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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 9, 2020 15:15:39 GMT 1
Have to keep smiling, here's what happened when a Stoke tattooist got a visit from environmental officers after a tip off.
"I just had a call from the Environmental Health and a visit from suits and clip board.
"They said 'we have received a couple of complaints from very worried members of the public that your still open'.
"I replied that 'Yes, that's right we are open'. (He runs a food bank from there too and was preparing parcels)
"They then said 'Oh can you tell me how you're tattooing from the safe two-metre distance?
"I told them 'Yes, of course I use a broom stick with f***ing duck tape at the end of it, not the best tattoos I've done but gets me through these rough times'.
"I then went on and said 'I have a question for you, I've been out of work like most for three weeks and still have not received a f***ing penny from the state after you closed us all down?'.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2020 15:31:23 GMT 1
Germany’s army is donating 60 mobile ventilators free of charge to the UK following a call for help as the NHS scrambles to get hold of enough life-saving equipment as the Covid-19 pandemic intensifies. Speaking to the Guardian, a spokesperson for the German defence ministry confirmed a report in Der Spiegel, according to which the Bundeswehr would send 60 pieces of equipment from its own depot across the Channel as soon as possible. The German ministry said it would not invoice the UK for the ventilators. More than 480 ventilators are understood to have arrived in the UK from overseas since March. They have been bought or donated from China, US, Germany, Sweden and Taiwan. Nice gesture from Germany, but shows up the paucity of funding of the NHS over the years. Germany already has 25,000 ventilators with a further 10,000 on order. We have at most 10,000 and need 18,000 minimum. So we are going round with the begging bowl. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/uk-scrambles-for-foreign-made-ventilators-ahead-of-coronavirus-peak |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 9, 2020 15:51:26 GMT 1
Taiwan started restriction on flights from china on 26th january , after sending doctors from there CDC to china.
they implemented emergency health measuers, ths activation means that all health , emergency services and imigration are on a system were updates are in real time.
all citizens have an app on there phone which can track were they are; this app is only active during the emergency. the app tells the citizens were outbreaks of cornoavirus are by location, they tell citizens were they can obtain masks and hand sanatizer.
all citizens are required to wear a mask,before you can enter a shop / public transport/ you have your temperatuer taken , everrone has hand sanitizer applied to there hands. they also thermal imaging equipment on streets , railway stations and bus station to detect anyone with a temperatuer,
if you have a temperatuer you cant proceed you fill in an online questionair and you get tested for cornoavirus . you are asked who you have been in touch with and they are all traced and tested you are then put in a dedicated taxie on your own and this is funded by the goverment back to your flat. you are then in self isolation for 14 days unless the test is negative.on the day they are in self isolation they are then expected to sumbit daily updates on there symptoms to ensure a prompt medical intervention
all hospitals are required to hold a stock of PEP equipment and vital supplies for a minimum of 30 days.
taiwan pput all these measuers in place after sars in 2004. in comparison what did the uk do / are doing
taiwan has a population of nearly 24 million they have had five deaths from coronavirus
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 9, 2020 16:29:42 GMT 1
News just in. The government are relaxing the restrictions for the easter weekend for parks and beaches for certain groups of people. Bell ends, morons, dickheads, numpties and scottish health ministers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 16:51:58 GMT 1
News just in. The government are relaxing the restrictions for the easter weekend for parks and beaches for certain groups of people. Bell ends, morons, dickheads, numpties and scottish health ministers. More news just in . Asda have run out of buckets and spades and inflatables already . Looks like It’s going to be a cracking week-end . |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2020 22:13:09 GMT 1
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 10, 2020 0:24:51 GMT 1
I did tell you last week when you doubting the Far East figures that ours also lie |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 10, 2020 12:31:56 GMT 1
“Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save lives” – a message honed by Isaac Levido, the Tory election campaign chief – has worked. All too well.
Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, had been working with the Prime Minister on the next step: how to stop the end of lockdown being seen as a question of “lives vs money”. As a former economic adviser, Hancock is certainly mindful of the money: a £200 billion deficit could mean another decade of austerity. But other figures – infections, mortality rates and deaths – are rightly holding the national attention. Phasing out the lockdown needs to be spoken about in terms of lives vs lives. Or, crudely, whether lockdown might end up costing more lives than the virus.
Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, has worried about this from the offset. In meetings he often stresses that a pandemic kills people directly, and indirectly. A smaller economy means a poorer society and less money for the NHS – eventually. But right now, he says, there will be parents avoiding the NHS, not vaccinating their children – so old diseases return. People who feel a lump now may not get it checked out. Cancer treatment is curtailed. Therapy is abandoned.
Work is being done to add it all up and produce a figure for “avoidable deaths” that could, in the long-term, be caused by lockdown. I’m told the early attempts have produced a figure of 150,000, far greater than those expected to die of Covid.
This is, of course, a model – just like the model for Covid deaths produced by Imperial College. But estimates of lockdown victims are being shared among those in government who worry about the social damage now underway: the domestic violence, the depression, even suicides accompanying the mass bankruptcies. But these are deaths that may, or may not, show up in national figures in a year’s time. It’s hard to weigh them up against a virus whose victims are being counted every day.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 10, 2020 12:48:04 GMT 1
There are conceptually speaking only four ways the coronavirus crisis can truly end. Either the disease becomes extinct (we wipe it out), or it becomes impossible to catch it (e.g because of a vaccine), or almost everyone who's going to catch it already did (herd immunity), or people can still catch it but we can treat it (therapies). An exit strategy specifies which one or more of these the government targets, and at what points it plans to give up on one target and switch to another.
These different strategies would be executed over very different timescales with profoundly different implications for human freedom and welfare in the meantime, as well as for economic prosperity, and involve accepting very different levels of death. We need to know which the government intends to try. And if we do not like the plan, we need to be able to debate it.
This is not a “leave it to the experts” question. The different plans above raise huge ethical, economic and practical issues. Do we believe it feasible to exterminate or contain the disease domestically without huge infringements of personal liberty and international movement for an indefinite time into the future?
Do we believe it economically feasible to tolerate contractions of GDP that the OECD now estimates might exceed 25 per cent for the UK for 18 months and more – and only on the off chance that a viable vaccine is the result? Do we believe it ethically tolerable to permit 125,000 or 250,000 people to die whilst achieving herd immunity? All of society must have a say in debating these matters.
So whilst it is by no means urgent for the Government to announce an end to the current lockdown, it is desperately urgent for the it to spell out an exit strategy from the crisis as a whole. With no strategy there is no hope and no basis for people to plan their personal or economic lives. With no hope, people will rapidly lose the will and the economic means to continue to comply with the lockdown. Give us hope. We need to believe there is a way this can end.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2020 13:58:57 GMT 1
i tend to try and watch a range of media outlets to try and get a balanced viewpoint , i was watching CGTN a chinese english language network. whilst clearly a pro chines network not suprising when it is" also referred to ( as a mouthpiece of Chinese government")
they are now in the process of trying to develop a vacing against the cornoavirus there are now in phase2 with 500 volunteers bben infected and looking at immune responces to detect the protecting effect as they are tracked over an intial 6 months. if they do get that then it is will be a phase 3 to look if they can develop a clinical trial.
they goverment secured food supplys for a year and kept prices stable apart from pork
they looked at how industry had adapted during lockdown to change there products to medical supplys, the factories are no back into normal production and there business analyist expected china to be ready to lead a golbal recovery.
the companies were also looking at ways to insulate themselves gainst any future pandemics
whilst i apreciate this is a pro chinese news programe, images of people in parks, shops, foot shopping and resteraunts just enjoying themselves( everyone is wearing a mask) , is clearly an image the chinese goverment wont to project
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 10, 2020 15:15:04 GMT 1
Germany’s army is donating 60 mobile ventilators free of charge to the UK following a call for help as the NHS scrambles to get hold of enough life-saving equipment as the Covid-19 pandemic intensifies. Speaking to the Guardian, a spokesperson for the German defence ministry confirmed a report in Der Spiegel, according to which the Bundeswehr would send 60 pieces of equipment from its own depot across the Channel as soon as possible. The German ministry said it would not invoice the UK for the ventilators. More than 480 ventilators are understood to have arrived in the UK from overseas since March. They have been bought or donated from China, US, Germany, Sweden and Taiwan. Nice gesture from Germany, but shows up the paucity of funding of the NHS over the years. Germany already has 25,000 ventilators with a further 10,000 on order. We have at most 10,000 and need 18,000 minimum. So we are going round with the begging bowl. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/uk-scrambles-for-foreign-made-ventilators-ahead-of-coronavirus-peakTalking of Germany where’s Stuttgartshrew? Last posted 18th March according to ‘most recent posts’ |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 10, 2020 15:48:46 GMT 1
Germany’s army is donating 60 mobile ventilators free of charge to the UK following a call for help as the NHS scrambles to get hold of enough life-saving equipment as the Covid-19 pandemic intensifies. Speaking to the Guardian, a spokesperson for the German defence ministry confirmed a report in Der Spiegel, according to which the Bundeswehr would send 60 pieces of equipment from its own depot across the Channel as soon as possible. The German ministry said it would not invoice the UK for the ventilators. More than 480 ventilators are understood to have arrived in the UK from overseas since March. They have been bought or donated from China, US, Germany, Sweden and Taiwan. Nice gesture from Germany, but shows up the paucity of funding of the NHS over the years. Germany already has 25,000 ventilators with a further 10,000 on order. We have at most 10,000 and need 18,000 minimum. So we are going round with the begging bowl. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/uk-scrambles-for-foreign-made-ventilators-ahead-of-coronavirus-peakTalking of Germany where’s Stuttgartshrew? Last posted 18th March according to ‘most recent posts’ hopefully its a case that he posted on here from work and now doesn't attend work I've requested him a friend on facebook , obviously he may not see that if his issues are still the same |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2020 17:58:02 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52233618?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/localnews/2644016-Llangrannog/0&link_location=live-reporting-story"A police and crime commissioner said forces will move to an "enforcement phase" rather than issuing advice.A Welsh chief constable said some visitors were travelling along B-roads at night to evade police. National parks have simply warned: "We're closed." "1,300 vehicles pulled over by Dyfed Powys Police " "We are still seeing people travelling in to Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion from as far afield as English counties," said Chief Constable Mark Collins." "Gwent Police is deploying additional officers this weekend, according to Chief Constable Pam Kelly. She said despite an encouraging drop in the number of vehicles on the roads, the proportion of unnecessary journeys was still high. "We are seeing almost 50% of the the people we are stopping are still taking journeys that are unnecessary," she said." still a minority who dont care about anyones health; i have friends in Wales and they have told me of people trying to go down B roads at night to try and avoid police patrols. i think it is time to give on the spot fines.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 10, 2020 18:15:26 GMT 1
I really hope this is right! The UK's lockdown appears to be blocking the spread of the coronavirus so well that it could drive the outbreak to an early end, scientists say. Researchers earlier this month estimated that each infected patient may now only be passing COVID-19 on to 0.62 others, on average, down from 2.6 each before people were forced to stay at home. A virus must have a reproduction number - known to scientists as an R0 (R-nought) - of more than one for an outbreak to be able to carry on. If it's prevented from spreading on at least a one-to-one ratio it will quickly run out of new victims and the epidemic will come to an end if the R0 can be kept down. Scientists at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said the virus may now be struggling to spread because people have around 73 per cent fewer daily contacts than they did before the lockdown started. One medicine professor and cancer doctor said this meant 'the virus is cornered - it has nowhere to go and will burn out'. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207801/There-three-things-need-lockdown-dont-them.html |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 18:36:26 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52233618?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/localnews/2644016-Llangrannog/0&link_location=live-reporting-story"A police and crime commissioner said forces will move to an "enforcement phase" rather than issuing advice.A Welsh chief constable said some visitors were travelling along B-roads at night to evade police. National parks have simply warned: "We're closed." "1,300 vehicles pulled over by Dyfed Powys Police " "We are still seeing people travelling in to Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion from as far afield as English counties," said Chief Constable Mark Collins." "Gwent Police is deploying additional officers this weekend, according to Chief Constable Pam Kelly. She said despite an encouraging drop in the number of vehicles on the roads, the proportion of unnecessary journeys was still high. "We are seeing almost 50% of the the people we are stopping are still taking journeys that are unnecessary," she said." still a minority who dont care about anyones health; i have friends in Wales and they have told me of people trying to go down B roads at night to try and avoid police patrols. i think it is time to give on the spot fines. it's certainly true about people travelling in the early hours to avoid detection. There are no overnight police patrols in rural Wales. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 10, 2020 19:48:14 GMT 1
Let's all go to Herefordshire, travelling there has government backing. I expect those who have a van somewhere like Lower Lacon, near Wem will be pff there too.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 10, 2020 19:52:00 GMT 1
I really hope this is right! The UK's lockdown appears to be blocking the spread of the coronavirus so well that it could drive the outbreak to an early end, scientists say. Researchers earlier this month estimated that each infected patient may now only be passing COVID-19 on to 0.62 others, on average, down from 2.6 each before people were forced to stay at home. A virus must have a reproduction number - known to scientists as an R0 (R-nought) - of more than one for an outbreak to be able to carry on. If it's prevented from spreading on at least a one-to-one ratio it will quickly run out of new victims and the epidemic will come to an end if the R0 can be kept down. Scientists at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said the virus may now be struggling to spread because people have around 73 per cent fewer daily contacts than they did before the lockdown started. One medicine professor and cancer doctor said this meant 'the virus is cornered - it has nowhere to go and will burn out'. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207801/There-three-things-need-lockdown-dont-them.htmlI don't want to do anything on your chips, but what if the virus mutates to C-20, like the flu does every season? What became of Covid 1-18 anyway? |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 10, 2020 23:26:05 GMT 1
I really hope this is right! The UK's lockdown appears to be blocking the spread of the coronavirus so well that it could drive the outbreak to an early end, scientists say. Researchers earlier this month estimated that each infected patient may now only be passing COVID-19 on to 0.62 others, on average, down from 2.6 each before people were forced to stay at home. A virus must have a reproduction number - known to scientists as an R0 (R-nought) - of more than one for an outbreak to be able to carry on. If it's prevented from spreading on at least a one-to-one ratio it will quickly run out of new victims and the epidemic will come to an end if the R0 can be kept down. Scientists at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said the virus may now be struggling to spread because people have around 73 per cent fewer daily contacts than they did before the lockdown started. One medicine professor and cancer doctor said this meant 'the virus is cornered - it has nowhere to go and will burn out'. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207801/There-three-things-need-lockdown-dont-them.htmleven if the number is .62 taking the current figure of 1.2m cases worldwide that would mean another 2m still to be infected trouble is the unconfirmed cases is likely to be a whole lot higher |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 10, 2020 23:41:37 GMT 1
563 deaths in UK just reported for yesterday. I doubt we’ll hear about green shoots in today’s conference. Great pressure now on the Govt about shortage of tests and PPE. Deaths doubling just over every three days. This has been fairly consistent. Due to break 10,000 mark in a week's time at current rates and there seems little that can prevent that. People losing it slightily on twitter that on the basis of one days tally we're diverting from Italy. But we know that a proportion of the people in that 563 are not going to represent the current situation ebcause they will have died some days ago. We are moving in step with Italy. That is bad enough. This is exponential growth for you. Then there is a possibility of a discontinuity potentially caused by the NHS having to put a larger number of cases into the palliative care " do not resusitate" category if the shortage of ventilators hits home, as I think it has now in London. Did people see the letter to patients with pre-existing conditions from their GP in Bridgend? Deaths now doubling at a much slower rate. Clearly the data is only hospital deaths, but that has been the case all the way through. So, despite the large absolute numbers things are getting worse at a slower rate. In the next seven days I think this will become even more apparent and things will be getting worse at an even slower rate. |
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Post by ( you know who from b&a ) on Apr 10, 2020 23:52:26 GMT 1
Deaths doubling just over every three days. This has been fairly consistent. Due to break 10,000 mark in a week's time at current rates and there seems little that can prevent that. People losing it slightily on twitter that on the basis of one days tally we're diverting from Italy. But we know that a proportion of the people in that 563 are not going to represent the current situation ebcause they will have died some days ago. We are moving in step with Italy. That is bad enough. This is exponential growth for you. Then there is a possibility of a discontinuity potentially caused by the NHS having to put a larger number of cases into the palliative care " do not resusitate" category if the shortage of ventilators hits home, as I think it has now in London. Did people see the letter to patients with pre-existing conditions from their GP in Bridgend? Deaths now doubling at a much slower rate. Clearly the data is only hospital deaths, but that has been the case all the way through. So, despite the large absolute numbers things are getting worse at a slower rate. In the next seven days I think this will become even more apparent and things will be getting worse at an even slower rate. next week or so all the house party and bbq victims will be staggering forward |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 9:24:08 GMT 1
Some nasty rumours going round that even when we come out of lockdown, sports venues will not be allowed to operate with crowds for anything up to 18 months.
That's football completely trashed then, along with most other sports.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 11, 2020 9:53:12 GMT 1
Some nasty rumours going round that even when we come out of lockdown, sports venues will not be allowed to operate with crowds for anything up to 18 months. That's football completely trashed then, along with most other sports. Wouldn't take too much notice of rumours, owd lad. I expect there'll be another Juan soon, saying pubs can re-open, but no members of the public will be allowed in. I took the dog up the fields this morning, and started enjoying listening to Elton John's music. I think I'm going stir crazy. I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues. |
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2020 10:03:53 GMT 1
Some nasty rumours going round that even when we come out of lockdown, sports venues will not be allowed to operate with crowds for anything up to 18 months. That's football completely trashed then, along with most other sports. Wouldn't take too much notice of rumours, owd lad. I expect there'll be another Juan soon, saying pubs can re-open, but no members of the public will be allowed in. I took the dog up the fields this morning, and started enjoying listening to Elton John's music. I think I'm going stir crazy. I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues. Actually, there IS a rumour that pubs will be allowed to re-open, but will only be allowed to let in so many customers. If so, my seismic knowledge gleaned over 50 years of the location of many semi deserted pubs throughout the UK buried in the heart of the countryside should stand me in good stead. Perhaps the more entrepreneurial of them could issue season tickets for a couple of hours a day, to be immediately revoked if you don't get a stamp on your card showing you've attended. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 11, 2020 10:09:45 GMT 1
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 11, 2020 10:26:35 GMT 1
Wouldn't take too much notice of rumours, owd lad. I expect there'll be another Juan soon, saying pubs can re-open, but no members of the public will be allowed in. I took the dog up the fields this morning, and started enjoying listening to Elton John's music. I think I'm going stir crazy. I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues. Actually, there IS a rumour that pubs will be allowed to re-open, but will only be allowed to let in so many customers. If so, my seismic knowledge gleaned over 50 years of the location of many semi deserted pubs throughout the UK buried in the heart of the countryside should stand me in good stead. Perhaps the more entrepreneurial of them could issue season tickets for a couple of hours a day, to be immediately revoked if you don't get a stamp on your card showing you've attended. An alleged expert said the economy can only stand so much of this lockdown. He predicts schools and small shops will re-open towards the end of April, and pubs and clubs by mid May. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 13:23:40 GMT 1
Actually, there IS a rumour that pubs will be allowed to re-open, but will only be allowed to let in so many customers. If so, my seismic knowledge gleaned over 50 years of the location of many semi deserted pubs throughout the UK buried in the heart of the countryside should stand me in good stead. Perhaps the more entrepreneurial of them could issue season tickets for a couple of hours a day, to be immediately revoked if you don't get a stamp on your card showing you've attended. An alleged expert said the economy can only stand so much of this lockdown. He predicts schools and small shops will re-open towards the end of April, and pubs and clubs by mid May. Some say that Germany is handling the crisis better. Whatever, the fact is that whoever manages this right will have a big economic advantage if they come out of lockdown early, the trick is, not too early. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 13:25:20 GMT 1
Small shops are already open.
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Post by salop27 on Apr 11, 2020 13:27:40 GMT 1
Going to be done on geographical data.
We will be back in our pubs(Salop, mid Wales etc) before londoners.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 13:29:16 GMT 1
Small shops are already open. Though some of the medium ones are closing, the Heron foods I went to earlier is closing today, I suppose people have got used to queuing at Morrisons or getting stuff delivered. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2020 13:31:05 GMT 1
Going to be done on geographical data. We will be back in our pubs(Salop, mid Wales etc) before londoners. The Red Lion at Winstanswick could be eligible to be first then. Social distancing was in place BC there. |
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