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Post by mattmw on Feb 25, 2021 10:04:44 GMT 1
Whilst the government announcements this week were sensible overall, I think Johnson’s suggestion they are “irreversible” was unwise, and can’t see why he said it with no guarantee he can deliver on it
All things considered the situation will be much better by the autumn, but it’s unlikely to be a smooth constant improvement, there may need to be short times where restrictions come back in, or local areas get local lock downs again. That shouldn’t be seen as a failure, more a logical way of dealing with changes along the way
Events in the summer can start planning now, but still a lot of uncertainty whether they will all go ahead and we shouldn’t get too upset if they have to cancel at late notice
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 10:18:54 GMT 1
per 100,000 and shropshire have higher number per 100,000 than telford.
143.6 Shropshire 174.4 West Mids 132.4 England
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 10:20:50 GMT 1
i mentioned before that Canada that a big problem with vaccine supplys ,it has ordered 152 miliion doses of various vaccines and has reacently ordered 20 million more doses from moderna ,this for a country that has a population of 37 and half million people. but they had a number of supply issues , President biden prioratized hte us for moderna so in the short term ment no supplys to canada, the other vaccine producers have had manufacturing problems. what this means they have only recived 2 million doses and have given nearly 1 million 600,000 vaccines.to give a state breakdown onterio has a population of nearly 15million and it has only been able to give 683,000 this is first and second jab to some elderly groups and health professionls; to give a uk comparison wales has a population of 3million 150,000 they have given 878,500 first vaccines and 60,000 have had both vaccinations. the contrast between them is staggering and let us hope that Canada can secure there orderd vaccines as soon as possible, let us hope our supplies of purchased vaccines continue and if we can get to a point were we have some surplus vaccines we help our canadian friends. www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker-how-many-people-in-canada-have-received-shots-1.5247509Main problem being that Canada does not have any factories making vaccines. yes and it has cost them derley as they at the mercy of the companies and as in the case of the US they can stop supplys ,which is a big concern for canada with the EU and pfizer.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 10:29:57 GMT 1
neil, if this was 200 years ago, you'd have been telling charles darwin what an idiot he was most of the ideas i had were on this very thread, here a few of my favourite squabbles here i suggested a strict lockdown oct 7th blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/100116/cornoavirus-intensifys-axing-gatherings-consider?page=130then on the thread about pm qs when i kept going on about facemasks you always appeared to say its the same ones screaming paranoia again and you were not on your own oh and how silly i was going on about the likes of bournemouth and a 2nd wave coming ''when i kept going on about facemasks you always appeared to say its the same ones screaming paranoia again''
You've obviously had a decent look through the thread and come up with quotes from some other posters, but you are accusing me, yet don't supply any evidence that I was 'screaming paranoia'. I can't say with any certainty without going back through all my posts or this entire thread, that I wasn't one of those people calling you paranoid, but if I was surely you would have a few choice quotes of mine to show everyone.
ETA Just had a quick run through May, July and October, as they are the months that the posts you have quoted are from, and I saw very few posts from myself and most of the ones I did find were taking aim at the government handling or lack thereof. Perhaps I missed the ones where I screamed about your paranoia and you could use your far superior technical skills to point them out to me. Obviously when you post them you will have a full and unreserved apology from me.
Maybe I was saving you the embarrassment again 😝 I’m a flat earther if I remember you right 🌍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 11:00:49 GMT 1
per 100,000 and shropshire have higher number per 100,000 than telford. 143.6 Shropshire 174.4 West Mids 132.4 England Not that it's a competition but according to the government's dashboard, Shropshire is 130.3 whilst Telford is 182.9
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 11:19:33 GMT 1
per 100,000 and shropshire have higher number per 100,000 than telford. 143.6 Shropshire 174.4 West Mids 132.4 England Not that it's a competition but according to the government's dashboard, Shropshire is 130.3 whilst Telford is 182.9 thank you im happy to be corrected the data was also taken from the dashboard but i must have not got on the latest link.it is still way to high,when german has a threshold of 35 per 100,000 before easing lockdown measuers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 11:32:25 GMT 1
Not that it's a competition but according to the government's dashboard, Shropshire is 130.3 whilst Telford is 182.9 thank you im happy to be corrected the data was also taken from the dashboard but i must have not got on the latest link.it is still way to high,when german has a threshold of 35 per 100,000 before easing lockdown measuers. It is high which is why we are not easing lockdown measures now
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Post by mattmw on Feb 25, 2021 11:37:54 GMT 1
This is a little bit geeky but is best “simple” explanation on the possible issues with the current vaccine programme and why the next few months are so important sms.cam.ac.uk/media/3436478Basically the key point of the modelling is that having a population with vaccinated vulnerable people but unvaccinated younger people is the most likely way to end up with a covid variant that current vaccines don't work on. Why monitoring the easing of lockdown, and possibly pausing it if cases rise is so important
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 11:39:14 GMT 1
per 100,000 and shropshire have higher number per 100,000 than telford. 143.6 Shropshire 174.4 West Mids 132.4 England Not that it's a competition but according to the government's dashboard, Shropshire is 130.3 whilst Telford is 182.9 According to the .gov site that I've just looked on the amount of deaths within 28 of a positive test are:
Telford & Wrekin 241 or 134/100,000
Shropshire 523 or 161/100,000
Both of these are terrible and we mustn't forget that these numbers represent real people dying, but it doesn't come close to showing the devastating effects those deaths have had on the families.
Neither area has been as badly hurt by this as some other places, such as Kent with 3,387 deaths or 242/100,000 or more locally Sandwell with 949 or a staggering 289/100,000.
Strangely the numbers for Telford and Shropshire with Covid on the death certificate are actually much lower at 185 or 57.3/100,000 for Shropshire and 88 or 48.9/100,000 for Telford.
I think the public inquiry when it eventually takes place is going to have a big job on its hands sorting out what is fact, what is fiction and what is a mix of the two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 11:57:18 GMT 1
Not that it's a competition but according to the government's dashboard, Shropshire is 130.3 whilst Telford is 182.9 According to the .gov site that I've just looked on the amount of deaths within 28 of a positive test are:
Telford & Wrekin 241 or 134/100,000
Shropshire 523 or 161/100,000
Both of these are terrible and we mustn't forget that these numbers represent real people dying, but it doesn't come close to showing the devastating effects those deaths have had on the families.
Neither area has been as badly hurt by this as some other places, such as Kent with 3,387 deaths or 242/100,000 or more locally Sandwell with 949 or a staggering 289/100,000.
Strangely the numbers for Telford and Shropshire with Covid on the death certificate are actually much lower at 185 or 57.3/100,000 for Shropshire and 88 or 48.9/100,000 for Telford.
I think the public inquiry when it eventually takes place is going to have a big job on its hands sorting out what is fact, what is fiction and what is a mix of the two.
Yep that was the link I was looking at too, the numbers I quoted were cases, rather than deaths. I think the key thing for me is everything is going in the right direction. As the vaccine roll out continues this should get even better and then it's all eyes on the middle of March to see the effects of school Shropshire Cases down 20% over last 7 days Deaths down 38% over last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 22% over the last 7 days Telford Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 31% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days England Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 30% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 12:00:46 GMT 1
''when i kept going on about facemasks you always appeared to say its the same ones screaming paranoia again''
You've obviously had a decent look through the thread and come up with quotes from some other posters, but you are accusing me, yet don't supply any evidence that I was 'screaming paranoia'. I can't say with any certainty without going back through all my posts or this entire thread, that I wasn't one of those people calling you paranoid, but if I was surely you would have a few choice quotes of mine to show everyone.
ETA Just had a quick run through May, July and October, as they are the months that the posts you have quoted are from, and I saw very few posts from myself and most of the ones I did find were taking aim at the government handling or lack thereof. Perhaps I missed the ones where I screamed about your paranoia and you could use your far superior technical skills to point them out to me. Obviously when you post them you will have a full and unreserved apology from me.
Maybe I was saving you the embarrassment again 😝 I’m a flat earther if I remember you right 🌍 Aw thanks for saving my blushes, I didn't know you cared . It's OK though, I've got broad shoulders I can take it, so when you find a post of mine criticising you for being cautious you just put it out there. I can take the embarrassment mate, honestly.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 12:06:11 GMT 1
According to the .gov site that I've just looked on the amount of deaths within 28 of a positive test are:
Telford & Wrekin 241 or 134/100,000
Shropshire 523 or 161/100,000
Both of these are terrible and we mustn't forget that these numbers represent real people dying, but it doesn't come close to showing the devastating effects those deaths have had on the families.
Neither area has been as badly hurt by this as some other places, such as Kent with 3,387 deaths or 242/100,000 or more locally Sandwell with 949 or a staggering 289/100,000.
Strangely the numbers for Telford and Shropshire with Covid on the death certificate are actually much lower at 185 or 57.3/100,000 for Shropshire and 88 or 48.9/100,000 for Telford.
I think the public inquiry when it eventually takes place is going to have a big job on its hands sorting out what is fact, what is fiction and what is a mix of the two.
Yep that was the link I was looking at too, the numbers I quoted were cases, rather than deaths. I think the key thing for me is everything is going in the right direction. As the vaccine roll out continues this should get even better and then it's all eyes on the middle of March to see the effects of school Shropshire Cases down 20% over last 7 days Deaths down 38% over last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 22% over the last 7 days Telford Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 31% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days England Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 30% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days I hope you're right, but I am still concerned about the school openings. Surely a phased or staggered re-opening would have been a safer option, but I guess they want to get a reasonably accurate idea of the figures before they commit to the next stage and having the schools back will allow that to happen.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 25, 2021 12:22:29 GMT 1
I think the precious leaders of the various teachers unions would be happy to see the schools closed for the remainder of 2021. They could then enjoy an even longer fully-paid holiday than they've already had.
Nice work for some.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 12:43:36 GMT 1
I think the precious leaders of the various teachers unions would be happy to see the schools closed for the remainder of 2021. They could then enjoy an even longer fully-paid holiday than they've already had. Nice work for some.
On Feb 19, 2021, Tory MP Philip Dunne said: “I commend the work of schools and teachers locally in providing quality education in very challenging circumstances throughout the pandemic. The government has rightly stepped in to provide those children most in need with access to the technology essential for remote learning".
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 12:49:47 GMT 1
Yep that was the link I was looking at too, the numbers I quoted were cases, rather than deaths. I think the key thing for me is everything is going in the right direction. As the vaccine roll out continues this should get even better and then it's all eyes on the middle of March to see the effects of school Shropshire Cases down 20% over last 7 days Deaths down 38% over last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 22% over the last 7 days Telford Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 31% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days England Cases down 14% over the last 7 days Deaths down 30% over the last 7 days Hospital Admissions down 20% over the last 7 days I hope you're right, but I am still concerned about the school openings. Surely a phased or staggered re-opening would have been a safer option, but I guess they want to get a reasonably accurate idea of the figures before they commit to the next stage and having the schools back will allow that to happen. opening schools to soon in my view is a big mistake, opening and letting them all go back at the same time is an even bigger mistake, germany will not look to reduce there lockdown till a region gets to 35 cases per 100,000 and we have nearly four times that levels in shropshire.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 12:52:30 GMT 1
I think the precious leaders of the various teachers unions would be happy to see the schools closed for the remainder of 2021. They could then enjoy an even longer fully-paid holiday than they've already had. Nice work for some. You really haven't got a clue have you? Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, many going into schools to teach vulnerable children and children of key workers some in different year groups with the extra challenges that in itself brings and still having to stick as closely as possible to the national curriculum. Of those that have been working from home they are having to try to engage children in their online classes and still make time for those that are struggling with either poor internet connectivity, poor availability of somewhere to do their work undisturbed and those that just can't keep up and they're doing this without being able to put their arm around the kids and tell them that they are getting it. Could you do it? I very much doubt it. The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. My daughter works as a teaching assistant in Nottinghamshire and has been in every single day that she has been required to. I know for a fact that she would have worked less hours during normal times. Because she has kids of her own they have both been in school for most of the lockdown periods, but she has had to work almost full time hours and still go home and help them with their school work. She will be glad to get the schools back to normal, so that she can get a breather.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 12:58:31 GMT 1
This is a little bit geeky but is best “simple” explanation on the possible issues with the current vaccine programme and why the next few months are so important sms.cam.ac.uk/media/3436478Basically the key point of the modelling is that having a population with vaccinated vulnerable people but unvaccinated younger people is the most likely way to end up with a covid variant that current vaccines don't work on. Why monitoring the easing of lockdown, and possibly pausing it if cases rise is so important it may be the reason for germanys much lower threshold before easing regional lockdowns this is 35 new cases per 100,000, whilst it is coming down Englands rate is still to high coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases116.4 per 100,000 uk england 119.9 per 100,000 wales is 78 new cases per 100,000 and is looking at delaying schools opening and a phased return
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 13:11:06 GMT 1
This is a little bit geeky but is best “simple” explanation on the possible issues with the current vaccine programme and why the next few months are so important sms.cam.ac.uk/media/3436478Basically the key point of the modelling is that having a population with vaccinated vulnerable people but unvaccinated younger people is the most likely way to end up with a covid variant that current vaccines don't work on. Why monitoring the easing of lockdown, and possibly pausing it if cases rise is so important it may be the reason for germanys much lower threshold before easing regional lockdowns this is 35 new cases per 100,000, whilst it is coming down Englands rate is still to high coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases116.4 per 100,000 uk england 119.9 per 100,000 wales is 78 new cases per 100,000 and is looking at delaying schools opening and a phased return School reopening is the bedrock of the whole plan, get that wrong and everythings up in the air again. Unfortunately, Gavin Welliamson is in charge, he has a history of being forced to change his mind due to circumstances everyone else had already foreseen. For example, last year's exam grades in Scotland were a complete mess, yet Williamson, having seen the mess and had the opportunity to delay England's results, still presided over England's results being a fiasco, only then trying to pick up the pieces. Scotland already has some children back at school and will stagger the return of the rest. We'll see how Williamson's return of all students on the same day goes and hope it doesn't derail the entire easing of lockdown plan.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 25, 2021 13:27:32 GMT 1
I think the precious leaders of the various teachers unions would be happy to see the schools closed for the remainder of 2021. They could then enjoy an even longer fully-paid holiday than they've already had. Nice work for some. You really haven't got a clue have you? Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, many going into schools to teach vulnerable children and children of key workers some in different year groups with the extra challenges that in itself brings and still having to stick as closely as possible to the national curriculum. Of those that have been working from home they are having to try to engage children in their online classes and still make time for those that are struggling with either poor internet connectivity, poor availability of somewhere to do their work undisturbed and those that just can't keep up and they're doing this without being able to put their arm around the kids and tell them that they are getting it. Could you do it? I very much doubt it. The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. My daughter works as a teaching assistant in Nottinghamshire and has been in every single day that she has been required to. I know for a fact that she would have worked less hours during normal times. Because she has kids of her own they have both been in school for most of the lockdown periods, but she has had to work almost full time hours and still go home and help them with their school work. She will be glad to get the schools back to normal, so that she can get a breather. You've personally checked 'nearly every single teacher' have you? The ones I know have largely done bugger all for the last half year or so.....all on full pay of course. As for the wonderful teachers unions, pupil welfare has always come well down their list of priorities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:49:16 GMT 1
Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. Hmm, not really a very high bar from the outset there is it........
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2021 13:59:20 GMT 1
I think the precious leaders of the various teachers unions would be happy to see the schools closed for the remainder of 2021. They could then enjoy an even longer fully-paid holiday than they've already had. Nice work for some. You really haven't got a clue have you? Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, many going into schools to teach vulnerable children and children of key workers some in different year groups with the extra challenges that in itself brings and still having to stick as closely as possible to the national curriculum. Of those that have been working from home they are having to try to engage children in their online classes and still make time for those that are struggling with either poor internet connectivity, poor availability of somewhere to do their work undisturbed and those that just can't keep up and they're doing this without being able to put their arm around the kids and tell them that they are getting it. Could you do it? I very much doubt it. The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. My daughter works as a teaching assistant in Nottinghamshire and has been in every single day that she has been required to. I know for a fact that she would have worked less hours during normal times. Because she has kids of her own they have both been in school for most of the lockdown periods, but she has had to work almost full time hours and still go home and help them with their school work. She will be glad to get the schools back to normal, so that she can get a breather. very comenable and all credit to your daughter, my nephew has been working through this whole pandemic in a school for children with sever behavioural problems ,he has only stioped twice both times due to having to isolate as a teacher had coivid , then a pupil had covid.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2021 14:16:39 GMT 1
You really haven't got a clue have you? Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, many going into schools to teach vulnerable children and children of key workers some in different year groups with the extra challenges that in itself brings and still having to stick as closely as possible to the national curriculum. Of those that have been working from home they are having to try to engage children in their online classes and still make time for those that are struggling with either poor internet connectivity, poor availability of somewhere to do their work undisturbed and those that just can't keep up and they're doing this without being able to put their arm around the kids and tell them that they are getting it. Could you do it? I very much doubt it. The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. My daughter works as a teaching assistant in Nottinghamshire and has been in every single day that she has been required to. I know for a fact that she would have worked less hours during normal times. Because she has kids of her own they have both been in school for most of the lockdown periods, but she has had to work almost full time hours and still go home and help them with their school work. She will be glad to get the schools back to normal, so that she can get a breather. You've personally checked 'nearly every single teacher' have you? The ones I know have largely done bugger all for the last half year or so.....all on full pay of course. As for the wonderful teachers unions, pupil welfare has always come well down their list of priorities. Strange statement, you must know some very lazy teachers. 3 of my neighbours are teachers and have been in work the whole time. I’ve got 9 Grand Children and 2 have been in school the whole time as mums a student welfare officer in school and works every school day (oh most teachers have been in too) The other 5 have been at home being taught by teachers in school splitting time between teaching Key Workers kids (around 40% in some schools) and lock down kids on line) 2 are under school age and have been in nursery full time since Jan and most of last year. I also walk past 3 primary schools daily and the car parks are full. As for teachers unions not prioritising pupil welfare, plenty of others are responsible for that and I’m sure the union policies include the welfare of students but they concentrate on teachers conditions (the clues in the name)
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 14:26:03 GMT 1
Nearly every single teacher in the country has worked harder through the various lockdowns and school closures than they ever have, The unions that you so despise are trying to look out for the well-being of their members, so that they don't get ill and can continue doing their best for their pupils and can go back to face to face teaching with confidence that they will be able to get these kids over the line and ready for the next step in their education. Hmm, not really a very high bar from the outset there is it........ When going down the Severnaside path I think you have to ask yourself: Could I, and would I want to, teach a class of thirty 5 year olds or even teenagers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 14:32:03 GMT 1
Hmm, not really a very high bar from the outset there is it........ When going down the Severnaside path I think you have to ask yourself: Could I, and would I want to, teach a class of thirty 5 year olds or even teenagers? For clarity, I applaud the majority of teachers who since the pandemic has started have shown great adaptability and worked hard to ensure the Children who want to learn have been, by and large, to some extent been able to do so. My point was that from a profession that has 13 weeks holiday and a 6.5 hour working day, for them to work harder than they have ever done before is a relatively low threshold.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 14:43:56 GMT 1
When going down the Severnaside path I think you have to ask yourself: Could I, and would I want to, teach a class of thirty 5 year olds or even teenagers? For clarity, I applaud the majority of teachers who since the pandemic has started have shown great adaptability and worked hard to ensure the Children who want to learn have been, by and large, to some extent been able to do so. My point was that from a profession that has 13 weeks holiday and a 6.5 hour working day, for them to work harder than they have ever done before is a relatively low threshold. I'm no expert, but isn't that 6.5 hours customer facing plus as many hours as it takes to mark student's work and prepare the next day's lessons? Don't they also have time in their contracts out of school term to prepare?
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 14:46:36 GMT 1
When going down the Severnaside path I think you have to ask yourself: Could I, and would I want to, teach a class of thirty 5 year olds or even teenagers? For clarity, I applaud the majority of teachers who since the pandemic has started have shown great adaptability and worked hard to ensure the Children who want to learn have been, by and large, to some extent been able to do so. My point was that from a profession that has 13 weeks holiday and a 6.5 hour working day, for them to work harder than they have ever done before is a relatively low threshold. Do you seriously think that teachers stop work the minute they set foot outside of the school gate? They go home and work on lesson plans, mark homework, etc. They spend up to 4 weeks of the summer holiday working (perhaps not their full hours) on how they are going to set up for the coming school year, finding out about who they will have in their classes and what special requirements are going to be needed for certain pupils and making sure that they are in place before the start of term, among many other tasks that are needed before they go back in September.
If the job is so easy why are there shortages of teachers, why are so many teachers taking early retirement or quitting after less than two years in the profession?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 15:12:13 GMT 1
For clarity, I applaud the majority of teachers who since the pandemic has started have shown great adaptability and worked hard to ensure the Children who want to learn have been, by and large, to some extent been able to do so. My point was that from a profession that has 13 weeks holiday and a 6.5 hour working day, for them to work harder than they have ever done before is a relatively low threshold. I'm no expert, but isn't that 6.5 hours customer facing plus as many hours as it takes to mark student's work and prepare the next day's lessons? Don't they also have time in their contracts out of school term to prepare?
Oh, sorry i forgot the half hour break at 10 then the lunch hour, but suppose thats when they do a lot of the marking.... :-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 15:22:46 GMT 1
I'm no expert, but isn't that 6.5 hours customer facing plus as many hours as it takes to mark student's work and prepare the next day's lessons? Don't they also have time in their contracts out of school term to prepare?
Oh, sorry i forgot the half hour break at 10 then the lunch hour, but suppose thats when they do a lot of the marking.... :-) In my day that was when they did a lot of the smoking That staff room was a foul mix of the aroma of tobacco, from Embassy to old Sh** - and that was just the music teacher!
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