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Post by northwestman on May 29, 2021 9:22:13 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.htmlAn explosive new study claims that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a Wuhan lab, then tried to cover their tracks by reverse-engineering versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats. The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year - but were ignored by academics and major journals. The shocking allegations in the study include accusations of 'deliberate destruction, concealment or contamination of data' at Chinese labs, and it notes the silencing and disappearance of scientists in the communist country who spoke out. Obviously, other scientists disagree with this study, but Fauci and Biden are certainly prepared to look further into the origins of covid 19. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9630825/Is-finally-proof-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-lab.html
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Post by northwestman on May 29, 2021 11:44:56 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9631013/Dominic-Cummings-trusted-according-Mail-poll.htmlSo according to this poll, Tories have a 10% lead over Labour, Boris is a better bet than Starmer as PM (though what an awful choice to have to make), we have the best response in the world to covid (i.e. vaccines), and Cummings is more of a liar than the PM. And yet voters believe Cummings' assertions that Boris made all his 'gaffe' statements, agree with his comments that tens of thousands died needlessly, that people in care homes were not shielded from covid, that the government ignored the experts on the second lockdown, and that the government had no lockdown plan at the start of the pandemic.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 29, 2021 12:56:30 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9632077/Only-TWO-people-died-Indian-Covid-variant-fully-vaccinated-figures-show.html"Public Health England analysis shows only 177 out of 5,599 people - three per cent - who caught the mutant strain and presented to A&E had already had both jabs. Almost 3,400 had not yet had their first dose. The figures show of the 12 people who have died with the variant in England by May 25, eight were unvaccinated, two had a first dose, and two had both doses of a vaccine. Other promising data showing the success of the jab blitz shows the average age of people testing positive is now just 29, the youngest ever recorded and down from 41 at the start of the year. If the trend stays the same, But plans to go ahead with 'Freedom Day' on June 21 hang in the balance because of the rapid spread of the Indian variant, with cautious scientists calling for ministers to delay the final step on the roadmap back to normality."
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 14:08:08 GMT 1
How many of those 3400 were eligible for the jab but had refused.
What is the hospital rate of those found positive?
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 29, 2021 14:45:02 GMT 1
How many of those 3400 were eligible for the jab but had refused. What is the hospital rate of those found positive? if you read the article and you will find there is a table wich answers alll your questions , not a suprise to see a significant % have not been vaccinated
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 15:03:15 GMT 1
How many of those 3400 were eligible for the jab but had refused. What is the hospital rate of those found positive? if you read the article and you will find there is a table wich answers alll your questions , not a suprise to see a significant % have not been vaccinated If you read the question you will realise I am on about something the article does not touch upon
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 29, 2021 16:24:50 GMT 1
if you read the article and you will find there is a table wich answers alll your questions , not a suprise to see a significant % have not been vaccinated If you read the question you will realise I am on about something the article does not touch upon such is life who gets all the answers
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Post by servernaside on May 29, 2021 17:42:26 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.htmlAn explosive new study claims that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a Wuhan lab, then tried to cover their tracks by reverse-engineering versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats. The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year - but were ignored by academics and major journals. The shocking allegations in the study include accusations of 'deliberate destruction, concealment or contamination of data' at Chinese labs, and it notes the silencing and disappearance of scientists in the communist country who spoke out. Obviously, other scientists disagree with this study, but Fauci and Biden are certainly prepared to look further into the origins of covid 19. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9630825/Is-finally-proof-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-lab.html It beggars belief that it might only be coincidental that the first known outbreak of Covid 19 occurred in Wuhan which is home to the Institute of Virology. It must be the same kind of coincidence which led to the first atomic explosion occurring in the same vicinity as the Nuclear Research Laboratory in Los Alamos.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 29, 2021 17:54:14 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9631013/Dominic-Cummings-trusted-according-Mail-poll.htmlSo according to this poll, Tories have a 10% lead over Labour, Boris is a better bet than Starmer as PM (though what an awful choice to have to make), we have the best response in the world to covid (i.e. vaccines), and Cummings is more of a liar than the PM. And yet voters believe Cummings' assertions that Boris made all his 'gaffe' statements, agree with his comments that tens of thousands died needlessly, that people in care homes were not shielded from covid, that the government ignored the experts on the second lockdown, and that the government had no lockdown plan at the start of the pandemic. To be honest I think most of Cumming's assertions were pretty obvious for all to see as they happened, Cummings is only confirming it, that's why it hasn't knocked down the 10% lead.
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Post by northwestman on May 29, 2021 22:12:32 GMT 1
The discovery of the Indian variant in Britain was not announced to the public by ministers for a fortnight while thousands of potentially infected people were allowed to enter the country.
Ministers were given the news of the variant’s arrival on April 1 but no official statement was made until April 15. India was not placed on the red list banning travellers from the country for another eight days.
By contrast, last December a travel ban was imposed on South Africa within two days after it was discovered that the strain from that country had entered Britain.
The Indian variant was spreading fast across India by late March and the country’s health officials had warned that it could be highly infectious and might undermine vaccines. People were dying without treatment because hospitals were overwhelmed.
However, no action was taken to stop travel from India even though the country’s neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, were placed on the red list on April 2 — the day after ministers were informed the variant had been found in Britain. At least 20,000 passengers — who could have been infected with the virulent new strain — were allowed to enter Britain in the first three weeks of April.
The Indian variant is now the most dominant strain of the virus in the UK, making up up to three-quarters of new infections. Detected cases of this strain have doubled in the past week and its surge across Britain is threatening to derail further easing of lockdown restrictions on June 21.
Senior political sources suggested two reasons why the imposition of border restrictions on travellers from India may have been delayed. It is alleged that Boris Johnson wanted to keep relations with India smooth before key post-Brexit trade talks and there was also concern that it might halt vaccine supplies from its factories to the UK if placed on the red list.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 29, 2021 22:18:41 GMT 1
The discovery of the Indian variant in Britain was not announced to the public by ministers for a fortnight while thousands of potentially infected people were allowed to enter the country. Ministers were given the news of the variant’s arrival on April 1 but no official statement was made until April 15. India was not placed on the red list banning travellers from the country for another eight days. By contrast, last December a travel ban was imposed on South Africa within two days after it was discovered that the strain from that country had entered Britain. The Indian variant was spreading fast across India by late March and the country’s health officials had warned that it could be highly infectious and might undermine vaccines. People were dying without treatment because hospitals were overwhelmed. However, no action was taken to stop travel from India even though the country’s neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, were placed on the red list on April 2 — the day after ministers were informed the variant had been found in Britain. At least 20,000 passengers — who could have been infected with the virulent new strain — were allowed to enter Britain in the first three weeks of April. The Indian variant is now the most dominant strain of the virus in the UK, making up up to three-quarters of new infections. Detected cases of this strain have doubled in the past week and its surge across Britain is threatening to derail further easing of lockdown restrictions on June 21. Senior political sources suggested two reasons why the imposition of border restrictions on travellers from India may have been delayed. It is alleged that Boris Johnson wanted to keep relations with India smooth before key post-Brexit trade talks and there was also concern that it might halt vaccine supplies from its factories to the UK if placed on the red list. The Times. Please let's hope Boris has learned his lesson, otherwise some variant will arrive sometime and ruin our return to normality.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 23:09:45 GMT 1
The discovery of the Indian variant in Britain was not announced to the public by ministers for a fortnight while thousands of potentially infected people were allowed to enter the country. Ministers were given the news of the variant’s arrival on April 1 but no official statement was made until April 15. India was not placed on the red list banning travellers from the country for another eight days. By contrast, last December a travel ban was imposed on South Africa within two days after it was discovered that the strain from that country had entered Britain. The Indian variant was spreading fast across India by late March and the country’s health officials had warned that it could be highly infectious and might undermine vaccines. People were dying without treatment because hospitals were overwhelmed. However, no action was taken to stop travel from India even though the country’s neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, were placed on the red list on April 2 — the day after ministers were informed the variant had been found in Britain. At least 20,000 passengers — who could have been infected with the virulent new strain — were allowed to enter Britain in the first three weeks of April. The Indian variant is now the most dominant strain of the virus in the UK, making up up to three-quarters of new infections. Detected cases of this strain have doubled in the past week and its surge across Britain is threatening to derail further easing of lockdown restrictions on June 21. Senior political sources suggested two reasons why the imposition of border restrictions on travellers from India may have been delayed. It is alleged that Boris Johnson wanted to keep relations with India smooth before key post-Brexit trade talks and there was also concern that it might halt vaccine supplies from its factories to the UK if placed on the red list. The Times. Yet another **** up caused by Brexit
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 23:53:41 GMT 1
The discovery of the Indian variant in Britain was not announced to the public by ministers for a fortnight while thousands of potentially infected people were allowed to enter the country. Ministers were given the news of the variant’s arrival on April 1 but no official statement was made until April 15. India was not placed on the red list banning travellers from the country for another eight days. By contrast, last December a travel ban was imposed on South Africa within two days after it was discovered that the strain from that country had entered Britain. The Indian variant was spreading fast across India by late March and the country’s health officials had warned that it could be highly infectious and might undermine vaccines. People were dying without treatment because hospitals were overwhelmed. However, no action was taken to stop travel from India even though the country’s neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, were placed on the red list on April 2 — the day after ministers were informed the variant had been found in Britain. At least 20,000 passengers — who could have been infected with the virulent new strain — were allowed to enter Britain in the first three weeks of April. The Indian variant is now the most dominant strain of the virus in the UK, making up up to three-quarters of new infections. Detected cases of this strain have doubled in the past week and its surge across Britain is threatening to derail further easing of lockdown restrictions on June 21. Senior political sources suggested two reasons why the imposition of border restrictions on travellers from India may have been delayed. It is alleged that Boris Johnson wanted to keep relations with India smooth before key post-Brexit trade talks and there was also concern that it might halt vaccine supplies from its factories to the UK if placed on the red list. The Times. Yet another **** up caused by Brexit 🤣🤣
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Post by davycrockett on May 30, 2021 8:23:35 GMT 1
Yet another **** up caused by Brexit 🤣🤣 🙈🙉
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Post by martinshrew on May 30, 2021 10:24:08 GMT 1
The discovery of the Indian variant in Britain was not announced to the public by ministers for a fortnight while thousands of potentially infected people were allowed to enter the country. Ministers were given the news of the variant’s arrival on April 1 but no official statement was made until April 15. India was not placed on the red list banning travellers from the country for another eight days. By contrast, last December a travel ban was imposed on South Africa within two days after it was discovered that the strain from that country had entered Britain. The Indian variant was spreading fast across India by late March and the country’s health officials had warned that it could be highly infectious and might undermine vaccines. People were dying without treatment because hospitals were overwhelmed. However, no action was taken to stop travel from India even though the country’s neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, were placed on the red list on April 2 — the day after ministers were informed the variant had been found in Britain. At least 20,000 passengers — who could have been infected with the virulent new strain — were allowed to enter Britain in the first three weeks of April. The Indian variant is now the most dominant strain of the virus in the UK, making up up to three-quarters of new infections. Detected cases of this strain have doubled in the past week and its surge across Britain is threatening to derail further easing of lockdown restrictions on June 21. Senior political sources suggested two reasons why the imposition of border restrictions on travellers from India may have been delayed. It is alleged that Boris Johnson wanted to keep relations with India smooth before key post-Brexit trade talks and there was also concern that it might halt vaccine supplies from its factories to the UK if placed on the red list. The Times. Yet another **** up caused by Brexit Clutching a bit there, Christ.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 10:48:04 GMT 1
Yet another **** up caused by Brexit Clutching a bit there, Christ. Whilst you carry on papering over the ever widening cracks.
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2021 12:10:54 GMT 1
British intelligence agencies now believe it is “feasible” that the global pandemic began with a coronavirus leak from a Chinese research laboratory.
In a significant sharpening of tension with Beijing, they are investigating a possible leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which Beijing angrily insists was not the source of the virus that has caused more than 3.5 million deaths and is still raging globally.
They do so as controversy grows about the alleged silencing of scientists who wanted an investigation of the lab-leak theory.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 12:14:18 GMT 1
Clutching a bit there, Christ. Grammar can make the world of difference! 😉👍
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2021 12:27:32 GMT 1
Downing Street has dug in behind the health secretary. “He’s going nowhere,” said one senior source. “The message that’s been conveyed is that we are going to tough this one out.” Sources point to the survival of Priti Patel, the home secretary, found guilty of bullying, and Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, caught up in sleaze allegations last year. Some also suspect Johnson is perfectly happy to have Hancock stay — because of, not in spite of, his alleged failings. In political terms, his minister is a human shield.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 15:41:50 GMT 1
Clutching a bit there, Christ. Whilst you carry on papering over the ever widening cracks. 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 15:43:13 GMT 1
Downing Street has dug in behind the health secretary. “He’s going nowhere,” said one senior source. “The message that’s been conveyed is that we are going to tough this one out.” Sources point to the survival of Priti Patel, the home secretary, found guilty of bullying, and Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, caught up in sleaze allegations last year. Some also suspect Johnson is perfectly happy to have Hancock stay — because of, not in spite of, his alleged failings. In political terms, his minister is a human shield. The Times. Pretty much sums up the strategy! 😂😂
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Post by staffordshrew on May 30, 2021 17:14:38 GMT 1
Yet another **** up caused by Brexit Clutching a bit there, Christ. Not sure about that, if Boris wasn't so keen to show we can set up trade deals out of the EU, would a trade deal with India be so important? Would a trade deal with Autralia, said to be worth only 0.02% of our GDP be so important?
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2021 12:28:12 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/india-covid-variant-spreading-across-england-data-showsThe coronavirus variant of concern first detected in India is continuing to spread across England, with cases emerging beyond “hotspot” areas, data suggests. The variant, known as B.1.617.2, is thought to be driving a rise in Covid cases in parts of the UK and is believed to be both more transmissible than the variant first detected in Kent, which previously dominated, and somewhat more resistant to Covid vaccines, particularly after just one dose. At present up to three-quarters of new Covid cases in the UK are thought to be caused by the India variant. There have also been signs of a slight rise in hospitalisations. The situation has led some scientists to warn that the country is now in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus, which despite the vaccination programme modelling suggests could lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths, and that full easing of restrictions in England on 21 June should be reconsidered.
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 31, 2021 13:31:10 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/india-covid-variant-spreading-across-england-data-showsThe coronavirus variant of concern first detected in India is continuing to spread across England, with cases emerging beyond “hotspot” areas, data suggests. The variant, known as B.1.617.2, is thought to be driving a rise in Covid cases in parts of the UK and is believed to be both more transmissible than the variant first detected in Kent, which previously dominated, and somewhat more resistant to Covid vaccines, particularly after just one dose. At present up to three-quarters of new Covid cases in the UK are thought to be caused by the India variant. There have also been signs of a slight rise in hospitalisations. The situation has led some scientists to warn that the country is now in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus, which despite the vaccination programme modelling suggests could lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths, and that full easing of restrictions in England on 21 June should be reconsidered. You can guarantee the Guardian will find the most negative angle to any story. Genuinely interested if there is any planning to which expert scientists go on the media on a daily basis or whether it’s free rein for any to speak to any media outlets they like. If the latter, then as bad news sells, we are likely to get the most negative or cautious views coming to the front. Maybe those who like the sound of their own voices, and want to make a name of themselves, will adopt a perspective which is likely to get them noticed?
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Post by mattmw on May 31, 2021 13:55:38 GMT 1
Next three weeks will really be key to how the summer progresses.
Whilst cases have gone up this week, averaging over 3000 cases each day, the good news is that in clusters like Bolton the intervention of mass testing and increased vaccinations does seem to have stopped the cases rising quite so quickly. On the minus side the indian varient does seem to be emerging in lots of different areas, so is likely to continue to expand in quite a few areas. Half term could have an impact too - less cases in school but potential for wider spread as families meet up in the holidays
My gut feeling is we'll stay at step three for a few extra weeks, and if cases can be kept down, and more people get vaccinated step 4 can be implemented in mid to late July, but it would seem risky to go full tilt and ending all covid restrictions on 21st June. Those extra couple of weeks could make all the difference
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2021 14:10:26 GMT 1
Next three weeks will really be key to how the summer progresses. Whilst cases have gone up this week, averaging over 3000 cases each day, the good news is that in clusters like Bolton the intervention of mass testing and increased vaccinations does seem to have stopped the cases rising quite so quickly. On the minus side the indian varient does seem to be emerging in lots of different areas, so is likely to continue to expand in quite a few areas. Half term could have an impact too - less cases in school but potential for wider spread as families meet up in the holidays My gut feeling is we'll stay at step three for a few extra weeks, and if cases can be kept down, and more people get vaccinated step 4 can be implemented in mid to late July, but it would seem risky to go full tilt and ending all covid restrictions on 21st June. Those extra couple of weeks could make all the difference One advantage we have to keep us on track is that most of the meeting up will be done outside while the weather is good. That slows transmission down. What we need to avoid now is the Vietnam variant, a cross between the Kent and the Indian, apparently.
What we do need to know is how come the virus has as yet not become a huge problem in most of Africa?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:28:08 GMT 1
Heathrow has finally set up Terminal 3 to accept all flights from "red" countries who will have to hotel isolate, which is a small move ro try to prevent those having to hotel isolate from mixing inside with other travellers - but they had to have financial help from the government to do it.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 2, 2021 11:47:45 GMT 1
Professor Ravi Gupta, a member of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), is advising against lifting Covid restrictions on June 21 because of the threat of a third wave of infections driven by the Indian variant.
Certainly, reported cases have risen, but this seems to be mainly a result of more testing targeted on areas where this variant is most prevalent. Deaths “within 28 days of a positive test” are very low. The big problem in hospitals seems to be the (self-inflicted) backlog of non-Covid cases. The overwhelming majority of new cases appear to be in groups not yet offered vaccines, or who have chosen not to have them.
Most importantly, several months ago, both Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty went on record as saying that we had to learn to live with Covid. Constantly blocking a return to something near to normality represents a horrendous threat of life in permanent lockdown, as one new variant after another comes along
and panics the advisers into delaying again and yet again our release from this imprisonment.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 2, 2021 17:04:21 GMT 1
Interesting scenes at a vaccine centre in Twickenham on the 31st. Large numbers of young people queued for sometime only for vaccines to run out. Suggests to me that supply isn't in excess of demand.
The efficacy of a single jab against the Indian variant is low. AZ second jab provides substantial protection sometime between 4 and 12 weeks.
It's a race between the vaccine programme and the virus and it's increasingly unclear which is going to come out on top.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 2, 2021 17:06:12 GMT 1
There's a cluster in Llandudno currently. Anyone on here live there?
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