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Post by Mortgagehound on Sept 25, 2020 15:37:25 GMT 1
I have just set up the bar code for my cricket club and app worked first time and recognised where it was.... Bravo
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 16:08:06 GMT 1
I have just set up the bar code for my cricket club and app worked first time and recognised where it was.... Bravo you need a script writer following on, No Boycott here, I have just run off a bar code for my cricket club and tested the app, it worked right off the bat and recognised where it was.... Howzat!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 17:42:10 GMT 1
Same, there was a 5 live phone in that they couldn't rule out having 2 buses parked next to each other one bus has it they other doesn't but you get told you have been exposed because of the bluetooth signal. Any app has the potential to be hacked and with the google/apple maps on i don't trust that they wouldn't be able to know who you are. Data is key and if Russia or China find out the statistics this could pose another treat if something else like this happened e.g. chemical fall out or biological attack showing how people in Britain can spread it quickly or slowly. I have been shot down for saying this so I expect someone will say something that could change my mind but this is how i feel about it at the moment. dont you need to be close for 15 mins ? they didnt need to create an unlikely scenario, this could happen with you and a neighbor this could ultimately save lives, it wont kill anyone, every little helps Good shout that, looks like your right that's one thing less to worry about "But you'll never get a notification if you haven't been close to someone who's had a positive test for at least 15 minutes." taken from sky news
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 25, 2020 17:44:42 GMT 1
I downloaded the app an hour or so back and the battery has gone from 50 to 9%. Goodness, the battery isn't great at the best of times but it usually drops 10% an hour when in use. Now 7%. I down loaded it at 10.30 this morning with 79% battery now 53% seems normal..... Perhaps it the special features on my Huawei?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Sept 25, 2020 19:25:17 GMT 1
It's a shame Dido isn't on the ball enough to have these in place - in Singapore they are available free to everyone over the age of seven. a simple and cheap solution , considering the billions we have wasted we should stop and accept it is rubbish and buy this Can’t use these unless there are Tory party donors involved with the manufacturers.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2020 22:24:16 GMT 1
a simple and cheap solution , considering the billions we have wasted we should stop and accept it is rubbish and buy this Can’t use these unless there are Tory party donors involved with the manufacturers. have you got a link for that ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 22:34:13 GMT 1
How can sport join the party?
Time to look for loopholes?
What happened to the bloke who credit for the Olympics, Lord Coe? Does he not have the ear of Boris? Someone needs to lobby for sports crowds.
By the way, are we supposed to be panic buying because of Covid, or a no deal Brexit?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 22:40:14 GMT 1
I downloaded the app an hour or so back and the battery has gone from 50 to 9%. Goodness, the battery isn't great at the best of times but it usually drops 10% an hour when in use. Now 7%. You won't be venturing far enough from your charger to have any contact with a positive case then. It could be a design feature.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 25, 2020 22:41:53 GMT 1
when i discovered the birmingham council had the scheme drop and collect, I then e -mailed the council to ask why we did not run the same scheme, first responce was a link to the goverment website, i replied they had not answered my question sent an e-mail back explaing the point raised second responce sent the same link my next e -mail was you still have not answered my question so can you pass it up to your supervisor or somone who can answer the question. third responce this is a scheme run in birmingham !!!!!!!!!!!! and the same link Erm, 1. Birmingham has been in lockdown with vastly higher rates, so probably put it in especially for this reason 2. Birmingham probably has a vastly higher budget and more staff to run it 3. While Birmingham has a vastly bigger population it has a much smaller area to cover - how many places in Shropshire would you want you want this? 4. Why do you know more than experts? 5. How many other places have it?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2020 22:53:20 GMT 1
when i discovered the birmingham council had the scheme drop and collect, I then e -mailed the council to ask why we did not run the same scheme, first responce was a link to the goverment website, i replied they had not answered my question sent an e-mail back explaing the point raised second responce sent the same link my next e -mail was you still have not answered my question so can you pass it up to your supervisor or somone who can answer the question. third responce this is a scheme run in birmingham !!!!!!!!!!!! and the same link Erm, 1. Birmingham has been in lockdown with vastly higher rates, so probably put it in especially for this reason 2. Birmingham probably has a vastly higher budget and more staff to run it 3. While Birmingham has a vastly bigger population it has a much smaller area to cover - how many places in Shropshire would you want you want this? 4. Why do you know more than experts? 5. How many other places have it? 6. Don't give a stuff who runs it, just make sure adequate testing is in place for all.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Sept 26, 2020 0:36:59 GMT 1
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Post by salop18 on Sept 26, 2020 3:02:42 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 7:29:40 GMT 1
when i discovered the birmingham council had the scheme drop and collect, I then e -mailed the council to ask why we did not run the same scheme, first responce was a link to the goverment website, i replied they had not answered my question sent an e-mail back explaing the point raised second responce sent the same link my next e -mail was you still have not answered my question so can you pass it up to your supervisor or somone who can answer the question. third responce this is a scheme run in birmingham !!!!!!!!!!!! and the same link Erm, 1. Birmingham has been in lockdown with vastly higher rates, so probably put it in especially for this reason 2. Birmingham probably has a vastly higher budget and more staff to run it 3. While Birmingham has a vastly bigger population it has a much smaller area to cover - how many places in Shropshire would you want you want this? 4. Why do you know more than experts? 5. How many other places have it? this post was about the poor responce from the councils customer service, in responce to the points raise. there are a lot of cities who are having similar problems to birmingham just because other places dont have it does not mean that it is not a good idea, i agree this would be harder to do in rural areas. i dont claim to know more than experts but local testing run by a council who have local knowledge i feel would be more effective than a centralised service and in the past the public health departments in councils had a bigger role but goverment cut backs has reduced staffing levels, if you go back to the link Birmingham introduced this to run alongside the national teasting as they felt it was not meeting local needs. whilst not about testing this is an example of a rural council and what can be done, this and the birmingham example just confirms that if this was run at a local level it would work a lot better than our current chaotic system. www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-06-12/the-coronavirus-contact-tracing-system-developed-in-ceredigion-weeks-before-the-rest-of-wales"Ceredigion is one of Wales most rural areas. It was also the last to be affected by the coronavirus outbreak. But, the extra time afforded to this coastal county allowed the local authority to take a unique approach to containing Covid-19 - and the results have been notable. Ceredigion has so far only had seven deaths attributed to coronavirus. There have been more than a thousand across Wales in total. One of the measures Ceredigion Council put in place from the beginning of lock down was a contact tracing system. They were the first to do so. "Ten weeks ago now we put together a simple, simple model, and started to run contract tracing for any individual outbreaks", said Eifion Evans, Ceredigion County Council's Chief Executive. "We had set up a team that was in contact with the two and a half thousand of our most vulnerable citizens on a very regular basis to make sure that everything that they needed and everything they required was there. i hope that clarifys my view
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 9:15:34 GMT 1
Once what psychologists call the ‘fear pathways’ are ramped up, people are unable to think for themselves.
When people live in constant fear, whether from actual physical dangers or perceived threats, they can become incapacitated, because fear interrupts thought processes in the brain that allow us to regulate our emotions and process information.
Being told what to do and obeying can almost be a relief.
Let me give you a chilling example of how this can work.
At the beginning of World War II, a government pamphlet led to a massive cull of British pets. Just before the outbreak of war, the National Air Raid Precautions Animals Committee (NARPAC) was formed.
It drafted a notice: Advice to Animal Owners. The pamphlet said: ‘If at all possible, send or take your household animals into the country in advance of an emergency.’ It concluded: ‘If you cannot place them in the care of neighbours, it really is kindest to have them destroyed.’
It indicated pets would not be allowed in public air-raid shelters, and featured a do-it-yourself guide to putting animals down. This advice was printed in newspapers and announced on the BBC.
People panicked and obeyed in terror. Though animal charities and vets opposed the cull, as many as 750,000 British pets were killed in just one week. It was reported that some mobs became hysterical, insisting Fido and Tiddles were taken away to the slaughter.
Government was instrumental in this massacre. MI5 agents were set to watch animal rights activists, an anti-dog hate campaign was sponsored and the Government sanctioned the criminal prosecutions of cat owners for giving their pets saucers of milk.
What happened to the mentality of this alleged nation of animal lovers? Why did people think they were doing their patriotic duty by queuing up to hand over their pets to be killed, or dumping them in sacks? Fear happened, that’s what. People were terrified of food shortages, air-raid sirens, bombs, Hitler — everything. That fear deprived them of any ability to question the cruel and, historians agree, totally unnecessary policy and say, ‘No’.
Daily Mail.
An interesting story which may have present day parallels.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 26, 2020 9:48:01 GMT 1
Erm, 1. Birmingham has been in lockdown with vastly higher rates, so probably put it in especially for this reason 2. Birmingham probably has a vastly higher budget and more staff to run it 3. While Birmingham has a vastly bigger population it has a much smaller area to cover - how many places in Shropshire would you want you want this? 4. Why do you know more than experts? 5. How many other places have it? this post was about the poor responce from the councils customer service, in responce to the points raise. there are a lot of cities who are having similar problems to birmingham just because other places dont have it does not mean that it is not a good idea, i agree this would be harder to do in rural areas. i dont claim to know more than experts but local testing run by a council who have local knowledge i feel would be more effective than a centralised service and in the past the public health departments in councils had a bigger role but goverment cut backs has reduced staffing levels, if you go back to the link Birmingham introduced this to run alongside the national teasting as they felt it was not meeting local needs. whilst not about testing this is an example of a rural council and what can be done, this and the birmingham example just confirms that if this was run at a local level it would work a lot better than our current chaotic system. www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-06-12/the-coronavirus-contact-tracing-system-developed-in-ceredigion-weeks-before-the-rest-of-wales"Ceredigion is one of Wales most rural areas. It was also the last to be affected by the coronavirus outbreak. But, the extra time afforded to this coastal county allowed the local authority to take a unique approach to containing Covid-19 - and the results have been notable. Ceredigion has so far only had seven deaths attributed to coronavirus. There have been more than a thousand across Wales in total. One of the measures Ceredigion Council put in place from the beginning of lock down was a contact tracing system. They were the first to do so. "Ten weeks ago now we put together a simple, simple model, and started to run contract tracing for any individual outbreaks", said Eifion Evans, Ceredigion County Council's Chief Executive. "We had set up a team that was in contact with the two and a half thousand of our most vulnerable citizens on a very regular basis to make sure that everything that they needed and everything they required was there. i hope that clarifys my view Well yes having local run responses would have been the obviously sensible thing to do. except the government decided to ignore most experts and run it centrally and hand out billions and billions to private companies the example you cite is from Wales, which is run by a different party, so perhaps that party isnt so determined everything has to be centrally run
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 10:01:25 GMT 1
this post was about the poor responce from the councils customer service, in responce to the points raise. there are a lot of cities who are having similar problems to birmingham just because other places dont have it does not mean that it is not a good idea, i agree this would be harder to do in rural areas. i dont claim to know more than experts but local testing run by a council who have local knowledge i feel would be more effective than a centralised service and in the past the public health departments in councils had a bigger role but goverment cut backs has reduced staffing levels, if you go back to the link Birmingham introduced this to run alongside the national teasting as they felt it was not meeting local needs. whilst not about testing this is an example of a rural council and what can be done, this and the birmingham example just confirms that if this was run at a local level it would work a lot better than our current chaotic system. www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-06-12/the-coronavirus-contact-tracing-system-developed-in-ceredigion-weeks-before-the-rest-of-wales"Ceredigion is one of Wales most rural areas. It was also the last to be affected by the coronavirus outbreak. But, the extra time afforded to this coastal county allowed the local authority to take a unique approach to containing Covid-19 - and the results have been notable. Ceredigion has so far only had seven deaths attributed to coronavirus. There have been more than a thousand across Wales in total. One of the measures Ceredigion Council put in place from the beginning of lock down was a contact tracing system. They were the first to do so. "Ten weeks ago now we put together a simple, simple model, and started to run contract tracing for any individual outbreaks", said Eifion Evans, Ceredigion County Council's Chief Executive. "We had set up a team that was in contact with the two and a half thousand of our most vulnerable citizens on a very regular basis to make sure that everything that they needed and everything they required was there. i hope that clarifys my view Well yes having local run responses would have been the obviously sensible thing to do. except the government decided to ignore most experts and run it centrally and hand out billions and billions to private companies the example you cite is from Wales, which is run by a different party, so perhaps that party isnt so determined everything has to be centrally run they have and they are doing a c**p job i just gave the birmingham and ceredigion examples of what can happen if things are done at a local level(they will need goverment funding as the councils have been cut to the bone.)
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 11:54:02 GMT 1
Interesting response from a Telegraph reader to the proposal by Graham Brady to bring in an amendment to force the government to get the permission of Parliament before bringing in any further restrictions:
'Sir Graham, I believe most people appreciate the difficult path you tread between the need to demonstrate loyal support for your party and what is evidently a deep concern as to how your party leader and his cabinet are behaving.
But the fact is there is nothing short of wide spread anger amongst Conservative voters at this Government's actions which border on the seizure of dictatorial powers, destruction of our NHS and collapse of our economy. All this will have a long lasting and detrimental impact on people’s lives long after Covid ceases to be a major concern. You are losing voters, and if this cabinet remains unchallenged, you risk a devastating collapse at the next election commensurate with the 13 years of Labour rule following John Major.
As Chair of the Conservatives back-bench committee and with a majority of 80 in the House, it is only you and your members who have the power to bring Johnson and his cabinet to account. Ultimately this will require a change of leader. You and your colleagues need to act now to save the Conservative party or you will spend another 13 years in the wilderness'.
Brady has written:
'The initial lockdown, the quarantine arrangements that threaten hundreds of thousands of aviation jobs, the "rule of six" and a move to fines of £10,000 for refusing to self-isolate were all done at the stroke of a minister's pen.
Now students are being threatened with incarceration for Christmas and Sky News viewers were treated this week to Matt Hancock trying to explain to Kay Burley that people are only allowed to sleep with someone with whom they are in "an established relationship".
That might be good advice but it must also mark a new low in the levels of intrusion into our private lives. The fact is all governments find parliamentary scrutiny inconvenient. Once they are allowed to do it, they will easily get into the habit of governing by decree and this Government has done so with gusto.
Ministers need to be reminded that Parliament isn't an ornament or a rubber stamp: it is from Parliament that their powers are derived. We vest those powers in a government on behalf of the people whom we represent but we do so on the condition that we will continue to hold ministers to account. Ministers need to remember too that the challenge of debate and approval in Parliament will improve the quality of the decisions that they make.
On Wednesday, the Government will seek to renew the sweeping emergency powers that were introduced in March. If they accept my amendment requiring that those powers should only be exercised with prior parliamentary approval, they will show they understand that they can only govern by the consent of the people'.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 12:08:13 GMT 1
utter incompetance these machines could have saved lives. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8773971/Investigation.html"The coronavirus testing shambles is laid bare today with claims that the Government ignored offers of super-fast machines six months ago. The while-you-wait gadgets could have been installed in care homes, schools, hospitals and businesses to quickly scan people for the virus and spare the British economy. Instead, the Government launched a cumbersome £12billion system with patients forced to wait days or travel hundreds of miles – allowing the virus to spread and leading to draconian rules." "However, several manufacturers of rapid lab-free testing machines which can give the all-clear within minutes claim they have been ignored. Paul Tolan, the UK boss of Menarini Diagnostics, said other countries in Europe have snapped up thousands of his firm's devices, including to protect the German army, navy and air forces. But when Mr Tolan wrote to officials at the Cabinet Office about the Menarini system in March, to his surprise he never received a response. The Menarini VitaPCR system costs £5,000 and is about the size of a dictionary. It can process one test costing £60 every 20 minutes and can be installed anywhere and operated by anyone.There are already 110 of the Menarini machines currently in use across the UK – including in some NHS hospitals which use private testing services – with orders for another 70 being processed. At Yeovil District Hospital in Somerset it is used to test urgent admissions, in a service run by a private firm, Synlab, with a public-private partnership called Southwest Pathology Services whose general manager Lynda Fazer said the kit had 'lived up to its claims'. Six months squandered, says expert Professor Julian Peto lambasted the Government for ¿completely cocking up¿ coronavirus testing A renowned epidemiologist yesterday lambasted the Government for 'completely cocking up' coronavirus testing. Professor Julian Peto said officials had squandered six months setting up a bureaucratic, centralised system that does not work. Instead of the 'stupid Lighthouse Labs', Prof Peto, pictured, said existing local facilities in every town should be signed up to test large numbers of people. The failure to involve the small labs is one of the reasons the nation is threatened with a second lockdown, he said. Prof Peto, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: 'It's taken six months to persuade them it's a good idea to test everyone once a week and then they've gone about it in a way which means it is going to be ludicrously expensive and can't be done quickly. 'It's really, really annoying – having finally said it was a good idea, they're now completely cocking it up.' Mr Tolan said: 'We could have had thousands of systems in place all over the country by now.' He said other governments had since placed so many orders that even if British officials had a change of heart it would be difficult to get them. In April, Mr Tolan tried again, this time with Public Health England. It was not until late July that a PHE representative got in contact, and earlier this month a trial of the machine began. It is being assessed in Frimley Park Hospital in Surrey and Royal Berkshire Hospital.It has been 'a very slow process', said Mr Tolan, adding he had 'no doubt' the testing systems would have saved lives. He claims that the trial is yet to 'start"
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Post by scooter on Sept 26, 2020 12:17:48 GMT 1
So Serco’s new “NHS” app cant actually be updated with results of NHS tests !
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 12:32:58 GMT 1
the rapid lab free testing fiasco is like groundhog day , companies wanting to supply PPE were ignored by the goverment, e-mails not answered and yet again we have this fiasco
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 12:33:28 GMT 1
So Serco’s new “NHS” app cant actually be updated with results of NHS tests ! not fit for purpose
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Post by tdk on Sept 26, 2020 14:08:11 GMT 1
So Serco’s new “NHS” app cant actually be updated with results of NHS tests ! Obviously doesn't have links to a Minister ot their wife/husband. Wasting his time.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 14:24:45 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 14:36:29 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775527/NHS-Covid-19-app-bug-refuses-let-users-enter-negative-test-results.htmlPeople in England using the NHS Track and Trace app are unable to enter a negative test result if they did not use it to book their swab, it was revealed. When users tell it they have coronavirus symptoms - either a high temperature, new continuous cough or loss of taste or smell - the app immediately launches a 14-day self-isolation countdown and advises them to get tested. But if they don't book this via the device, it won't let them enter a negative result or turn off the countdown. The Department for Health and Social Care said the app will be updated.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2020 18:04:41 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775527/NHS-Covid-19-app-bug-refuses-let-users-enter-negative-test-results.htmlPeople in England using the NHS Track and Trace app are unable to enter a negative test result if they did not use it to book their swab, it was revealed. When users tell it they have coronavirus symptoms - either a high temperature, new continuous cough or loss of taste or smell - the app immediately launches a 14-day self-isolation countdown and advises them to get tested. But if they don't book this via the device, it won't let them enter a negative result or turn off the countdown. The Department for Health and Social Care said the app will be updated. for heavens sake this is such an obvious thing 6 months and still not working properly
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 18:29:48 GMT 1
Meanwhile, over in USA, this seems a very credible article as to how Trump intends to remain as President, whatever the result of the vote: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/25/donald-trump-democracy-america-conservatives-power-usThe worrying thing is that Johnson, Gove and Cummings are operating in a similar manner, avoiding accountability, marginalizing the role of Parliament, replacing senior members of the Executive, and looking to curb the powers of the Judiciary to intervene in government decisions via Judicial Review.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 26, 2020 18:35:46 GMT 1
Which category would you have put Boris in then? People forget that he ended up in intensive care and it was pretty scary. It also has lasting effects on people, with Boris it's left him weak and untrustworthy, though that might not be becourse of Covid.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 26, 2020 18:51:05 GMT 1
If he continues not sacking the incompetents, then the buck will eventually stop with the boss, Boris. Tory grassroots MPs must be taking some flack at the moment from the people who put them in.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 26, 2020 18:56:11 GMT 1
the rapid lab free testing fiasco is like groundhog day , companies wanting to supply PPE were ignored by the goverment, e-mails not answered and yet again we have this fiasco I still think this thing is bigger than Hancock, we need something like a "minister of test and trace". How can a health minister do the whole Covid shebang and still run a health service?
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2020 18:58:02 GMT 1
Which category would you have put Boris in then? People forget that he ended up in intensive care and it was pretty scary. It also has lasting effects on people, with Boris it's left him weak and untrustworthy, though that might not be becourse of Covid. Johnson is ill briefed, hazy on the facts and implications of his policy proposals, uneasy under scrutiny and belligerent when challenged. Amoral and power-hungry, he’s lying with knowledge, calculation and abandon. He and his advisers have made a ruthless and sinister decision — to subvert and smash up British political culture. They have learned from the successes of the Vote Leave campaign, which Mr. Johnson fronted, and, it seems, from Team Trump. The old assumptions — that truth matters, that lies shame the liar, that in a democracy the press and the public must have a right to interrogate those who seek the top jobs — have all been swept aside by the Tories’ conviction that in an inattentive, dissatisfied, cacophonous world, victory will go to the most compelling entertainer, the most plausible and shameless deceiver, the leader who can drill home a repetitive and seductive incantation. Facts and details will be irrelevant. New York Times.
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