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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2020 20:28:59 GMT 1
Has anyone downloaded the NHS Covid-19 app today out of interest? My postcode area, CH3 is a MEDIUM risk level at this moment. i installed it this morning, might save someones life
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 24, 2020 20:37:43 GMT 1
Has anyone downloaded the NHS Covid-19 app today out of interest? No I bloody haven't and neither will I. I don't trust this government/Serco to not sell my data. I hope I never have to take a test either, because I certainly don't trust them not to squirrel my DNA away for future use.
I'm no tinfoil hatter and I will do most things to protect myself, my loved ones and even Joe Public, but I am not putting my trust in that lot.
They save your DNA after s test.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 24, 2020 20:51:27 GMT 1
Has anyone downloaded the NHS Covid-19 app today out of interest? No I bloody haven't and neither will I. I don't trust this government/Serco to not sell my data. I hope I never have to take a test either, because I certainly don't trust them not to squirrel my DNA away for future use.
I'm no tinfoil hatter and I will do most things to protect myself, my loved ones and even Joe Public, but I am not putting my trust in that lot.
I feel pretty much the same way, but can't help out at my son's football team without it so with some regret will be downloading.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 24, 2020 21:07:21 GMT 1
No I bloody haven't and neither will I. I don't trust this government/Serco to not sell my data. I hope I never have to take a test either, because I certainly don't trust them not to squirrel my DNA away for future use.
I'm no tinfoil hatter and I will do most things to protect myself, my loved ones and even Joe Public, but I am not putting my trust in that lot.
I feel pretty much the same way, but can't help out at my son's football team without it so with some regret will be downloading. Goodbye free choice!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:34:11 GMT 1
Any self respecting and mature person will undoubtedly download, not worried who knows what about me, my life is not really that interesting to anyone but me and my family....., probably my health and virus state will save someone else’s life though
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 25, 2020 2:00:46 GMT 1
It doesn't pose the same privacy issues as the world beating app that didn't work. It's thirsy on the battery though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 5:57:28 GMT 1
Any self respecting and mature person will undoubtedly download, not worried who knows what about me, my life is not really that interesting to anyone but me and my family....., probably my health and virus state will save someone else’s life though Agree with Thatchers Spawn. I’ve no money to pinch and any MI5 operative watching my movements is going to get bored s**tless pretty quick 👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 6:46:02 GMT 1
I have downloaded the app.
I believe from my line manager that I will have to anyway.
Sean's right though, drains the battery li
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Post by northwestman on Sept 25, 2020 10:03:12 GMT 1
Having opposed the 10pm curfew and seemingly helped to water down the restrictions announced on Tuesday, "hawkish" Mr Sunak could not have made himself clearer as he concluded his statement by saying we "must learn to live with" the virus and "live without fear".
Pointing out that "the price our country is paying is wider" than the coronavirus death toll, he added: "As we think about the next few weeks and months, we need to bear all those costs in mind."
Tory MPs have interpreted this as not only a message to disgruntled backbenchers but also to Mr Johnson himself as he continues to be accused of being "held hostage" by Sage (the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies).
Following their doomsday scenario of 50,000 infections a day by mid-October, some mischievous Conservatives have even taken to nicknaming the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, and the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, "Witless and Unbalanced".
As one senior parliamentarian put it: "What Rishi said was a slap in the face to [Health Secretary] Matt Hancock and the scaremongering scientists and a nod to the PM. The message was clear – we cannot gamble any further with the economy."
Naturally, some Tories also see it as Number 11 "standing up" to Dominic Cummings, who they blame for Downing Street's over-cautious approach.
"He's the one spreading this climate of fear," said one, amid suggestions it was the PM's chief adviser who suggested he add the line to his Tuesday statement about involving the military. "He wants people to be scared."
Which may go some way to explaining why Mr Johnson spent most of Thursday listing the different fines people face for breaking the rules. "A £200 fine for not wearing a mask, a £10,000 fine if you organise a gathering of more than 30," he said, before admitting: "Nobody wants these fines in place. We are a freedom-loving country."
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 10:11:03 GMT 1
I have downloaded the app. I believe from my line manager that I will have to anyway. Sean's right though, drains the battery li It won’t be long before a cheap stand alone device is produced that specifically does this job
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 10:20:24 GMT 1
Any self respecting and mature person will undoubtedly download, not worried who knows what about me, my life is not really that interesting to anyone but me and my family....., probably my health and virus state will save someone else’s life though Very public spirited, but will your resolve be tested if you are told to self isolate for 14 days from the time of contact, by law, maybe more than once?
We need a test that can cut the 14 day isolation time down. In the Stone pub outbreak, a pop-up test facility was provided, anyone who went to that pub that weekend was asked to go for a test. Around 600 did, 21 tested positive. The problem now, with tests only available for those with symptoms, is that, maybe, two or three hundred people would have come up on the app as contacts and 200 or 300 would have had to self isolate for a fortnight, it's going to have a hell of an effect on local life, especially if one of those develops symptoms and all their contacts then have to self isolate.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 10:22:15 GMT 1
I have downloaded the app. I believe from my line manager that I will have to anyway. Sean's right though, drains the battery li It won’t be long before a cheap stand alone device is produced that specifically does this job Like they have in Singapore?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 10:40:48 GMT 1
Having opposed the 10pm curfew and seemingly helped to water down the restrictions announced on Tuesday, "hawkish" Mr Sunak could not have made himself clearer as he concluded his statement by saying we "must learn to live with" the virus and "live without fear". Pointing out that "the price our country is paying is wider" than the coronavirus death toll, he added: "As we think about the next few weeks and months, we need to bear all those costs in mind." Tory MPs have interpreted this as not only a message to disgruntled backbenchers but also to Mr Johnson himself as he continues to be accused of being "held hostage" by Sage (the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies). Following their doomsday scenario of 50,000 infections a day by mid-October, some mischievous Conservatives have even taken to nicknaming the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, and the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, "Witless and Unbalanced". As one senior parliamentarian put it: "What Rishi said was a slap in the face to [Health Secretary] Matt Hancock and the scaremongering scientists and a nod to the PM. The message was clear – we cannot gamble any further with the economy." Naturally, some Tories also see it as Number 11 "standing up" to Dominic Cummings, who they blame for Downing Street's over-cautious approach. "He's the one spreading this climate of fear," said one, amid suggestions it was the PM's chief adviser who suggested he add the line to his Tuesday statement about involving the military. "He wants people to be scared." Which may go some way to explaining why Mr Johnson spent most of Thursday listing the different fines people face for breaking the rules. "A £200 fine for not wearing a mask, a £10,000 fine if you organise a gathering of more than 30," he said, before admitting: "Nobody wants these fines in place. We are a freedom-loving country." Daily Telegraph. Sunak may not be actually working against Boris, he just talks more sense naturally.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 10:43:19 GMT 1
It won’t be long before a cheap stand alone device is produced that specifically does this job Like they have in Singapore?
yes, exactly that, should have known the far east would already be knocking them out
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Post by northwestman on Sept 25, 2020 10:47:01 GMT 1
Naturally, some Tories also see it as Number 11 "standing up" to Dominic Cummings, who they blame for Downing Street's over-cautious approach. "He's the one spreading this climate of fear," said one, amid suggestions it was the PM's chief adviser who suggested he add the line to his Tuesday statement about involving the military. "He wants people to be scared." Which may go some way to explaining why Mr Johnson spent most of Thursday listing the different fines people face for breaking the rules. "A £200 fine for not wearing a mask, a £10,000 fine if you organise a gathering of more than 30," he said, before admitting: "Nobody wants these fines in place. We are a freedom-loving country." Daily Telegraph. Sunak may not be actually working against Boris, he just talks more sense naturally. This is what I'm more concerned about. Cummings running everything.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 10:58:06 GMT 1
Like they have in Singapore? yes, exactly that, should have known the far east would already be knocking them out It's a shame Dido isn't on the ball enough to have these in place - in Singapore they are available free to everyone over the age of seven.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 25, 2020 11:12:56 GMT 1
yes, exactly that, should have known the far east would already be knocking them out It's a shame Dido isn't on the ball enough to have these in place - in Singapore they are available free to everyone over the age of seven. a simple and cheap solution , considering the billions we have wasted we should stop and accept it is rubbish and buy this
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 25, 2020 11:16:55 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 11:25:18 GMT 1
It's a shame Dido isn't on the ball enough to have these in place - in Singapore they are available free to everyone over the age of seven. a simple and cheap solution , considering the billions we have wasted we should stop and accept it is rubbish and buy this in singapore, you'll probably vanish for having an opinion like yours ;-)
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Post by northwestman on Sept 25, 2020 12:08:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 12:33:52 GMT 1
No I bloody haven't and neither will I. I don't trust this government/Serco to not sell my data. I hope I never have to take a test either, because I certainly don't trust them not to squirrel my DNA away for future use.
I'm no tinfoil hatter and I will do most things to protect myself, my loved ones and even Joe Public, but I am not putting my trust in that lot.
I feel pretty much the same way, but can't help out at my son's football team without it so with some regret will be downloading. Same, there was a 5 live phone in that they couldn't rule out having 2 buses parked next to each other one bus has it they other doesn't but you get told you have been exposed because of the bluetooth signal. Any app has the potential to be hacked and with the google/apple maps on i don't trust that they wouldn't be able to know who you are. Data is key and if Russia or China find out the statistics this could pose another treat if something else like this happened e.g. chemical fall out or biological attack showing how people in Britain can spread it quickly or slowly. I have been shot down for saying this so I expect someone will say something that could change my mind but this is how i feel about it at the moment.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 25, 2020 12:43:20 GMT 1
I feel pretty much the same way, but can't help out at my son's football team without it so with some regret will be downloading. Same, there was a 5 live phone in that they couldn't rule out having 2 buses parked next to each other one bus has it they other doesn't but you get told you have been exposed because of the bluetooth signal. Any app has the potential to be hacked and with the google/apple maps on i don't trust that they wouldn't be able to know who you are. Data is key and if Russia or China find out the statistics this could pose another treat if something else like this happened e.g. chemical fall out or biological attack showing how people in Britain can spread it quickly or slowly. I have been shot down for saying this so I expect someone will say something that could change my mind but this is how i feel about it at the moment. For me it's no so much conspiracy type theories, it's just that Boris wants me to down load this and for as long as I breathe on this earth I'll never voluntarily do anything a conservative politician asks me to do, if I have a free choice in the matter. With some regret therefore but it would be my son suffering if I was so stubborn so will sort it out.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 13:43:56 GMT 1
I feel pretty much the same way, but can't help out at my son's football team without it so with some regret will be downloading. Same, there was a 5 live phone in that they couldn't rule out having 2 buses parked next to each other one bus has it they other doesn't but you get told you have been exposed because of the bluetooth signal. Any app has the potential to be hacked and with the google/apple maps on i don't trust that they wouldn't be able to know who you are. Data is key and if Russia or China find out the statistics this could pose another treat if something else like this happened e.g. chemical fall out or biological attack showing how people in Britain can spread it quickly or slowly. I have been shot down for saying this so I expect someone will say something that could change my mind but this is how i feel about it at the moment. dont you need to be close for 15 mins ? they didnt need to create an unlikely scenario, this could happen with you and a neighbor this could ultimately save lives, it wont kill anyone, every little helps
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Post by scooter on Sept 25, 2020 13:51:51 GMT 1
App wouldn’t download to my iphone
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 25, 2020 14:06:26 GMT 1
I downloaded the app and was forced to use it to check into the gym yesterday.
Yes they now have my data, but the vast majority of the apps downloaded on my phone (maps, social media, banking, streaming, gambling, gaming) will all have this anyway so it would seem somewhat hypocritical to play the data protection card now.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 25, 2020 14:29:15 GMT 1
App wouldn’t download to my iphone It won’t on mine either. I’m hoping someone will twig that there are many of us with older phones and produce an app that works on them. Either that or introduce these new things that Pilch has highlighted.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 25, 2020 14:31:02 GMT 1
Having opposed the 10pm curfew and seemingly helped to water down the restrictions announced on Tuesday, "hawkish" Mr Sunak could not have made himself clearer as he concluded his statement by saying we "must learn to live with" the virus and "live without fear". Pointing out that "the price our country is paying is wider" than the coronavirus death toll, he added: "As we think about the next few weeks and months, we need to bear all those costs in mind." Tory MPs have interpreted this as not only a message to disgruntled backbenchers but also to Mr Johnson himself as he continues to be accused of being "held hostage" by Sage (the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies). Following their doomsday scenario of 50,000 infections a day by mid-October, some mischievous Conservatives have even taken to nicknaming the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, and the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, "Witless and Unbalanced". As one senior parliamentarian put it: "What Rishi said was a slap in the face to [Health Secretary] Matt Hancock and the scaremongering scientists and a nod to the PM. The message was clear – we cannot gamble any further with the economy." Naturally, some Tories also see it as Number 11 "standing up" to Dominic Cummings, who they blame for Downing Street's over-cautious approach. "He's the one spreading this climate of fear," said one, amid suggestions it was the PM's chief adviser who suggested he add the line to his Tuesday statement about involving the military. "He wants people to be scared." Which may go some way to explaining why Mr Johnson spent most of Thursday listing the different fines people face for breaking the rules. "A £200 fine for not wearing a mask, a £10,000 fine if you organise a gathering of more than 30," he said, before admitting: "Nobody wants these fines in place. We are a freedom-loving country." Daily Telegraph. Childish name calling by ‘mischievous Conservatives’ , I’ve listened to the midday news which contained an ONS estimate of 9,600 cases a day as at 19th September. The BBC stats man stated that cases are doubling every 8/9 days. Admittedly my maths is bad, but I calculate that, if the trend continues, it results in over 70,000 daily cases by mid October. It’s the duty of scientific advisors to point this out and the duty of the government to mitigate the risk. As I have previously written, the possibility of 50k cases was advanced as a worse case if no action was taken.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 25, 2020 14:40:16 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 15:09:43 GMT 1
I have absolutely no faith at all in this government to respond in a controlled and measured way to this pandemic . Baroness Harding is to take over the running of the National Institute for Health Protection. This is the agency that takes over from Public Health England . Supposedly her wealth of relevant experience in health care was a major factor in her being appointed . Those reading this and asking themselves “ what experience “ don’t bother . Harding’s 15 strong NHS Test and Trace Executive Committee has just one clinician or public health expert sitting . The rest are from the world of retail and commerce . Her senior adviser comes from Talk Talk where Harding was chief executive . We all know how well Harding did at Talk Talk - she continues to show the same level of competence in her “ new roles .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 15:24:58 GMT 1
I downloaded the app an hour or so back and the battery has gone from 50 to 9%. Goodness, the battery isn't great at the best of times but it usually drops 10% an hour when in use. Now 7%.
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