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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 15:53:14 GMT 1
Indeed, and you make my point perfectly: "not yet", but strongly implying that we must wait for the (unachievable) 100% effectiveness: QED, we can NEVER, ever again, hug our grandchildren. That cannot be "right" at all. Difficult to know what he implied without hearing it. The strong message should be not yet. We won’t need 100% protection when the rate in the community is very low. vaccination plus low infection rate = safe to hug. Ill try and find it listen later 👍👍
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2021 16:07:27 GMT 1
i've got more letters in my bag that he has after his name, but if a vaccine is said to have a 90% success rate that means its not 100% safe True, of course, but to imply, accidentally or otherwise, that the desired "safety" must await 100% effectiveness is stupidity of the highest order, and such "experts" should be locked away, as the only way of saving us from their nonsensical pronouncements.. But, again, I ask in all seriousness, do I misjudge him? I hope that the number of letters in your bag does not exceed the prescribed weight limits! 🤣🤣🤣 its all about the R number the more 90% vaccinated the harder it gets to spread the virus, there are going to be outbreaks all over the place to start with, and hopefully the occurences will get fewer and fewer and then stop the thing i would like to know is are the vaccines rolling out hot off the press or are there millions sat on shelves waiting their turn to be collected ?, that would be annoying as schools, work places that could be getting a delivery and spending a day jabbing everyone themselves, i used to have jabs in school, i guess you did
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 16:17:44 GMT 1
True, of course, but to imply, accidentally or otherwise, that the desired "safety" must await 100% effectiveness is stupidity of the highest order, and such "experts" should be locked away, as the only way of saving us from their nonsensical pronouncements.. But, again, I ask in all seriousness, do I misjudge him? I hope that the number of letters in your bag does not exceed the prescribed weight limits! 🤣🤣🤣 its all about the R number the more 90% vaccinated the harder it gets to spread the virus, there are going to be outbreaks all over the place to start with, and hopefully the occurences will get fewer and fewer and then stop the thing i would like to know is are the vaccines rolling out hot off the press or are there millions sat on shelves waiting their turn to be collected ?, that would be annoying as schools, work places that could be getting a delivery and spending a day jabbing everyone themselves, i used to have jabs in school, i guess you did I am aware that the rate of spread is important, but my point has not yet been addressed - 100% effectiveness??? Really? Sometimes I despair over how apparently clever people can be so stupid! I understand that the rest of Europe has millions of AZ doses "in storage"
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 16:27:49 GMT 1
I don't think that was the interview to which I was referring, but no matter - it is what is left unsaid which is important: specifically, the failure to caveat or qualify, in any way at all, the reference to "100%". That failure is not just stupid, but dangerously so, in my opinion and I don't need an alphabet soup after my name to know that.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 28, 2021 21:01:12 GMT 1
I don't think that was the interview to which I was referring, but no matter - it is what is left unsaid which is important: specifically, the failure to caveat or qualify, in any way at all, the reference to "100%". That failure is not just stupid, but dangerously so, in my opinion and I don't need an alphabet soup after my name to know that. Remember this Chinese training video?
Well, we won't be doing that, but, in our own British way we will be able to squash Covid when our test and trace. public health. teams, etc. are able to jump on any outbreak because they will be so few. We will probably use techniques similar to the way other outbreaks, like measles are handled.
With regard to ypur "100%" Well, no vaccine is 100% effective, but, however effective the vaccine is, with that and the other techniques that were employed, thankfully, nasties like polio and smallpox are no more.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 22:04:25 GMT 1
I don't think that was the interview to which I was referring, but no matter - it is what is left unsaid which is important: specifically, the failure to caveat or qualify, in any way at all, the reference to "100%". That failure is not just stupid, but dangerously so, in my opinion and I don't need an alphabet soup after my name to know that. Remember this Chinese training video?
Well, we won't be doing that, but, in our own British way we will be able to squash Covid when our test and trace. public health. teams, etc. are able to jump on any outbreak because they will be so few. We will probably use techniques similar to the way other outbreaks, like measles are handled.
With regard to ypur "100%" Well, no vaccine is 100% effective, but, however effective the vaccine is, with that and the other techniques that were employed, thankfully, nasties like polio and smallpox are no more.
It's not "my" 100% it is the professor's, yet he implied, by omission or commission, that hugging of one's grandchildren can only take place once that hitherto unacchieved and unachievable standard can be attained; I repeat, forcibly, that he is either stupid, somehow trying to justify an inflated sense of self-importance. And he is an example of the people who are guiding our government......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 22:18:43 GMT 1
Experts are stupid! There’s an attitude that’s served us well👍
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 28, 2021 23:17:18 GMT 1
Experts are stupid! There’s an attitude that’s served us well👍 We are all stupid, but by working together and forming a concensus we are unbeatable.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 28, 2021 23:17:36 GMT 1
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Post by DiglisShrew on Feb 28, 2021 23:45:10 GMT 1
And the third person is unknown as he/ she the test but failed (intentionally?) to complete the test registration card it would appear !
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Post by mattmw on Mar 1, 2021 8:56:34 GMT 1
And the third person is unknown as he/ she the test but failed (intentionally?) to complete the test registration card it would appear ! Nadhim Zahawi explanation on BBC Breakfast didn’t fill me with great confidence this morning. Only been two weeks and seems we have no idea where person X is, or where they have been during that time. For all the success of the vaccine programme issues like this could throw the whole thing apart again
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 9:39:25 GMT 1
Something to look forward to after lockdown, especially for fans of the Swan with Two Necks (the one near Loggerheads that Downie likes):
"The Parogon Pub Group – which runs the Swan with Two Necks in Blackbrook, the Orange Tree in Newcastle and the Wayfarer in Stone among others – has taken on the former Joe’s Kitchen unit at the Trentham Estate".
I assume they will all be run to the same high standard?
The Wayfarer. back in the day, used to be noted for it's "Grab a Granny " nights every Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 9:53:41 GMT 1
Perhaps not a priority for everyone but interesting story this morning that the 'substantial meal' rule has been dropped from the roadmap due to a legal challenge (from people within hospitality) which was won as a result of the lack of scientific evidence provided by the government to support this.
The group are also going to be reviewing the evidence provided by the government to justify why hospitality cannot open at the same time as non essential retail and reading between the lines, are likely to be challenging this too.
I'm sure that people will be different views on whether it's a good thing or not, personally I'm glad to see the government being held to account and not being able to make decisions whilst hiding behind the (alleged) science.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 9:56:22 GMT 1
And the third person is unknown as he/ she the test but failed (intentionally?) to complete the test registration card it would appear ! Nadhim Zahawi explanation on BBC Breakfast didn’t fill me with great confidence this morning. Only been two weeks and seems we have no idea where person X is, or where they have been during that time. For all the success of the vaccine programme issues like this could throw the whole thing apart again Agreed. Our approach to people coming into the country over the last 12 months has been farcical at times, and this situation sums it up, the fact someone can come in from a high risk country where there are concerns over different variants but cannot be traced as they didn't provide their contact details!
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 10:03:34 GMT 1
Nadhim Zahawi explanation on BBC Breakfast didn’t fill me with great confidence this morning. Only been two weeks and seems we have no idea where person X is, or where they have been during that time. For all the success of the vaccine programme issues like this could throw the whole thing apart again Agreed. Our approach to people coming into the country over the last 12 months has been farcical at times, and this situation sums it up, the fact someone can come in from a high risk country where there are concerns over different variants but cannot be traced as they didn't provide their contact details! An absolute disgrace. Their tardiness is now backfiring on them. This is an important public health issue for all of us, the consequences of a variant making it into the uk that might be capable of ruining all our vaccination efforts is too awful to contemplate.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 10:07:02 GMT 1
But it was a requirement to Quarantine at home for two weeks If the two in Gloucestershire followed The Law we’d be covered still... If they didn’t were stuffed
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 1, 2021 10:27:19 GMT 1
we just dont learn , the goverment keep making the same mistakes, the Brazilian mutation was first identified outside in japan in january, any viologist could tell you the spanish flue mutated into a more leathal mutation.we dithered for months to bring in the hotel quarantine and even now it does not cover every country, with a new mutation in calafornia and now japan this will just keep happening,we should not waite untill it is in the country to act as by then it is too late. in this brazilian mutation case . Nadhim Zahawi vaccine minister was interview , they had a pre arrival test which was negative then were sent home tests and told to self isolate and three came as positive. one did not fill in there contact details and they dont have a clue were they are, the data already shows a significant % to do not follow the self isolation period. this person has been who knowes were for four days aafter the posative test results, so it is in the country and yet again all of this was avoidable. www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/02/22/new-sars-cov-2-variant-discovered-in-japan-nearly-identical-to-dangerous-brazilian-variant/?sh=c2441fa67fa8"In early January, The National Institue of Infectious Diseases in Japan detected a new variant of SARS-CoV-2 in travelers arriving from Brazil a few days earlier." "As the scientific community becomes keenly aware of the dangers SARS-CoV-2 variants present, increased sequencing efforts seek to uncover new mutants before they begin to spread widely in the population. Among the new variants discovered in recent weeks is the Japanese variant (B.1.1.248) identified both through spread in the community and in their Covid-19 isolation facility. This viral mutant is nearly identical to the Brazilian (P.1) variant and carries similar mutations to the infamous United Kingdom (B.1.1.7) and South Africa (B.1.351), but also has one mutation unique to its structure, further complicating the Covid-19 puzzle for Japan and the world."
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 10:44:14 GMT 1
But it was a requirement to Quarantine at home for two weeks If the two in Gloucestershire followed The Law we’d be covered still... If they didn’t were stuffed I'm not all that fussed where the quarantine is, but we had people wandering through airports, sometimes unchalleged, then getting on public transport and then quarantining at home.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2021 11:03:00 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 11:05:54 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Mar 1, 2021 11:06:44 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305061/Government-losing-52BILLION-year-fraud.htmlThe government is losing up to £52billion a year due to fraud - more than the entire defence budget. The staggering scale was revealed in an assessment slipped out by Whitehall, which also warned that the problems could be reaching 'epidemic' levels as criminals exploit coronavirus bailouts. Government auditors have warned that criminals might be milking billions of pounds from the huge furlough scheme, emergency grants and and loans introduced since the pandemic began.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 11:12:22 GMT 1
But it was a requirement to Quarantine at home for two weeks If the two in Gloucestershire followed The Law we’d be covered still... If they didn’t were stuffed I'm not all that fussed where the quarantine is, but we had people wandering through airports, sometimes unchalleged, then getting on public transport and then quarantining at home. You’d imagine that arrivals from the high risk countries are kept separate from all others and strict instructions on how they travel and who the meet in place. remember the return of UK citizens from China early on with coaches straight to isolation? Surely we’re not just relying on good will to do the right thing. I also wonder why so many people are allowed to travel, to need to isolate. Some would be essential but most I’d think not. We’re in lockdown and can’t travel so why can people travel to this country? Should only be a handful yet they were reporting 1000 a day arriving needing isolation hotels
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 1, 2021 11:12:55 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305061/Government-losing-52BILLION-year-fraud.htmlThe government is losing up to £52billion a year due to fraud - more than the entire defence budget. The staggering scale was revealed in an assessment slipped out by Whitehall, which also warned that the problems could be reaching 'epidemic' levels as criminals exploit coronavirus bailouts. Government auditors have warned that criminals might be milking billions of pounds from the huge furlough scheme, emergency grants and and loans introduced since the pandemic began. which then should bring up what oversight and scrutiny is there ,if this is the case not enough.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 1, 2021 11:26:29 GMT 1
Nadhim Zahawi explanation on BBC Breakfast didn’t fill me with great confidence this morning. Only been two weeks and seems we have no idea where person X is, or where they have been during that time. For all the success of the vaccine programme issues like this could throw the whole thing apart again Agreed. Our approach to people coming into the country over the last 12 months has been farcical at times, and this situation sums it up, the fact someone can come in from a high risk country where there are concerns over different variants but cannot be traced as they didn't provide their contact details! Does seem strange that this government hasn’t done more to close boarders, when it would be a popular move with most members of the public, particularly their own voter base. Can only assume the logistics of doing it are too difficult or costly, but if new mutations are to emerge they are likely to come from abroad, are the biggest threat to our vaccine strategy, not just now but over the next 12 months too
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2021 11:32:34 GMT 1
didn’t get the slightest of a mention on here a month back when it was announced
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 11:49:01 GMT 1
didn’t get the slightest of a mention on here a month back when it was announced I'm pretty certain it did by numerous posters, but life's too short to go trawling bback through old posts. Even a numb nuts didn't need hindsight to see that the delay in tightening quarantine was dangerous, and I know you are not a numb nuts.
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 1, 2021 12:17:32 GMT 1
Given the publicity about this one case that is missing, it would have been good to think that the person would have come forward by now. But I won’t hold my breath. sure,y the airline must have a record of who travelled? Otherwise in the unhappy circumstances of a crash, how do they identify who was on board?
To be honest it didn’t need hindsight to see that any delay may well have proved costly and so it seems.
The government don’t learn because they don’t want to learn. They know it all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 12:44:16 GMT 1
Just passed a year since the first notified case in Wales returning from an Alpine skiing holiday. If only ......
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2021 12:54:00 GMT 1
oh yeah labour did thats standard policy to disagree with anything and everything no one did on here, i had a quick look, back on feb 4th stafford shrew was posting pictures of postmen
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