public... they’re not going to be able to do that until they admit they have made a lot of mistakes.” “All they need to do is say these are the facts, these are the problems and this is how we will deal with them. They’ve turned everything into: ‘We’re right, everybody’s wrong, aren’t we doing well?" But they have been saying these are facts.... since day one, and media are doing best to discredit, undermine and just saying they are liars, this week prime example, measures will be announced on Sunday about lifting lockdown, but it won’t be straight lift, it will be slow and gradual. What is wrong with that, now it’s being dissected word for word, and if you saw the headlines yesterday, it would seem we are going from lockdown to street parties in 12 hour period.... that has never been said |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 13:24:47 GMT 1
Get well soon Gwynnedblue. I think your case really does show that no matter how careful you are in following all the self isolating rules it is still possible to catch the virus. My lifestyle at the moment is exactly the same as yours and if I caught the virus I would be driving myself mad thinking how I had got it. After my daily walks I am now washing my hands but wouldnt have thought about doing that previously. I am fuming at the moment because my neighbours are sitting very close together in the garden chatting away happily. He returned home yesterday on a repatriation flight from Saudi after working out there for six months. A case for a couple of weeks of social distancing from one another if ever there was one. They will probably get away with it but you go on a walk and touch a gate and you are not so lucky. Thank you. We have a local community what's app group and everyone is surprised how I, of all people have managed to get it. One lapse is all it takes and perhaps living out in the country can after a while make you become even so slightly complacent? I was thinking when I read your post that sometimes my daily walk does take me along a stretch of the Shropshire union canal and that I did have to pass one or two groups of people the other week who didn't want to give me much room along a narrow part of the tow path. Perhaps it was then I picked it up? Who knows? All I can do is second guess. |
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Post by davycrockett on May 8, 2020 13:33:16 GMT 1
Get well soon Gwynnedblue. I think your case really does show that no matter how careful you are in following all the self isolating rules it is still possible to catch the virus. My lifestyle at the moment is exactly the same as yours and if I caught the virus I would be driving myself mad thinking how I had got it. After my daily walks I am now washing my hands but wouldnt have thought about doing that previously. I am fuming at the moment because my neighbours are sitting very close together in the garden chatting away happily. He returned home yesterday on a repatriation flight from Saudi after working out there for six months. A case for a couple of weeks of social distancing from one another if ever there was one. They will probably get away with it but you go on a walk and touch a gate and you are not so lucky. Unfortunately the government still haven’t bought in tests / restrictions on passengers arriving from anywhere. They made enough fuss about quarantining a few flight from China early on but then let 100,000’s arrive without any checks in place |
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Post by davycrockett on May 8, 2020 13:41:32 GMT 1
Gwynnedblue has been seriously unlucky. We're getting these stats from the Government saying that coronavirus isn't as potent outdoors. But clearly, it's still more than capable of infecting you! No disrespect to Gwynnedblue but can’t be sure it’s Covid without a test.... also the severity of the virus seems to be affected by how much exposure. With no cough and mild (compared with many others) symptoms seems you can get different levels of the virus... |
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