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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 11:47:38 GMT 1
Absolutely. Makes perfect sense from a public health standpoint and allows the country to get back to normal. Also for any freedom lovers the choice would be up to the venue owner, so no government mandated vaccine only establishments. It just means anywhere that was vaccine only would have no social distancing requirements. I think once everyone's been offered the vaccine I've got no problem with vaccine passports, who would,? When you say vaccine passports, what do you mean? As in passports to leave the country? If so, then I'm ok with that but if you mean domestically to go to events or venues etc., then that is a different matter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 16:37:14 GMT 1
Positive news from Mr Hancock today in terms of data from the Indian variant, well cases are too high but it appears the link between the cases & hospitalisations/deaths has been broken:
12,383 cases 464 went to emergency care 126 admitted to hospital (83 unvaccinated, 28 one jab, 3 both jabs (12 unknown status))
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 7, 2021 17:43:46 GMT 1
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jun 7, 2021 20:47:08 GMT 1
I spent(wasted) a couple of hours watching Hancock taking questions in the H of P this afternoon - the Deputy Speaker ( a Conservative) congratulated him on “responding to 31 questions in just over an hour” - my recollection is he actually answered only 3 !!! I gave up when Williamson (the follow up act ) came on to say how well they were doing helping schoolchildren who had fallen behind !!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 8, 2021 11:24:34 GMT 1
Open to all now here in Germany and looking to how difficult is it to get an appointment, demand is high and people are out there getting their jabs.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 8, 2021 12:58:17 GMT 1
I spent(wasted) a couple of hours watching Hancock taking questions in the H of P this afternoon - the Deputy Speaker ( a Conservative) congratulated him on “responding to 31 questions in just over an hour” - my recollection is he actually answered only 3 !!! I gave up when Williamson (the follow up act ) came on to say how well they were doing helping schoolchildren who had fallen behind !! Don't suppose Hancock mentioned the success of the vaccine rollout?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 8, 2021 13:20:30 GMT 1
I spent(wasted) a couple of hours watching Hancock taking questions in the H of P this afternoon - the Deputy Speaker ( a Conservative) congratulated him on “responding to 31 questions in just over an hour” - my recollection is he actually answered only 3 !!! I gave up when Williamson (the follow up act ) came on to say how well they were doing helping schoolchildren who had fallen behind !! In fairness, much of the fault for that lies with those asking the questions. Many were the most unsubtle of elephant traps that no right thinking person would answer head-on unless they wanted to be strung up by the media.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 15:07:31 GMT 1
There is nothing fair about evading answers to questions. Any politician who actually answered a question would go up in my estimation.
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Post by servernaside on Jun 8, 2021 15:59:00 GMT 1
There is nothing fair about evading answers to questions. Any politician who actually answered a question would go up in my estimation. You might be waiting a while.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 11, 2021 2:38:26 GMT 1
"They're all the same" doesn't meean its OK or that something doesn't need to be done about it.
Hancock lied about not knowing about asymptomati covid infections. Th government as told about this in January 2020 and had it confirmed in February 2020.
"There were no shortages of PPE" contrasts with hospital sewing drapes to make PPE.
He isn't fit for office.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 11, 2021 2:40:50 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 11, 2021 9:09:43 GMT 1
"They're all the same" doesn't meean its OK or that something doesn't need to be done about it. Hancock lied about not knowing about asymptomati covid infections. Th government as told about this in January 2020 and had it confirmed in February 2020. "There were no shortages of PPE" contrasts with hospital sewing drapes to make PPE. He isn't fit for office. “No shortage of PPE” is an outrageous lie. I wrote here over 12 months ago about the experience of hospital doctors on covid wards wearing bin bags and shower caps because PPE was unavailable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 9:21:22 GMT 1
“No shortage of PPE” is an outrageous lie. I wrote here over 12 months ago about the experience of hospital doctors on covid wards wearing bin bags and shower caps because PPE was unavailable. Of course it’s a lie!! Everyone on this board, left or right, knows it’s a lie. Those on the right however will come up with all sorts of long winded rubbish to divert and excuse it. But then isn’t this why they kept telling us last year “oh now isn’t the time to be scrutinising criticising and investigating, we need to stick together”? Hoping of course that we’d all forget and it would all get buried, leaving boris to bask in the glory of leaving the eu 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 11:03:18 GMT 1
"There was never a national shortage of personal protective equipment during the pandemic". That is what he said and therein lies his escape clause. Somewhere in the system there was sufficient and not his fault that it was not distributed effectively. You can see it coming!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 11:50:02 GMT 1
“No shortage of PPE” is an outrageous lie. I wrote here over 12 months ago about the experience of hospital doctors on covid wards wearing bin bags and shower caps because PPE was unavailable. Of course it’s a lie!! Everyone on this board, left or right, knows it’s a lie. Those on the right however will come up with all sorts of long winded rubbish to divert and excuse it. But then isn’t this why they kept telling us last year “oh now isn’t the time to be scrutinising criticising and investigating, we need to stick together”? Hoping of course that we’d all forget and it would all get buried, leaving boris to bask in the glory of leaving the eu 😂 I think you are talking out of you're rather rotund arse there Nursie dear lad.... :-) even on the right, we are aware there was a world wide shortage of the correct type of PPE. There was plenty of inadequate PPE, and plenty of outdated stock, which was a managerial issue, but regardless, it was not fit for purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 14:15:38 GMT 1
I think you are talking out of you're rather rotund arse there Nursie dear lad.... :-) You said my arse was lovely and pert the other day😡😘
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 16:31:38 GMT 1
I think you are talking out of you're rather rotund arse there Nursie dear lad.... :-) You said my arse was lovely and pert the other day😡😘 Only cos it needed a tap
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 11, 2021 21:58:29 GMT 1
If there was no shortage of PPE, why the desperate hurry to offer contracts to his mates?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 11, 2021 22:04:24 GMT 1
If there was no shortage of PPE, why the desperate hurry to offer contracts to his mates? how soon people forget the the word being used the most at one time by the anti gov bashers was "stockpiling"
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 11, 2021 22:18:55 GMT 1
After a wonderful near Covid free day at Edgbaston, how utterly depressing to see that the rumours are coming to pass about the Indian variant forcing a minimum four week delay.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 11, 2021 22:58:07 GMT 1
“What are you so desperate to do by 21st june?” they all said
Sorry it’s 21st July now…
Then it will be 21st august.
Hang on wasn't life meant to be back to normal at Easter? Or when all over 70’s had both jabs?
Absolute shambles that the sizeable gullible minority continue to lap up. Never been so tempted to join a protest, that is surely impending when this delay is confirmed
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 11, 2021 23:35:35 GMT 1
Opening up will need to be delayed not because the R number is significantly above 1 (although it is), or because hospital admissions are escalating (although they are), or that a single dose of vaccine is virtually ineffective against the delta variant (although that is the case). It will need to be delayed because the UK government does not have the first clue about supressing outbreaks because the test and trace system is a fraudulent enterprise.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 11, 2021 23:50:13 GMT 1
Opening up will need to be delayed not because the R number is significantly above 1 (although it is), or because hospital admissions are escalating (although they are), or that a single dose of vaccine is virtually ineffective against the delta variant (although that is the case). It will need to be delayed because the UK government does not have the first clue about supressing outbreaks because the test and trace system is a fraudulent enterprise.
Thank you for that SeanBroseley - a pre-eminent scientist in the epidemiological field.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 11, 2021 23:53:01 GMT 1
Opening up will need to be delayed not because the R number is significantly above 1 (although it is), or because hospital admissions are escalating (although they are), or that a single dose of vaccine is virtually ineffective against the delta variant (although that is the case). It will need to be delayed because the UK government does not have the first clue about supressing outbreaks because the test and trace system is a fraudulent enterprise.
Thank you for that SeanBroseley - a pre-eminent scientist in the epidemiological field. I'm happy for the Inspector to point out any factual inaccuracies on the points about: 1) the current R number, 2) current hospital omissions. 3) the efficacy of a single dose of vaccine. Let's see how he does.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 6:12:39 GMT 1
I'm angry about the delay to opening up but can understand it to an extent in light of the variant & increase in cases (I think that's two of the tests failing). The reason why I'm angry is because anyone who dares to question/challenge it will inevitably be told "its just 4 weeks" (already gone from 2 to 4) but in the same way it was only 3 weeks to flatten the curve, it was only about sacrificing Chrismas, only about sacrificing easter, only a few more weeks until step 3 and so on and so on.
As people have said there will always be a new variant and there will always be a reason not to open up. If this is genuinely about the race to vaccinate people so the vulnerable get their second jabs and in 4 weeks that's its then fine, however as the gov't have moved the goalposts that many times then I'm slightly cynical about that.
Actually the second reason I'm angry about this is it could have been avoided had the gov't learnt lessons from last year and actually put measures in place early enough.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 12, 2021 6:47:10 GMT 1
I'm angry about the delay to opening up but can understand it to an extent in light of the variant & increase in cases (I think that's two of the tests failing). The reason why I'm angry is because anyone who dares to question/challenge it will inevitably be told "its just 4 weeks" (already gone from 2 to 4) but in the same way it was only 3 weeks to flatten the curve, it was only about sacrificing Chrismas, only about sacrificing easter, only a few more weeks until step 3 and so on and so on. As people have said there will always be a new variant and there will always be a reason not to open up. If this is genuinely about the race to vaccinate people so the vulnerable get their second jabs and in 4 weeks that's its then fine, however as the gov't have moved the goalposts that many times then I'm slightly cynical about that. Actually the second reason I'm angry about this is it could have been avoided had the gov't learnt lessons from last year and actually put measures in place early enough. It would also have helped had the government stopped all flights in and out of India weeks ago.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 12, 2021 7:01:47 GMT 1
I'm angry about the delay to opening up but can understand it to an extent in light of the variant & increase in cases (I think that's two of the tests failing). The reason why I'm angry is because anyone who dares to question/challenge it will inevitably be told "its just 4 weeks" (already gone from 2 to 4) but in the same way it was only 3 weeks to flatten the curve, it was only about sacrificing Chrismas, only about sacrificing easter, only a few more weeks until step 3 and so on and so on. As people have said there will always be a new variant and there will always be a reason not to open up. If this is genuinely about the race to vaccinate people so the vulnerable get their second jabs and in 4 weeks that's its then fine, however as the gov't have moved the goalposts that many times then I'm slightly cynical about that. Actually the second reason I'm angry about this is it could have been avoided had the gov't learnt lessons from last year and actually put measures in place early enough. It would also have helped had the government stopped all flights in and out of India weeks ago. Still haven’t heard a satisfactory or believable answer to why this didn’t happen. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/57172793.amp
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Post by northwestman on Jun 12, 2021 8:44:08 GMT 1
The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) is understood to have warned the Government that a third wave of Covid cases could exceed the first wave peak if the June 21 reopening were to go ahead as planned. Well, that's that then. We all know that SAGE are spot on with their modelling, graphs and doom laden predictions. In fact, one member of SAGE, Susan Michie, wants social distancing and wearing face masks to stay forever. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9672347/Social-distancing-stay-FOREVER-says-Communist-supporting-SAGE-Covid-scientist-Susan-Michie.htmlMr Johnson is understood to have decided a delay of up to four weeks – but no longer – is necessary to allow for more people to be double-jabbed before the final restrictions are eased.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 12, 2021 9:18:21 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 9:22:56 GMT 1
The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) is understood to have warned the Government that a third wave of Covid cases could exceed the first wave peak if the June 21 reopening were to go ahead as planned. Well, that's that then. We all know that SAGE are spot on with their modelling, graphs and doom laden predictions. In fact, one member of SAGE, Susan Michie, wants social distancing and wearing face masks to stay forever. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9672347/Social-distancing-stay-FOREVER-says-Communist-supporting-SAGE-Covid-scientist-Susan-Michie.htmlMr Johnson is understood to have decided a delay of up to four weeks – but no longer – is necessary to allow for more people to be double-jabbed before the final restrictions are eased. Does the (claimed) fact that this scientist is a communist have any bearing on the report or her expertise? I for one am glad to see the government taking this seriously at last and putting the good of the nation ahead of the squealing demands of those who want to throw the doors open and can’t possibly wait another minute.
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