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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 2, 2021 20:55:01 GMT 1
Sir John Bell, Govt advisor, said this morning that “if we scamper down a rabbit hole every time we see a new variant, we are going to spend along time huddled away, so we need to keep a bit of balance to the discussion”. This mirrors my feeling, we hear too much of the doommongers and not enough of an alternative viewpoint.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 2, 2021 22:56:14 GMT 1
Figures coming out this week are painting a mixed picture, so do feel for the Government having to make a decision in the next few weeks
Cases clearly rising across the country quite significantly, but so far hospital admissions are not quite going up as quickly as in the past, although there is an obvious time lag between cases and admissions
The Public Health teams in places like Bolton have done a great job too in identifying cases and getting people to isolate which together with increased vaccinations is stopping cases rising rapidly
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Post by salop27 on Jun 2, 2021 23:44:05 GMT 1
Cases are going to be going up as a lot of people are freely mixing now. The vaccine race continues, you'd think that the numbers who have had two jabs must be the key consideration along with numbers admitted to hospital. I know it sounds harsh but if you've refused to be vaccinated and catch coronavirus you should be given medical aid if needed but not allowed to be admitted to hospital.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 3, 2021 8:20:21 GMT 1
Is anyone else facing a travel dilemma with difficult decisions to make?
My son is booked to fly to Rhodes on 26/06 rolled over from last year..Jet to Go say all their flights are leaving from 23/06. Greece is on the amber list so many hurdles to jump through. He’s vaccinated so doesn’t have to have a test to enter but if anyone on the flight tests positive (random testing) the whole flight is quarantined for 2 weeks at the Greek governments expense. He does have to quarantine on return but can opt for a quick release test after 5 days following a test in Greece witching 3 days of return… The cost around £200 for both tests .
Hes going with 6 others and the consensus is we’re going. He’s booked an extra week off work but could be scuppered if there a positive result at Greek airport or on flight when quarantine goes up to 10/14 days…Also if quarantined in Greece would miss pre booked tests and may have to pay for flight home, not clear…
Should he stay or should he go?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 3, 2021 10:53:16 GMT 1
Is anyone else facing a travel dilemma with difficult decisions to make? My son is booked to fly to Rhodes on 26/06 rolled over from last year..Jet to Go say all their flights are leaving from 23/06. Greece is on the amber list so many hurdles to jump through. He’s vaccinated so doesn’t have to have a test to enter but if anyone on the flight tests positive (random testing) the whole flight is quarantined for 2 weeks at the Greek governments expense. He does have to quarantine on return but can opt for a quick release test after 5 days following a test in Greece witching 3 days of return… The cost around £200 for both tests . Hes going with 6 others and the consensus is we’re going. He’s booked an extra week off work but could be scuppered if there a positive result at Greek airport or on flight when quarantine goes up to 10/14 days…Also if quarantined in Greece would miss pre booked tests and may have to pay for flight home, not clear… Should he stay or should he go?
10:00 Speculation over which countries could go on green list
"There is speculation in the travel industry over which countries could be added to England's travel green list when an announcement is made later.
Spanish and Greek islands plus Malta are among the destinations experts believe may be given green status.
Robert Boyle, former director of strategy at British Airways' parent company IAG, predicts a number of summer hotspots will be added to the green tier.
In a blog post he says: "It still seems very likely that whilst Spain and Greece will not make it on to the green list, many of their islands will, due to lower case rates and higher vaccinations than on the mainland."
"Malta, Finland and Slovakia are fairly safe bets, based on high testing rates and low reported cases," he adds.
Paul Charles, chief executive of travel consultancy The PC Agency, expects additions to the green list to include the Greek islands of Zante, Rhodes and Kos, the Caribbean islands of Grenada and Antigua, plus Malta and Finland.
But he says he would be "surprised" if Spain's Balearic Islands - including Ibiza, Majorca and Menorca - were added today."
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Post by mattmw on Jun 3, 2021 14:10:32 GMT 1
Looks like the green list has got smaller rather than bigger and more countries going on the red list soon too!
Do feel for people with plans for holidays or family visits abroad this summer must be difficult to know what to do and potential time and cost of tests and isolation making the price of foreign travel much higher
Costa del Coleham for me this year
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Post by northwestman on Jun 3, 2021 20:14:33 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 22:40:00 GMT 1
Looks like the green list has got smaller rather than bigger and more countries going on the red list soon too! Do feel for people with plans for holidays or family visits abroad this summer must be difficult to know what to do and potential time and cost of tests and isolation making the price of foreign travel much higher Costa del Coleham for me this year I really do not feel for any one that has booked a holiday abroad.... really at the bottom of my list for people to feel sorry for
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 4, 2021 12:11:13 GMT 1
Looks like the green list has got smaller rather than bigger and more countries going on the red list soon too! Do feel for people with plans for holidays or family visits abroad this summer must be difficult to know what to do and potential time and cost of tests and isolation making the price of foreign travel much higher Costa del Coleham for me this year I really do not feel for any one that has booked a holiday abroad.... really at the bottom of my list for people to feel sorry for What about the folk who booked early 2020 had the holiday cancelled so rolled over to this year…. Jet -2 -Go have now cancelled all flights up to 01/07 so my sons holidays been cancelled again so now awaiting refunds with 60k others…..Boris hasn’t got the balls to stop holidays so left everyone in Limbo! He’s stopped people going to Portugal with an infection rate of 39 per 100,000 yet you can go on holiday to Bolton infection rate 439 per 100,000 (more likely people from Bolton can travel unrestricted anywhere in this country) no travel restrictions in or out of the area, he did say best not to visits or leave but back tracked because it was the bank holiday weekend and people had booked holidays…. Now an outbreak in Conway / Llandudno no doubt people from NW going on holiday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57322527
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 4, 2021 12:29:46 GMT 1
I do agree that people who booked early in 2020 before Covid should be refunded first.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2021 13:14:09 GMT 1
He’s stopped people going to Portugal with an infection rate of 39 per 100,000 yet you can go on holiday to Bolton infection rate 439 per 100,000 (more likely people from Bolton can travel unrestricted anywhere in this country) no travel restrictions in or out of the area, he did say best not to visits or leave but back tracked because it was the bank holiday weekend and people had booked holidays…. Now an outbreak in Conway / Llandudno no doubt people from NW going on holiday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57322527A holiday in Bolton or Blackburn! Even I, who has never ventured outside England and Wales, baulk at the thought of that.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 4, 2021 13:15:15 GMT 1
Can’t help thinking that a new variant, like the Nepal one which no one had heard of until yesterday (including possibly the WHO), are very useful for the Govt when they want to do something unpopular, like removing Portugal from the green list. Not the first time it’s happened either...
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Post by northwestman on Jun 5, 2021 12:34:58 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9653613/British-doctor-Peter-Daszak-worked-Wuhan-scientists-secret-plan-stop-lab-leak-theory.htmlDr Peter Daszak, 55, has links with Chinese scientists in Wuhan lab The British expert on zoonotic 'spillovers' (viruses jumping from animals to humans) was among those who signed Lancet letter condemning lab leak theory He also worked in so-called pandemic prevention and the manipulation of coronaviruses, admitting they can be manipulated 'pretty easily' in 2019 podcast Dr Daszak was appointed to World Health Organisation's Wuhan 2021 delegation while The Lancet has its own close relationship with Chinese science community Leaked emails and intelligence reports continue to challenge pandemic origins
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Post by servernaside on Jun 5, 2021 13:52:07 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9653613/British-doctor-Peter-Daszak-worked-Wuhan-scientists-secret-plan-stop-lab-leak-theory.htmlDr Peter Daszak, 55, has links with Chinese scientists in Wuhan lab The British expert on zoonotic 'spillovers' (viruses jumping from animals to humans) was among those who signed Lancet letter condemning lab leak theory He also worked in so-called pandemic prevention and the manipulation of coronaviruses, admitting they can be manipulated 'pretty easily' in 2019 podcast Dr Daszak was appointed to World Health Organisation's Wuhan 2021 delegation while The Lancet has its own close relationship with Chinese science community Leaked emails and intelligence reports continue to challenge pandemic origins It's got 'conflict of interest' written all over it.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2021 9:10:27 GMT 1
Sir John Bell, Govt advisor, said this morning that “if we scamper down a rabbit hole every time we see a new variant, we are going to spend along time huddled away, so we need to keep a bit of balance to the discussion”. This mirrors my feeling, we hear too much of the doommongers and not enough of an alternative viewpoint. oh not him again sir John bellend remember the debate we had about him ( oh and me ) back around the turn of the year he reckoned we could vaccinate the whole country in 5 days I said it was b******s
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2021 12:56:42 GMT 1
Baroness Harding of Winscombe is considering a surprise application to become the next head of NHS England.
“Dido” Harding, 54, the former head of Test and Trace, has sounded out health leaders over the past fortnight about the prospect of succeeding Sir Simon Stevens as chief executive of the biggest employer in Europe, with about 1.5 million staff and a budget of £150 billion.
The Conservative peer and former TalkTalk boss is currently on short break, having handed over control of the Covid-19 testing effort at the start of April. A source said: “She is seriously considering it but has not reached a final decision.”
She is set to begin phoning potential supporters before the deadline for applications at midnight next Monday.
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No surprise to me. I reported on here that this was in the pipeline some time ago.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2021 14:36:08 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/tony-blair-calls-for-new-pass-to-allow-vaccinated-people-more-freedomsPeople who have been vaccinated against Covid-19 should be able to travel abroad using a new digital pass and go to “vaccine-only” venues such as restaurants or sports stadiums, Tony Blair says today. Releasing a report entitled “Less Risk, More Freedom”, by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, the former prime minister says the time has come “to distinguish for the purposes of freedom from restriction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated”. Under his plan a new pass system would operate both domestically and, ultimately, internationally. No venue would be forced to become “vaccine-only”, but those that opted to do so would be subject to fewer restrictions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 14:54:57 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/tony-blair-calls-for-new-pass-to-allow-vaccinated-people-more-freedomsPeople who have been vaccinated against Covid-19 should be able to travel abroad using a new digital pass and go to “vaccine-only” venues such as restaurants or sports stadiums, Tony Blair says today. Releasing a report entitled “Less Risk, More Freedom”, by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, the former prime minister says the time has come “to distinguish for the purposes of freedom from restriction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated”. Under his plan a new pass system would operate both domestically and, ultimately, internationally. No venue would be forced to become “vaccine-only”, but those that opted to do so would be subject to fewer restrictions. Mr Blair is unquestionably the best pm this country has had since Clement Attlee and even now continues to shine like a beacon of enlightenment around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 15:09:07 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/tony-blair-calls-for-new-pass-to-allow-vaccinated-people-more-freedomsPeople who have been vaccinated against Covid-19 should be able to travel abroad using a new digital pass and go to “vaccine-only” venues such as restaurants or sports stadiums, Tony Blair says today. Releasing a report entitled “Less Risk, More Freedom”, by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, the former prime minister says the time has come “to distinguish for the purposes of freedom from restriction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated”. Under his plan a new pass system would operate both domestically and, ultimately, internationally. No venue would be forced to become “vaccine-only”, but those that opted to do so would be subject to fewer restrictions. Mr Blair is unquestionably the best pm this country has had since Clement Attlee and even now continues to shine like a beacon of enlightenment around the world. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2021 15:51:11 GMT 1
The government seems paralysed by fear and panic — gripped by what the Portuguese president called “health fundamentalism” — yo-yoing between pleasing businesses and pleasing the scientists, but in the end pleasing no one. It is almost as if Johnson is writing two articles for every single decision he is making, then getting Dilyn to pick one at random. It lacks confidence.
The Times.
“The government seems paralysed by fear and panic“
On the contrary, they are riding high and it's us they have paralysed with fear, as is well explained in Laura Dodsworth’s book 'The State of Fear'.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 6, 2021 16:26:55 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/tony-blair-calls-for-new-pass-to-allow-vaccinated-people-more-freedomsPeople who have been vaccinated against Covid-19 should be able to travel abroad using a new digital pass and go to “vaccine-only” venues such as restaurants or sports stadiums, Tony Blair says today. Releasing a report entitled “Less Risk, More Freedom”, by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, the former prime minister says the time has come “to distinguish for the purposes of freedom from restriction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated”. Under his plan a new pass system would operate both domestically and, ultimately, internationally. No venue would be forced to become “vaccine-only”, but those that opted to do so would be subject to fewer restrictions. Are people who have both vaccinations less likely to pass the virus on when they contract it? As a 69 year old with plenty of time on his hands he would say that. It remains that a whole chunk of the population hasn't been vaccinated.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 6, 2021 16:48:40 GMT 1
Another 4 deaths recorded today
Best stay half-locked down after June 21st!!
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2021 17:01:37 GMT 1
The failings of living in a one party state are already painfully clear for all to see. The vaccine roll out has been good, but the rest of the management of covid 19 has been incompetent to say the least.
Why is G7 taking place with people coming in from Red Countries with minimal restrictions, whilst ordinary folk cant even go to relatively Covid free Portugal? And what about the many thousands of people arriving later for the COP 27 conference?
Please can we have people capable of becoming Her Majesty's opposition? The current Labour Party is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
And why is Border Force still operating its Free Ferry service in the English Channel?
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Post by mattmw on Jun 6, 2021 17:43:43 GMT 1
Just over 5000 new cases today, which is a concern. 40% up in a week. But so far the hospital admissions are remaining low which is great news, just have to hope that continues over the next couple of weeks and the people contracting the virus now don't start needing hospital treatment.
Clearly the vaccine programme is a massive effort that will need to continue for a few months at least, but so far it seems to be working. Only downside to it is that its still taking staff away from other duities so the back log in treating other conditions won't be tackled for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 19:07:26 GMT 1
Another 4 deaths recorded today Best stay half-locked down after June 21st!! Absolutely agree with you 👍
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 6, 2021 22:15:08 GMT 1
Apparently hospitalisations are falling in Bolton, which is great news if true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 10:23:34 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? Absolutely not. It's something I've mentioned before but suggestions like this are ones which were shouted down as the ramblings of conspiracy theorists 12 months ago, now they are being spoken about openly. I suspect that quite a lot of people in the country do agree with him and would probably call out anyone who hasn't had the jab as selfish, anti-vaax etc., however some would then backtrack when it's pointed out that the take up rate is lowest amongst ethnic minorities and therefore would say its not fair to discriminate against them.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 7, 2021 10:55:00 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? Absolutely. Makes perfect sense from a public health standpoint and allows the country to get back to normal. Also for any freedom lovers the choice would be up to the venue owner, so no government mandated vaccine only establishments. It just means anywhere that was vaccine only would have no social distancing requirements.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2021 10:55:34 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9658851/Genome-sequencing-certainly-proves-COVID-deliberately-lab-experts-claim.htmlTwo U.S. experts have penned a damning essay saying the genome sequencing of COVID-19 strongly suggests that the virus was manufactured inside a Chinese laboratory. Dr. Stephen Quay and Richard Muller, a physics professor at the University of California Berkeley, made the claim in The Wall Street Journal on Sunday, amid growing speculation that the coronavirus leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). 'The most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science,' the experts wrote, stating that 'COVID-19 has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.'
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 7, 2021 11:29:45 GMT 1
Does anyone agree with Mr Blair? Absolutely. Makes perfect sense from a public health standpoint and allows the country to get back to normal. Also for any freedom lovers the choice would be up to the venue owner, so no government mandated vaccine only establishments. It just means anywhere that was vaccine only would have no social distancing requirements. I think once everyone's been offered the vaccine I've got no problem with vaccine passports, who would,? Youngest son 31 getting vaccinated at Ashton Gate now 👍
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