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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 15:42:19 GMT 1
I'm no expert, but isn't that 6.5 hours customer facing plus as many hours as it takes to mark student's work and prepare the next day's lessons? Don't they also have time in their contracts out of school term to prepare?
Oh, sorry i forgot the half hour break at 10 then the lunch hour, but suppose thats when they do a lot of the marking.... :-) I think the days of teachers spending breaks and free lessons in the staff room smoking and drinking coffee as they did in our school years are long gone. Most teachers may not be actually teaching until 9 o'clock, but the vast majority of them are on the premises from before 8 o'clock and some who draw the breakfast club duty are in even earlier. Even back when you and I were in school there were teachers who ran after school activities that weren't part of the curriculum. I myself did canoeing at Meole which meant getting in a minibus to travel to the Mary Webb school in Pontesbury to use their pool and not getting back to Meole until turned 5 o'clock. Others stayed behind to train for the various school teams. There are and always have been teachers on the school yards during every break and lunch time, there were always plenty of them to avoid when smoking behind the sports hall or in the farthest corner of the school field.
I know you are only trying to be awkward and cantankerous for the hell of it and to try to justify your hatred of the teaching (and any other) unions, but your arguments are getting a bit silly now.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 17:17:48 GMT 1
If teaching is such a cushy number, why didn't Severnaside and Downie make a career of it?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 25, 2021 17:22:26 GMT 1
If teaching is such a cushy number, why didn't Severnaside and Downie make a career of it? Not sure that they can know many teachers.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 17:45:22 GMT 1
If teaching is such a cushy number, why didn't Severnaside and Downie make a career of it? Failed their dbs checks 😝
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 25, 2021 17:59:40 GMT 1
Teachers may be given 13 weeks ‘holiday’ I.e., not in the classroom but they certainly do not get a holiday lasting 13 weeks. They do not work 9-5 either. The number of records on learning that have to be kept for each child are mind boggling, reports have to be written, parents seen if they request, lessons prepared. It’s quite an eye opener if you actually know someone involved.
Just a reminder - schools are not ‘opening’ - they have never closed.
Teachers have, according to the twerp who is Education Secretary worked ‘above and beyond’. Sadly not just quite enough to warrant being vaccinated so that they can continue to do so.
I should point out that, not only to I have a family member who is a teacher but also that I worked in schools (not as a teacher but as a secretary) for over twenty years so I’ve seen it all and there aren’t many who don’t work as hard as they can for their pupils.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 18:01:16 GMT 1
It equates to the old adage of "Those that can't do...teach" and those that know little of teaching....criticise. I echo everything that Neilsalop says of his experience, as mine was virtually identical.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 18:11:51 GMT 1
If teaching is such a cushy number, why didn't Severnaside and Downie make a career of it? Failed their dbs checks 😝 Now Pilch, that's a very low blow and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm sure that what society has with Downie and Severnaside is two fine upstanding members.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 26, 2021 10:34:43 GMT 1
i would assumre most people know this already but just in case.iv put my clothes that i wear if out on 60c wash all through this; from the shropshire star Dr Laird, head of the Infectious Disease Research Group at DMU, said: “When the pandemic first started there was very little understanding of how long coronavirus could survive on textiles. “Our findings show that three of the most commonly used textiles in healthcare pose a risk for transmission of the virus.
“If nurses and healthcare workers take their uniforms home, they could be leaving traces of the virus on other surfaces.”
She continued: “Once we had determined the survival rate of coronavirus on each of the textiles, we turned our attention to identifying the most reliable wash method for removing the virus.
“While we can see from the research that washing these materials at a high temperature, even in a domestic washing machine, does remove the virus, it does not eliminate the risk of the contaminated clothing leaving traces of coronavirus on other surfaces in the home or car before they are washed.
“We now know that the virus can survive for up to 72 hours on some textiles and that it can transfer to other surfaces too."
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 26, 2021 11:15:23 GMT 1
So the pandemic is down to the calls for us to wash at 30 degrees then? Sad that some of our energy saving might not be good for us - seems to be the same with draught proofing, when what's good for us is a healthy dose of fresh air clearing out virus particles.
I understand a Shrewsbury River Severn hydro-electris scheme is back on the table, could be a good idea?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 26, 2021 11:15:31 GMT 1
my daughter is a paramedic down in the south and they have been using respirator hoods which gives htem the best level of protection against covid related calls. so this is good news for them,this is thee west midland ambulance service wearing the hood and a fluid repellent overall
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Post by northwestman on Feb 27, 2021 10:53:15 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Feb 27, 2021 11:54:26 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 27, 2021 12:41:33 GMT 1
So, school children will all return on 8th March and they will all take the lateral flow test 3 times in the first two weeks. For an average secondary school of 1000 pupils that's 3000 tests, which school staff will process in batches and get results from in 30 minutes. That's an awful lot of time to be taken up just running tests. I predict that not much school work will get done in those first two weeks - probably just tests to see what level the students are at after online working (some of those not doing too well with online learning are alrerady back in the classroom with the essential worker's kids).
Would seem to indicate that schools are going to very stop-start for a week or two. One genuine or false positive with the lateral flow testing and there will be self isolation of classes/year groups, etc.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 27, 2021 17:02:44 GMT 1
a serious cause for alarm ( this should have been blocked)but then virgin health care has won health contracts for a number of services
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 27, 2021 17:04:50 GMT 1
So, school children will all return on 8th March and they will all take the lateral flow test 3 times in the first two weeks. For an average secondary school of 1000 pupils that's 3000 tests, which school staff will process in batches and get results from in 30 minutes. That's an awful lot of time to be taken up just running tests. I predict that not much school work will get done in those first two weeks - probably just tests to see what level the students are at after online working (some of those not doing too well with online learning are alrerady back in the classroom with the essential worker's kids). Would seem to indicate that schools are going to very stop-start for a week or two. One genuine or false positive with the lateral flow testing and there will be self isolation of classes/year groups, etc. i hope it works but i feel the infection rates are to high for a full return they should have waited untill either the levels came down a lot more or more people have been vaccinated.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 27, 2021 21:35:24 GMT 1
we need to keep this up but then we know any nice weather and far too many people will ignore hte guidance. 7,434 new cases 290 deaths
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 27, 2021 23:32:10 GMT 1
we need to keep this up but then we know any nice weather and far too many people will ignore hte guidance. 7,434 new cases 290 deaths Plus the "1st dosers" will be thinking "Had jab a few weeks ago, the antibodies should be built up, off I go". Just watch out for some sneaky variant negating all that vaccination hard work.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 28, 2021 11:16:07 GMT 1
good news for us and it should give peace of mind to anyone worried by EU news storys from the mail "A single jab of either Pfizer or Oxford-AstraZenca vaccine is giving 90 PER CENT protection in huge boost to Britain's world-beating rollout... but don't tell Merkel and Macron that the Oxford one works better on over-70s A single shot of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine reduces hospitalisation by more than 90 per cent Scientists using real world data from the NHS vaccination programme show the effectiveness of the jabs The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is being shunned by millions of people across the European Union French President Emmanuel Macron claimed the Oxford vaccine was ‘quasi-ineffective’ for over-65s
Just one vaccine shot reduces the risk of being hospitalised by Covid-19 by more than 90 per cent, according to stunning new findings.Public health officials have told Ministers that the remarkable results apply for both the Pfizer and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, with the British jab proving slightly more effective."
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 28, 2021 11:28:39 GMT 1
we need to keep this up but then we know any nice weather and far too many people will ignore hte guidance. 7,434 new cases 290 deaths Plus the "1st dosers" will be thinking "Had jab a few weeks ago, the antibodies should be built up, off I go". Just watch out for some sneaky variant negating all that vaccination hard work. That's precisely why I have and will continue to call for the pharmaceutical companies to licence the vaccines for worldwide production. If the whole world isn't protected, none of us are really, because the more variants that crop up the higher chance of really nasty and resistant strain coming about and then we're back to square one.
I suppose that the pharma companies wouldn't be too disappointed though, because more variants mean more vaccines and more profits. Of course that could be the cynic coming out in me, but what other reason could they have for withholding it?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 11:30:16 GMT 1
So, school children will all return on 8th March and they will all take the lateral flow test 3 times in the first two weeks. For an average secondary school of 1000 pupils that's 3000 tests, which school staff will process in batches and get results from in 30 minutes. That's an awful lot of time to be taken up just running tests. I predict that not much school work will get done in those first two weeks - probably just tests to see what level the students are at after online working (some of those not doing too well with online learning are alrerady back in the classroom with the essential worker's kids). Would seem to indicate that schools are going to very stop-start for a week or two. One genuine or false positive with the lateral flow testing and there will be self isolation of classes/year groups, etc. Schools have been open and tests carried out throughout the pandemic. I was talking to a TA at Meole Academy (secondary modern in old language) who’d been working at the test centre at that school which only tests staff and pupils.... they’re all geared up👍 Not sure about other schools?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 11:33:01 GMT 1
A single jab of either Pfizer or Oxford-AstraZenca vaccine is giving 90 PER CENT protection in huge boost to Britain's world-beating rollout... but don't tell Merkel and Macron that the Oxford one works better on over-70s A single shot of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine reduces hospitalisation by more than 90 per cent Scientists using real world data from the NHS vaccination programme show the effectiveness of the jabs The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is being shunned by millions of people across the European Union French President Emmanuel Macron claimed the Oxford vaccine was ‘quasi-ineffective’ for over-65s Just one vaccine shot reduces the risk of being hospitalised by Covid-19 by more than 90 per cent, according to stunning new findings.Public health officials have told Ministers that the remarkable results apply for both the Pfizer and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, with the British jab proving slightly more effective." 🤫 don’t tell the bloody foreigners
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 28, 2021 14:05:17 GMT 1
considering how well new zealand have done this is a set back, they have only just started vaccinating , they do seem to do very well in tracking the cases but considering the high profile news coverage it does seem baffling that this person did not behave more responsibly www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/new-zealands-auckland-in-lockdown-for-second-time-in-a-month"New Zealand’s largest city, Auckland, began its second lockdown in a month on Sunday as health authorities try to contain a cluster of the more contagious coronavirus variant first identified in the United Kingdom. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the measure late on Saturday, after a new coronavirus case was located in the community which could not directly be linked to earlier cases. The case involved a 21-year-old student who had been infectious for a week but had not been in isolation. “Despite our best efforts to date, recent cases have gone to work when they shouldn’t have,” Ardern told a televised news conference. “It is more than likely there will be additional cases in the community.”
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 14:39:18 GMT 1
Did anyone listen to the "Today" programme the other day, when a SAGE expert, Professor Anthony Horden, was reported to have saisafeed that it will not be safe to hug one's grandchildren quite yet, even after vaccination, because the vaccination is "not necessarily 100% effective"? Now this man is highly-qualified, and has more letters after his name than there are in the alphabet, it seems, but, if his comment has been accurately reported, I think that this is not only a matter of "moving the goalposts", leading to a continuation of restrictions, but also scientifically misleading at best, insofar as NO vaccination has ever been 100% effective, nor can be. It serves to prove that one can be medically and scientifically highly intelligent and qualified, yet be simultaneously dim-witted, and frankly I don't care how many qualifications he has - if he did make that comment, he is a fool! I was so ired by the report that I prepared an email, but didn't send it in the end. Whether he intended it or not, at first glance, the non-qualified amongst the general public, are likely to infer that, in the circumstance outlined, vaccination is a waste of time, until the impossible 100% is achieved; net result: reduced take-up of the programme.. Have I misjudged the matter??
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 14:45:15 GMT 1
considering how well new zealand have done this is a set back, they have only just started vaccinating , they do seem to do very well in tracking the cases but considering the high profile news coverage it does seem baffling that this person did not behave more responsibly www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/new-zealands-auckland-in-lockdown-for-second-time-in-a-month"New Zealand’s largest city, Auckland, began its second lockdown in a month on Sunday as health authorities try to contain a cluster of the more contagious coronavirus variant first identified in the United Kingdom. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the measure late on Saturday, after a new coronavirus case was located in the community which could not directly be linked to earlier cases. The case involved a 21-year-old student who had been infectious for a week but had not been in isolation. “Despite our best efforts to date, recent cases have gone to work when they shouldn’t have,” Ardern told a televised news conference. “It is more than likely there will be additional cases in the community.” One of the reasons they’ve done so well is that they do lock down when there’s only a hand full of cases. We tend to wait until there’s 1000 a day dying and hospitals are filling up. Obvious to all In September based on new variant and the escalation in other EU countries we were going to have a very tough winter...The only way out for us was vaccination due to the fact it was allowed to spread freely for too long. NZ are all but on top of it so vaccination not so vital. Only had 2376 cases and 26 deaths in total.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2021 14:47:56 GMT 1
Did anyone listen to the "Today" programme the other day, when a SAGE expert, Professor Anthony Horden, was reported to have saisafeed that it will not be safe to hug one's grandchildren quite yet, even after vaccination, because the vaccination is "not necessarily 100% effective"? Now this man is highly-qualified, and has more letters after his name than there are in the alphabet, it seems, but, if his comment has been accurately reported, I think that this is not only a matter of "moving the goalposts", leading to a continuation of restrictions, but also scientifically misleading at best, insofar as NO vaccination has ever been 100% effective, nor can be. It serves to prove that one can be medically and scientifically highly intelligent and qualified, yet be simultaneously dim-witted, and frankly I don't care how many qualifications he has - if he did make that comment, he is a fool! I was so ired by the report that I prepared an email, but didn't send it in the end. Whether he intended it or not, at first glance, the non-qualified amongst the general public, are likely to infer that, in the circumstance outlined, vaccination is a waste of time, until the impossible 100% is achieved; net result: reduced take-up of the programme.. Have I misjudged the matter?? i've got more letters in my bag that he has after his name, but if a vaccine is said to have a 90% success rate that means its not 100% safe
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 14:55:21 GMT 1
Did anyone listen to the "Today" programme the other day, when a SAGE expert, Professor Anthony Horden, was reported to have saisafeed that it will not be safe to hug one's grandchildren quite yet, even after vaccination, because the vaccination is "not necessarily 100% effective"? I didn’t hear it but he’s absolutely right..... Lockdown still in place. Very few have had 2 doses. Many haven’t had vaccine for 3 weeks or more. Still high infection rate in the community (over 100 per 100,000) ... If you go out today there’s large family groups mixing thinking it safe cos Granny and Grandpa have been vaccinated The Prof is saying not yet.... If he said you can never hug your GC again I’d be shocked but if he said don’t hug you GC yet even after vaccination it’s for the reason above I’d think.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 15:00:44 GMT 1
Did anyone listen to the "Today" programme the other day, when a SAGE expert, Professor Anthony Horden, was reported to have saisafeed that it will not be safe to hug one's grandchildren quite yet, even after vaccination, because the vaccination is "not necessarily 100% effective"? Now this man is highly-qualified, and has more letters after his name than there are in the alphabet, it seems, but, if his comment has been accurately reported, I think that this is not only a matter of "moving the goalposts", leading to a continuation of restrictions, but also scientifically misleading at best, insofar as NO vaccination has ever been 100% effective, nor can be. It serves to prove that one can be medically and scientifically highly intelligent and qualified, yet be simultaneously dim-witted, and frankly I don't care how many qualifications he has - if he did make that comment, he is a fool! I was so ired by the report that I prepared an email, but didn't send it in the end. Whether he intended it or not, at first glance, the non-qualified amongst the general public, are likely to infer that, in the circumstance outlined, vaccination is a waste of time, until the impossible 100% is achieved; net result: reduced take-up of the programme.. Have I misjudged the matter?? i've got more letters in my bag that he has after his name, but if a vaccine is said to have a 90% success rate that means its not 100% safe True, of course, but to imply, accidentally or otherwise, that the desired "safety" must await 100% effectiveness is stupidity of the highest order, and such "experts" should be locked away, as the only way of saving us from their nonsensical pronouncements.. But, again, I ask in all seriousness, do I misjudge him? I hope that the number of letters in your bag does not exceed the prescribed weight limits! 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 28, 2021 15:08:19 GMT 1
Did anyone listen to the "Today" programme the other day, when a SAGE expert, Professor Anthony Horden, was reported to have saisafeed that it will not be safe to hug one's grandchildren quite yet, even after vaccination, because the vaccination is "not necessarily 100% effective"? I didn’t hear it but he’s absolutely right..... Lockdown still in place. Very few have had 2 doses. Many haven’t had vaccine for 3 weeks or more. Still high infection rate in the community (over 100 per 100,000) ... If you go out today there’s large family groups mixing thinking it safe cos Granny and Grandpa have been vaccinated The Prof is saying not yet.... If he said you can never hug your GC again I’d be shocked but if he said don’t hug you GC yet even after vaccination it’s for the reason above I’d think. Indeed, and you make my point perfectly: "not yet", but strongly implying that we must wait for the (unachievable) 100% effectiveness: QED, we can NEVER, ever again, hug our grandchildren. That cannot be "right" at all.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 15:49:12 GMT 1
I didn’t hear it but he’s absolutely right..... Lockdown still in place. Very few have had 2 doses. Many haven’t had vaccine for 3 weeks or more. Still high infection rate in the community (over 100 per 100,000) ... If you go out today there’s large family groups mixing thinking it safe cos Granny and Grandpa have been vaccinated The Prof is saying not yet.... If he said you can never hug your GC again I’d be shocked but if he said don’t hug you GC yet even after vaccination it’s for the reason above I’d think. Indeed, and you make my point perfectly: "not yet", but strongly implying that we must wait for the (unachievable) 100% effectiveness: QED, we can NEVER, ever again, hug our grandchildren. That cannot be "right" at all. Difficult to know what he implied without hearing it. The strong message should be not yet. We won’t need 100% protection when the rate in the community is very low. vaccination plus low infection rate = safe to hug. Ill try and find it listen later
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 28, 2021 15:53:05 GMT 1
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