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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 11, 2020 13:47:06 GMT 1
Small shops are already open. Excellent. I'll pop out to the florist and and the hairdressers. |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 13:50:16 GMT 1
Going to be done on geographical data. We will be back in our pubs(Salop, mid Wales etc) before londoners. The Red Lion at Winstanswick could be eligible to be first then. Social distancing was in place BC there. Prepare for coachloads of Londoners to arrive here then. Safe distancing of course! I'm not sure if the peace and quiet of Ellesmere can handle a few coachloads of Millwall supporters! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 13:52:37 GMT 1
Small shops are already open. Excellent. I'll pop out to the florist and and the hairdressers. You didn't actually specify though did you? A good example of misinformation and generalisation. I am able to go to the butcher, the chippy and my local newsagent. I don't go to the latter two as what they sell aren't essential to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 14:02:50 GMT 1
Small shops are already open. Though some of the medium ones are closing, the Heron foods I went to earlier is closing today, I suppose people have got used to queuing at Morrisons or getting stuff delivered. Personally, I use the smaller shops, because I can ring and get the order in and pick it up at a prearranged time. I use Sainsbury local, which I guess is classed as a medium shop and is rarely busy, particularly at certain times. I suppose, building up the personal links over the years in my community as helped with knowing the local shop owners. It also helps when getting food for the vulnerable people I help out. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 14:05:23 GMT 1
You know, at this time of day on a Saturday my thoughts turn to football. I would like Radio Shropshire to introduce and then run the whole match from a previous season. I was thinking of the matches from the Hurst season, but knowing what happened at the end it might be too painful. It's a shame the BBC won't have any classic matches from the Alf Wood era, or maybe a season we achieved promotion. Many new fans, or older ones who don't remember could refrain from looking up the results and be surprised.
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Post by salop999 on Apr 11, 2020 14:09:47 GMT 1
Sweden down to 17 deaths today.
It's quite surreal reading what you lot are all going through whereas I can do pretty much as I please.
Social distancing going well here. You can feel everyone is clearly trying to keep their distance at all times.
Schools still open, but Colleges and Universities are all closed.
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 14:51:16 GMT 1
Sweden down to 17 deaths today. It's quite surreal reading what you lot are all going through whereas I can do pretty much as I please. Social distancing going well here. You can feel everyone is clearly trying to keep their distance at all times. Schools still open, but Colleges and Universities are all closed. I would guess, a country twice the size in area and 1/6 the population would fair better with such a problem |
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Post by salop999 on Apr 11, 2020 15:00:38 GMT 1
Sweden down to 17 deaths today. It's quite surreal reading what you lot are all going through whereas I can do pretty much as I please. Social distancing going well here. You can feel everyone is clearly trying to keep their distance at all times. Schools still open, but Colleges and Universities are all closed. I would guess, a country twice the size in area and 1/6 the population would fair better with such a problem Completely agree, I think that's why we've gone with the original UK idea of herd mentality. |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 15:14:50 GMT 1
Sweden down to 17 deaths today. It's quite surreal reading what you lot are all going through whereas I can do pretty much as I please. Social distancing going well here. You can feel everyone is clearly trying to keep their distance at all times. Schools still open, but Colleges and Universities are all closed. I would guess, a country twice the size in area and 1/6 the population would fair better with such a problem Germany. Population 83,783,942. Area in square miles - 137,988. Confirmed cases 122,530. Deaths 2,736. U.K. Population 67,886,011. Area in square miles - 93,627. Confirmed cases 78,991. Deaths 9,875. (plus about another 1,000 in nursing homes). Explanation for the discrepancy in figures please! We are approx. 3/4 of the size of Germany population wise and about 2/3 the size. |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 16:40:53 GMT 1
I would guess, a country twice the size in area and 1/6 the population would fair better with such a problem Explanation for the discrepancy in figures please! |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 18:01:07 GMT 1
So, if you test more, including some who are just seeing it out at home then you get more cases and what looks like a lower death rate.
If you only test those so ill they need hospital admission, like we do, then you get a lower confirmed case number and, since they are the serious cases, what looks like a higher death rate.
Germany. Confirmed cases 122,530. Deaths 2,736.
U.K. Confirmed cases 78,991. Deaths 9,875. (plus about another 1,000 in nursing homes).
To have a similar percentage death rate we would have had to have had around 1 miiion cases, but as we don't test everybody we will ever know.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 11, 2020 18:13:55 GMT 1
So, if you test more, including some are just seeing it out at home then you get more cases and whatg looks like az lower death rate. If you only test those so ill the need hospital admission, like we do,then you get a lower confirmed cases number and, since they are the serious cases, what looks like a higher death rate. Germany. Confirmed cases 122,530. Deaths 2,736. U.K. Confirmed cases 78,991. Deaths 9,875. (plus about another 1,000 in nursing homes). A grim coincidence that the UK reported deaths toll today matches exactly the seated capacity of the Meadow. Easier but horrible to visualise the numbers of UK dead matching our sold out stadium. |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 18:41:52 GMT 1
So, if you test more, including some are just seeing it out at home then you get more cases and whatg looks like az lower death rate. If you only test those so ill the need hospital admission, like we do,then you get a lower confirmed cases number and, since they are the serious cases, what looks like a higher death rate. Germany. Confirmed cases 122,530. Deaths 2,736. U.K. Confirmed cases 78,991. Deaths 9,875. (plus about another 1,000 in nursing homes). A grim coincidence that the UK reported deaths toll today matches exactly the seated capacity of the Meadow. Easier but horrible to visualise the numbers of UK dead matching our sold out stadium. when this is all over, no doubt some of those gone will be regular town fans, I'm still convinced I will end up on that list sooner or later |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 18:48:29 GMT 1
A grim coincidence that the UK reported deaths toll today matches exactly the seated capacity of the Meadow. Easier but horrible to visualise the numbers of UK dead matching our sold out stadium. when this is all over, no doubt some of those gone will be regular town fans, I'm still convinced I will end up on that list sooner or later About 60 years later, shot dead by the husband of the lady you are in bed with. |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 18:55:45 GMT 1
when this is all over, no doubt some of those gone will be regular town fans, I'm still convinced I will end up on that list sooner or later About 60 years later, shot dead by the husband of the lady you are in bed with. no, they moved  |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 19:04:45 GMT 1
'The biggest unanswered question, though, was the one that has been left hanging over every press conference. Why is Germany handling the crisis so much better than us? Some projections suggest the German death rate from the coronavirus will be about 10% of ours. What’s their secret? Raab, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance all just shrugged their shoulders. They had no idea. Or none fit for public consumption'.
John Crace - The Guardian.
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 19:58:25 GMT 1
'The biggest unanswered question, though, was the one that has been left hanging over every press conference. Why is Germany handling the crisis so much better than us? Some projections suggest the German death rate from the coronavirus will be about 10% of ours. What’s their secret? Raab, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance all just shrugged their shoulders. They had no idea. Or none fit for public consumption'. John Crace - The Guardian. just a guess but Chinese overseas population uk 466k germany 212k how many travelled recently ? |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 20:23:34 GMT 1
'The biggest unanswered question, though, was the one that has been left hanging over every press conference. Why is Germany handling the crisis so much better than us? Some projections suggest the German death rate from the coronavirus will be about 10% of ours. What’s their secret? Raab, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance all just shrugged their shoulders. They had no idea. Or none fit for public consumption'. John Crace - The Guardian. just a guess but Chinese overseas population uk 466k germany 212k how many travelled recently ? overseas populations:- China 50 million. Germany 10 million. U.K. 5.5 million. Wiki. No idea how many travelled recently. Too many of our lot came back from Italy and weren't adequately traced though. |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 11, 2020 20:42:41 GMT 1
just a guess but Chinese overseas population uk 466k germany 212k how many travelled recently ? overseas populations:- China 50 million. Germany 10 million. U.K. 5.5 million. Wiki. No idea how many travelled recently. Too many of our lot came back from Italy and weren't adequately traced though. my point was the uk has more than double Chinese people living here, compared to Germany Chinese new year was 25th jan again im guessing a lot of travelling to and from china around that time more so to the uk than to germany ps im not a doctor scientist or daily fail reader either im a little witty though ;-) |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 20:51:43 GMT 1
overseas populations:- China 50 million. Germany 10 million. U.K. 5.5 million. Wiki. No idea how many travelled recently. Too many of our lot came back from Italy and weren't adequately traced though. my point was the uk has more than double Chinese people living here, compared to Germany Chinese new year was 25th jan again im guessing a lot of travelling to and from china around that time more so to the uk than to germany ps im not a doctor scientist or daily fail reader either im a little witty though ;-) If you remember those maps of the UK showing the locations of the 1st few coronavirus cases identified in the UK, a very high % had returned from Italy. Whereas some of those coming back from China were at least taken by coaches to that isolation centre on the Wirral by coach drivers wearing no protective gear whatsoever. |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 11, 2020 20:51:48 GMT 1
Some indication of the size of the iceberg that is the number of deaths outside of hospital link |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 23:34:28 GMT 1
Going to be done on geographical data. We will be back in our pubs(Salop, mid Wales etc) before londoners. I've got it the other way around, we're yet to see it around us, probably a week behind London I reckon. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2020 10:20:13 GMT 1
english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptomsthere have been reports speculating about people been non-symptomatic; this evidence clearly confirms this and yet again highlight that the uk goverment got it Badly wrong in not rolling out mass testing as per WHO guidlines. english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms"While Iceland has only 218 confirmed cases among its tiny population, its testing program has produced crucial data about the coronavirus - that half of those who were tested positive have no coronavirus symptoms. This confirms multiple pieces of scientific research that have shown that coronavirus is spread more through people with the virus who show no sign of being sick. Researchers from The University of Texas at Austin had found out that more than 10 percent of patients were infected by somebody who has the virus but does not yet have symptoms. “Early results from deCode Genetics indicate that a low proportion of the general population has contracted the virus and that about half of those who tested positive are non-symptomatic,” Thorolfur Guðnason, Iceland’s chief epidemiologist, was quoted as saying BuzzFeed News. “The other half displays very moderate cold-like symptoms.” Iceland's high-volume testing also involves genetic sequencing of the different samples of the virus, which helps researchers to investigate the various mutations of the virus. "Icelandic scientists say testing has already revealed that there are at least 40 mutations of coronavirus in Iceland, and the virus might develop to become more contagious, but less dangerous. These variants can also act as the fingerprints of the virus to trace its origin. Seven of the infected people were traced to an undisclosed football match in England, the team said."
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Post by northwestman on Apr 12, 2020 10:40:45 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/one-in-three-uk-surgeons-lacks-enough-protective-kit-survey-findsSurgeons treating Covid-19 patients have a “terrifying” lack of personal protective equipment that is risking lives, the profession’s leaders warn today. Almost a third (32.5%) of UK surgeons say they do not have access to enough masks, gowns and other clothing to keep them safe, a new survey reveals. The widespread lack of PPE for frontline staff is “a disgrace”, according to the Royal College of Surgeons of England, which collated the views of 1,978 surgeons and surgical trainees. “There are often young doctors and nurses, many with kids at home, putting themselves in challenging situations without proper PPE. It’s not acceptable, morally or ethically, that people should put their lives at risk to do their job unless they have adequate PPE,” Sue Hill, the college’s vice-president, told the Observer. The findings come amid a growing row after health secretary Matt Hancock sparked controversy by urging NHS staff not to use any more PPE than is clinically justified. The Royal College of Nursing and British Medical Association criticised his remarks. Hill was responding to the college’s survey, which also found: Up to 70% of surgeons in some parts of the UK have seen shortages of PPE in their hospital in the last month; Across the UK 41% of surgeons believe there is enough PPE where they work, but 39% of those in Scotland and 36% in the north-west of England report a shortage; Half of surgeons doubt they will be able to get a test to tell them if they have Covid-19. Hill, a vascular surgeon in Wales, said Hancock’s pledge that millions of pieces of PPE are on order mean little to NHS staff, given the heavy usage Covid-19 involves. “When I’m operating I put on a hat, visor, proper ventilating mask, two pairs of gloves and a full-length surgical gown – six pieces of PPE. So does my assistant, two scrub nurses and two anaesthetists. That’s 36 pieces of PPE for just one operation.” One surgeon said the lack of masks was scandalous. They and their colleagues were “spoken to” by hospital managers for wearing masks and gloves when visiting patients on wards, even though one coronavirus carrier infected at least six members of staff. Another said: “We’ve been sent to war but with no protective armour.” Overall, 72% of surgeons believe the UK will not be able to end the three week-long lockdown until the general public can get tested for Covid-19.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 12, 2020 10:47:31 GMT 1
Sir Jeremy Farrar, the director of the Wellcome Trust, said it was possible the UK could end up with the worst coronavirus death rate in Europe.
Sir Farrer, who is a member of the Sage committee, which advises the government on the pandemic, said on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show:
The numbers in the UK have continued to go up. I do hope we’re coming close to the number of new infections reducing … and the number of deaths plateauing and starting to come down.
And yes, the UK is likely to be certainly one of the worst, if not the worst affected country in Europe.
He said continuing testing in the community would “buy you time” to deal with the crisis, giving an additional six to eight weeks to ensure health systems were up to capacity.
Future waves of coronavirus are “probably inevitable” without a vaccine in place, said Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust.
“It is my view that treatment and vaccines are our only true exit strategy from this,” he told the BBC.
We are determined that we don’t go through this ever again and I think the chances of second and third waves of this epidemic are probably inevitable.
And therefore having the right treatments to save lives and also having a vaccine in the future is going to be absolutely critical to prevent those second and third waves.
On the prospect of a vaccine, he added: “The vaccine I think will be available during the autumn of this year but that will not be at the scale required to vaccinate maybe billions of people around the world.”
The Guardian.
What's the betting that the Germans have already placed orders for the vaccine, whoever develops it!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2020 11:04:19 GMT 1
withhttps://news.sky.com/topic/covid-19-8518
"Nurses should refuse to treat coronavirus patients "as a last resort" if they are not given adequate personal protective equipment (PPE), according to new guidance.
The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) issued the advice to its members in a bid to prevent more frontline deaths, following criticism of the government about the supply of protective gear for NHS staff caring for people covid-19 "
14% of the uk's population are from ethnic minoritys ,yet a third of patients are from ethnic minoritys seem to be more at risk of sever symptoms. a large number of NHS staff are from ethnic minoritys.
The goverment have used front line staff as cannon fodder, so it is hardly a suprise after so many empty promises that nurses are starting to have enough.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Apr 12, 2020 11:46:04 GMT 1
And how come our Home Secretary, Priti Patel, hasn't been seen anywhere near the podium, when there are a number of questions to be asked about the role of the police in this lock down, especially with the Easter Weekend coming up? |
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Post by RBA on Apr 12, 2020 11:51:18 GMT 1
'The biggest unanswered question, though, was the one that has been left hanging over every press conference. Why is Germany handling the crisis so much better than us? Some projections suggest the German death rate from the coronavirus will be about 10% of ours. What’s their secret? Raab, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance all just shrugged their shoulders. They had no idea. Or none fit for public consumption'. John Crace - The Guardian. OR Even more to the point why is Germany handling the crises better than almost any other European country My guess is its partly testing partly to do with density of population partly top do with having a perhaps More disciplined population I doubt there is just one reason I also have read the problems were worse in Italy and Sapin because there is more inter generational mixing than in some countries |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2020 14:25:33 GMT 1
Boris Johnson is out of hospital and has gone to Chequers , i am glad that he is on the way to recovery i hope he is prudent and does not overdue things .
as with any family going through this it must have been a very worrying time for his wife and family.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 12, 2020 14:42:24 GMT 1
'The biggest unanswered question, though, was the one that has been left hanging over every press conference. Why is Germany handling the crisis so much better than us? Some projections suggest the German death rate from the coronavirus will be about 10% of ours. What’s their secret? Raab, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance all just shrugged their shoulders. They had no idea. Or none fit for public consumption'. John Crace - The Guardian. I’m not defending our leaders and the way they’ve managed the outbreak but only history will show the mistakes that have been made both since the outbreak, leading up to the outbreak and more importantly the running down of the NHS historically but.... They keep reporting that Germany don’t list a death as down the the virus if there’s a serious underlying health problem this goes on the death certificate ..... so with an average of 1700 deaths a day normally how many of the 900 odd yesterday would have been counted in Germany compared to here? |
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