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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 19:49:19 GMT 1
Who didn’t do what they were asked in summer? You’ll never get unanimity from 66m people and I’m fed up with Govt blaming the public when their own failings are more to blame. I blame Boris . He’s like a reverse Midas , everything he touches turns to s**te .
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 23, 2020 19:51:50 GMT 1
"The UK's positivity rate - the ratio of positive tests to number of tests overall - is now at 2.51%, compared with below 1% for most of July and early August."
The answer the my question some time back.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 23, 2020 20:19:49 GMT 1
As I've mentioned before on here, Gove and Cummings are as thick as thieves, and go back a long way. I like the use of "thick" and "thieves" in any sentence referencing Gove and Cummings, even though we're led by some to regard Cummings as a demi-god. He's not a demi-god, he's just a very naughty boy. As for Gove, I shudder to think of him ever being PM.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 5:55:13 GMT 1
i looked at spains figuers as they are currently the worst in Europe. if any country was going to reflect the gloom and dom of the goverments advisors this would be it.(i am not advocating complacency) www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-spain-counts-31-400-infections-over-weekend/1980803Spain’s Health Ministry reported a total of almost 670,500 coronavirus infections on Monday – a jump of more than 31,400 since data was last reported on Friday. " despite a patchwork of measures aimed at curbing COVID-19, the virus shows no sign of retreat. During the same period last week, confirmed infections surged by 27,400 – around 15% less than this weekend. In consequence, doctors are seeing an influx of COVID-19 patients. On Friday, these patients occupied 8.7% of all the hospital beds in Spain, but on Monday they now occupied 9.5% of all beds. In the capital Madrid, where nearly 50,000 infections have been diagnosed in two weeks, 25% of all hospital beds are being used to treat COVID-19 patients." when i looked at another site with the infection graph it was on a huge surge of infections with higher numbers than march (the previous peak)when you look at the graph showing hte deaths there was a big spike with the first wave and a relativley small one with this wave. 26march infections 9,159 18sept infections 14,399 deaths 31 march 929 16sept 239 (i presume that these were that day) total cases 694,000 deaths 31,034 you would expect with considrably more cases the death rates would be a lot higher but they are not( but they might be in a few weeks time) with the first wave hospitals were over run due to the volume of admissions figure for hospital admissions that are covid related vary from 9.5% to 25% whilst this bad it is nowhere near the level of the first wave.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 6:59:01 GMT 1
uk 7th april 1,037 deaths 23rd sept deaths 37 ( cases have been rising since the 9th of august . The figuer for new infections is now at another higher spike then you would expect a higher figure for deaths in the next few weeks) uk cases 5th april 6,111 23rd sept 6,208 on the face of it these figuers look alarming but as many hospitals had no cases hten 70% from 0% is high a better figure which i could not find it is what is hte total % of covid cases in relation to total % of beds available as this would show how close hte hospitals are to full ocupancey as they were in the first wave. inews.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-latest-wake-up-call-covid-19-hospital-admissions-england-642484"Analysis by i reveals new daily patients have increased by more than 70% in the north west and London and 50% in the Midlands in a week, while bed occupancy has more than doubled in some areas"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 10:23:26 GMT 1
how many times has the issue of conflict of intrests emerged with mp's and now the scientific advisor"yet non have resigned or been fired www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8766531/Chief-Scientific-Officer-Sir-Patrick-Vallance-600-000-shares-vaccine-maker-GSK.html"Conflict of interest row as it emerges Chief Scientific Officer Sir Patrick Vallance has £600,000 of shares in vaccine maker contracted to make UK's coronavirus jabs Sir Patrick was president of multinationals drugs giant GSK from 2012 to 2018 Chief Scientific Adviser holds a deferred bonus of 43,111 shares worth £600,000 He has already cashed in more than £5m in shares he held on his resignation The 60-year-old medic chairs the Government's special board on vaccines"
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 24, 2020 10:47:07 GMT 1
I don't think there is a very big if about the rate of growth of positive tests. It's doubling every 7 to 8 days. That is just maths. Back in March it was doubling every 3 to 4 days.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2020 11:02:01 GMT 1
I don't think there is a very big if about the rate of growth of positive tests. It's doubling every 7 to 8 days. That is just maths. Back in March it was doubling every 3 to 4 days. just before xmas then when it reaches 50,000,000
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 11:03:27 GMT 1
Meanwhile, the testing shambles continues: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/lack-of-covid-tests-forcing-nhs-gps-and-nurses-to-stay-off-workThousands of GPs and nurses are being forced to stay off work as they cannot get tested for Covid-19, England’s test-and-trace tsar has been warned. The Royal College of GPs has written to Dido Harding, head of the government’s £10bn test and trace programme, warning that staff absences could hit the flu vaccination drive that ministers say is vital to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed this winter. Patient care will suffer because family doctors and practice nurses are having to isolate at home at the same time as the reopening of schools, universities and some workplaces is leading to more people seeking an appointment, it says. The disclosure that GPs are having trouble getting tests follows weeks of mounting concern over the number of teachers, parents of schoolage children and NHS staff who have encountered problems, with some being told to go hundreds of miles for a test.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 11:37:29 GMT 1
The new NHS Test and Trace app will allow people to delete records of their visits to pubs and restaurants, and will only function on the more modern smartphones.
Launched Thursday, the app will rely heavily on QR code technology, which users will be expected to scan on their way into hospitality and other public venues, creating a digital record of where they have been, to be stored on their phone.
However, it has emerged that this will only work on iPhones built on or after 2015, and Android devices built on or after 2017.
Charities warned that it risks harming older people, who are more likely to use less up-to-date phones and are already more vulnerable to Covid-19.
The Telegraph.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 12:40:18 GMT 1
I don't think there is a very big if about the rate of growth of positive tests. It's doubling every 7 to 8 days. That is just maths. Back in March it was doubling every 3 to 4 days. many countries are having surges in cases and in the uk cases have been rising since the 9th of august.whilst hospital admissions are rising they are moving from a low base even though the numbers of people been infected is at the same rate of when it was at the previoys peak , if the peak continues to rise and is prolonged then that picture and death rates may change. the one thing we need to bear in mind is prior to the coivid-19 pandemic we had two years were the mortality rate was below the average, and the covid-19 may well have killed a number of vunerable people who would normally have died from flue. and this may be the resons hte death rate from covid-19 cases are not so high in the second wave. sadly i think the average death rate will will increase due to all the cancer patients and other patients with chronic health conditions who are not getting the treatment and follow ups they need.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 12:41:51 GMT 1
The new NHS Test and Trace app will allow people to delete records of their visits to pubs and restaurants, and will only function on the more modern smartphones. Launched Thursday, the app will rely heavily on QR code technology, which users will be expected to scan on their way into hospitality and other public venues, creating a digital record of where they have been, to be stored on their phone. However, it has emerged that this will only work on iPhones built on or after 2015, and Android devices built on or after 2017.
Charities warned that it risks harming older people, who are more likely to use less up-to-date phones and are already more vulnerable to Covid-19. The Telegraph. not a suprise
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2020 13:26:42 GMT 1
The new NHS Test and Trace app will allow people to delete records of their visits to pubs and restaurants, and will only function on the more modern smartphones. Launched Thursday, the app will rely heavily on QR code technology, which users will be expected to scan on their way into hospitality and other public venues, creating a digital record of where they have been, to be stored on their phone. However, it has emerged that this will only work on iPhones built on or after 2015, and Android devices built on or after 2017.
Charities warned that it risks harming older people, who are more likely to use less up-to-date phones and are already more vulnerable to Covid-19. The Telegraph. that'll be the device most of us renew every couple of years then how many people do you know with 6 year old iphones ? mine is on its last legs and its coming up 3 years old what do you expect , state of the art technology that is backwards compatible ?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 24, 2020 13:27:53 GMT 1
The new NHS Test and Trace app will allow people to delete records of their visits to pubs and restaurants, and will only function on the more modern smartphones. Launched Thursday, the app will rely heavily on QR code technology, which users will be expected to scan on their way into hospitality and other public venues, creating a digital record of where they have been, to be stored on their phone. However, it has emerged that this will only work on iPhones built on or after 2015, and Android devices built on or after 2017.
Charities warned that it risks harming older people, who are more likely to use less up-to-date phones and are already more vulnerable to Covid-19. The Telegraph. OK, but this is just another weapon in the fight. Presumably the existing test and trace will continue and, I hope, improve. I don’t understand why someone would take the trouble to download the app, use it when it isn’t mandatory and then delete the contact. I’ve downloaded it to my Android phone and it says there are already 500k plus downloads, if there are similar number of iPhone downloads that’s impressive for the first day of availability.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 24, 2020 14:12:21 GMT 1
The new NHS Test and Trace app will allow people to delete records of their visits to pubs and restaurants, and will only function on the more modern smartphones. Launched Thursday, the app will rely heavily on QR code technology, which users will be expected to scan on their way into hospitality and other public venues, creating a digital record of where they have been, to be stored on their phone. However, it has emerged that this will only work on iPhones built on or after 2015, and Android devices built on or after 2017.
Charities warned that it risks harming older people, who are more likely to use less up-to-date phones and are already more vulnerable to Covid-19. The Telegraph. that'll be the device most of us renew every couple of years then how many people do you know with 6 year old iphones ? mine is on its last legs and its coming up 3 years old what do you expect , state of the art technology that is backwards compatible ? At this rate he's just got himself all wound up on this thread and is criticising anything and everything. Sometimes when you force a point too much people take less notice.
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Post by tdk on Sept 24, 2020 14:24:16 GMT 1
Meanwhile, the testing shambles continues: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/lack-of-covid-tests-forcing-nhs-gps-and-nurses-to-stay-off-workThousands of GPs and nurses are being forced to stay off work as they cannot get tested for Covid-19, England’s test-and-trace tsar has been warned. The Royal College of GPs has written to Dido Harding, head of the government’s £10bn test and trace programme, warning that staff absences could hit the flu vaccination drive that ministers say is vital to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed this winter. Patient care will suffer because family doctors and practice nurses are having to isolate at home at the same time as the reopening of schools, universities and some workplaces is leading to more people seeking an appointment, it says. The disclosure that GPs are having trouble getting tests follows weeks of mounting concern over the number of teachers, parents of schoolage children and NHS staff who have encountered problems, with some being told to go hundreds of miles for a test. Seems a shambles, but my granddaughter had test same day as requested and result in less than 24 hours
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 24, 2020 14:27:43 GMT 1
Is the trace app Britain's development of the world's best app, or just something we could have bought off the shelf months ago?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 24, 2020 14:52:25 GMT 1
I don't think there is a very big if about the rate of growth of positive tests. It's doubling every 7 to 8 days. That is just maths. Back in March it was doubling every 3 to 4 days. just before xmas then when it reaches 50,000,000 Very good. But as in excess of 3 million people have likely been infected that would be unlikely. As things stand the maths apply because the virus will have plenty of people to go at. 40,000,000 infected: less so.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 24, 2020 14:54:41 GMT 1
I don't think there is a very big if about the rate of growth of positive tests. It's doubling every 7 to 8 days. That is just maths. Back in March it was doubling every 3 to 4 days. many countries are having surges in cases and in the uk cases have been rising since the 9th of august.whilst hospital admissions are rising they are moving from a low base even though the numbers of people been infected is at the same rate of when it was at the previoys peak , if the peak continues to rise and is prolonged then that picture and death rates may change. the one thing we need to bear in mind is prior to the coivid-19 pandemic we had two years were the mortality rate was below the average, and the covid-19 may well have killed a number of vunerable people who would normally have died from flue. and this may be the resons hte death rate from covid-19 cases are not so high in the second wave. sadly i think the average death rate will will increase due to all the cancer patients and other patients with chronic health conditions who are not getting the treatment and follow ups they need. Deaths from covid-19 will also increase as it begins to infect the elderly again. Previously shielding grandparents are now able to provide childcare services to enable their children to go to work.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 14:57:23 GMT 1
many countries are having surges in cases and in the uk cases have been rising since the 9th of august.whilst hospital admissions are rising they are moving from a low base even though the numbers of people been infected is at the same rate of when it was at the previoys peak , if the peak continues to rise and is prolonged then that picture and death rates may change. the one thing we need to bear in mind is prior to the coivid-19 pandemic we had two years were the mortality rate was below the average, and the covid-19 may well have killed a number of vunerable people who would normally have died from flue. and this may be the resons hte death rate from covid-19 cases are not so high in the second wave. sadly i think the average death rate will will increase due to all the cancer patients and other patients with chronic health conditions who are not getting the treatment and follow ups they need. Deaths from covid-19 will also increase as it begins to infect the elderly again. Previously shielding grandparents are now able to provide childcare services to enable their children to go to work. childcare is very expensive and elderly relative do a lot of chilcare, it is a hard decision to make as not all workers can work from home.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 15:12:38 GMT 1
when i discovered the birmingham council had the scheme drop and collect, I then e -mailed the council to ask why we did not run the same scheme, first responce was a link to the goverment website, i replied they had not answered my question
sent an e-mail back explaing the point raised second responce sent the same link
my next e -mail was you still have not answered my question so can you pass it up to your supervisor or somone who can answer the question. third responce this is a scheme run in birmingham !!!!!!!!!!!! and the same link
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 15:36:49 GMT 1
In the case of Britain, Sage downright refuses to acknowledge the alternative theory that Covid deaths are rising not simply because community transmission is growing – but because we are repeating the mistake of the first wave and allowing the virus to gain ground in hospitals and care homes.
The number of people catching and then dying of Covid at some of the worst-reputed hospitals in the country for superbugs is mysteriously on the rise. The NHS has launched a probe after an unknown number of patients died of Covid-19 having caught it at Tameside general hospital in Greater Manchester. Tameside, incidentally, currently has the joint worst MRSA record in the North West England.
Meanwhile, our care homes winter plan is already a shambles, with some institutions waiting up to 15 days for test results as rumours swirl that, once again, bosses are being warned they must prepare to take bed-blockers. Little wonder their Covid deaths have already crept up to 10 a week.
The problem is infuriatingly simple. Britain needs to confront the real mistake of the first wave – failing to protect the vulnerable.
Up to one in five Covid inpatients caught the virus in hospital, and as of May, nearly a quarter of first-wave Covid deaths in Britain were from care homes.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 15:59:13 GMT 1
Interesting background to Witty, Vallance and Van Tam. blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/The UK’s chief scientific adviser has a £600,000 shareholding in a drugs giant contracted to develop a Covid-19 vaccine for the Government, prompting claims of a potential conflict of interest. Sir Patrick Vallance, who also chairs the Government’s expert advisory panel on vaccines, holds a deferred bonus of 43,111 shares in GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) worth £600,000 from his time as president of the multinational drug company, The Telegraph can reveal. He has already cashed in more than £5 million worth of shares he received from the company during his tenure from 2012 until March 2018, when he became the Government’s chief scientific officer. Accounts show he held 404,201 GSK shares when he left, worth £6.1 million at current values. In July, GSK and drugs multinational Sanofi agreed a deal with the UK Government to supply it with up to 60 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine, subject to final contract. Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 17:05:58 GMT 1
The "rule of six" actually means that everything is being decided by Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance & Cummings.
As we labour under the most draconian set of restrictions imposed on the general population since World War 2, I've been watching a box set of all the episodes of The Prisoner!
Number 6 (Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner): "I will not make any deals with you. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own". "I am not a number, I am a free man".
McGoohan finds himself located in a mysterious coastal "village" within which he is held captive. Although physical movement of residents around the Village is unconstrained, the premises are secured by numerous high-tech monitoring systems and security forces.
A major theme of the series is individualism, as represented by Number Six, versus collectivism, as represented by Number Two and the others in the Village.
I'll probably get round to re-reading 1984 by George Orwell next.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2020 17:07:40 GMT 1
my surgery has introduced e consult as they have gone to phone consultation and video calls to reduce face to face all of which is sensable but this econsult which is set up to send any queries is cumbersone and you dont have the option to skip irelevant questions which most are. they used to have an e-mail which seems to have disapeared. rant over
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 17:11:15 GMT 1
Has anyone downloaded the NHS Covid-19 app today out of interest?
My postcode area, CH3 is a MEDIUM risk level at this moment.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 24, 2020 20:04:29 GMT 1
More than a million people have downloaded the app! Number of positive tests going up and remember that since you only get a test now if you have symptoms, they have been out spreding the virus for a few days before knowing.
Time to be very careful and obey the rules!
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2020 20:10:13 GMT 1
The NHS Serco Test and Trace committee has 15 people, only one of whom is an actual doctor. ONE, this is taking the effin' proverbial.
Dido Harding – executive chair –NHS Improvement chair since 2017, previously TalkTalk chief executive for seven years
David Pitt – chief operating officer
Sarah-Jane Marsh – testing divisional director - on secondment from being chief executive, Birmingham Women’s and Children’s Foundation Trust
Haroona Franklin – tracing divisional director – previously the government’s director of future borders
Carolyn Wilkins – contain divisional director – on secondment from being Oldham Council chief executive
Clare Gardiner – Joint biosecurity centre director general – on secondment from being director of national resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre
Simon Bolton – chief information officer – CIO of Jaguar Land Rover until summer 2019
Gareth Williams – chief people officer – previous a senior HR manager for Travelex, a British foreign exchange company, BT, and other firms
Donald Shepherd – chief financial officer – previously finance and commercial director at Public Health England
Ben Dyson – director of policy – previously a senior policy director in NHS England and Improvement
Susan Hopkins – chief medical adviser – epidemiologist and adviser on infectious diseases and microbiology at PHE, with a research interest in outbreak investigation and surveillance, and healthcare associated infections
Jacqui Rock – chief commercial officer – commercial director at the Ministry of Defence 2017-2020, and before that at banks
Ben Stimson – chief customer officer — previously digital director at Waitrose
Raghuv Bhasin – chief of staff to Dido Harding — previously director of operations, Royal Berkshire Foundation Trust Michael Brodie – interim chief executive, Public Health England — previously chief executive of the NHS Business Service Authority.
Talk about jobs for the boys/girls.
How the hell did a former digital director at Waitrose, a CIO of a car manufacturer and a HR manager for a foreign exchange company qualify for a nice little earner like this?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 24, 2020 20:15:29 GMT 1
The NHS Serco Test and Trace committee has 15 people, only one of whom is an actual doctor. ONE, this is taking the effin' proverbial.
Dido Harding – executive chair –NHS Improvement chair since 2017, previously TalkTalk chief executive for seven years David Pitt – chief operating officer Sarah-Jane Marsh – testing divisional director - on secondment from being chief executive, Birmingham Women’s and Children’s Foundation Trust Haroona Franklin – tracing divisional director – previously the government’s director of future borders Carolyn Wilkins – contain divisional director – on secondment from being Oldham Council chief executive Clare Gardiner – Joint biosecurity centre director general – on secondment from being director of national resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre Simon Bolton – chief information officer – CIO of Jaguar Land Rover until summer 2019 Gareth Williams – chief people officer – previous a senior HR manager for Travelex, a British foreign exchange company, BT, and other firms Donald Shepherd – chief financial officer – previously finance and commercial director at Public Health England Ben Dyson – director of policy – previously a senior policy director in NHS England and Improvement Susan Hopkins – chief medical adviser – epidemiologist and adviser on infectious diseases and microbiology at PHE, with a research interest in outbreak investigation and surveillance, and healthcare associated infections Jacqui Rock – chief commercial officer – commercial director at the Ministry of Defence 2017-2020, and before that at banks Ben Stimson – chief customer officer — previously digital director at Waitrose Raghuv Bhasin – chief of staff to Dido Harding — previously director of operations, Royal Berkshire Foundation Trust Michael Brodie – interim chief executive, Public Health England — previously chief executive of the NHS Business Service Authority. Talk about jobs for the boys/girls. How the hell did a former digital director at Waitrose, a CIO of a car manufacturer and a HR manager for a foreign exchange company qualify for a nice little earner like this?
Dyson probably got the job by sucking up to the boss.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2020 20:16:57 GMT 1
Has anyone downloaded the NHS Covid-19 app today out of interest? No I bloody haven't and neither will I. I don't trust this government/Serco to not sell my data. I hope I never have to take a test either, because I certainly don't trust them not to squirrel my DNA away for future use.
I'm no tinfoil hatter and I will do most things to protect myself, my loved ones and even Joe Public, but I am not putting my trust in that lot.
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