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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 5, 2020 0:17:35 GMT 1
Tactical disaster-class & shameful timidity from all concerned. Starting with the set up by the manager and right through to the players who hardly turned up.
Normally an own goal like that would feel so, so unlucky but not tonight. It felt just & the manner of our display deserved it. I’m so so disappointed. What a waste. I’m happy to lose to any side Liverpool are able to field but not like that, no way.
Back to the mediocre at the weekend then eh, the joys. At least there won’t be VAR mind. Not because it was wrong, but because living with it in the ‘moment’ was the sack of s**te I had predicted. Trepidation in every rare attack that may or may not have involved a jostle or half a knee offside. b******s to it.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Feb 5, 2020 0:29:59 GMT 1
Trying not create a thread in it's own right... but
Two own goals like that, in one tie against Premiersite?
Twice, once in both legs?
How does that happen?
Anyone care to remember?
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 5, 2020 0:34:06 GMT 1
Trying not create a thread in it's own right... but Two own goals like that, in one tie against Premiersite? Twice, once in both legs? How does that happen? Anyone care to remember? "What we have here is a failure to communicate!" Talk to each other Boys!
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Post by block18shrew on Feb 5, 2020 1:11:06 GMT 1
Did any one else notice Laurent go straight down the tunnel at the end? Couldnt give a s**t. Don’t care what anyone else says he plays for himself. 3 months left in a Shrews shirt then he is off. No chance of him signing a new deal or he’d have done it already.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Feb 5, 2020 1:47:11 GMT 1
Sorry if I have missed it but what was the attendance tonight?
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 5, 2020 1:48:41 GMT 1
Sorry if I have missed it but what was the attendance tonight? 52,399
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 1:49:28 GMT 1
Gave them way too much respect first half. It’s obvious Ricketts tells them to go out, stand off people, be disciplined and don’t concede first half. To a degree it workS because had the goal stood the gameplan was on, but why wait until the second half to start pushing up, getting into them and forcing them back towards their own goal? Whole of the first half we let them get a feel for the ball, we let them get into the game, we should have been pressing and not allowing them to settle, instead we let every player have time and space on the ball, therefore they could probably let the nerves settle and feel comfortable, at no point should we be letting a young team feel comfortable, gave them way too much respect.
Not sure why Liverpool fans are getting credit on here. They dominated and won the game, so of course they got behind their side and didn’t moan, its easy not to moan when you win every week.
I was surprised with how decent the area was, where we parked looked new, clean and tidy. People seemed fine and no trouble. Stewards were superb and very friendly. The ground itself doesn’t have that ‘big ground’ feeling to me. First time I walked out at Old Trafford, The Emirates and Wembley I had that wow feeling of a big stadium, just didn’t get that feeling today.
Season basically over now, we won’t go down despite what some people are starting to think and we certainly won’t get into the playoffs, out of the cups so all we can hope for is some more positive football and starting to look like we have an offensive plan.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Feb 5, 2020 1:49:40 GMT 1
Sorry if I have missed it but what was the attendance tonight? 52,399 Thank you aghabullogueshrew
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 5, 2020 2:00:39 GMT 1
Did any one else notice Laurent go straight down the tunnel at the end? Couldnt give a s**t. Don’t care what anyone else says he plays for himself. 3 months left in a Shrews shirt then he is off. No chance of him signing a new deal or he’d have done it already. I’m bound to get shot down again but despite all the hype and more good (sometimes great) games this season compared to last, Josh Laurent is an incredibly inconsistent & infuriatingly anonymous player at times. Tonight was one of those. First tie he was unplayable, but he is living off that and his November form when these Championship clubs are coming calling. Just my opinion but it’s nothing to do with him ‘playing for himself’, he just isn’t good on a regular basis. This is the way he is and why I would personally suggest we are his level.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 5, 2020 2:04:37 GMT 1
For me we suffered with stage fright first half
Disappointing but understandable , we got stuck in 2nd half but Both goals were cruel for many reasons
Heard a few Liverpool fans who were proud of their side tonight and thought it was a genious performance
so much for the league being our bread and butter, it seems a lot now judge on a cruel defeat to a side who have won every home game since life began
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Feb 5, 2020 2:05:08 GMT 1
As a counterbalance to the "Premiers**te/don't know any of Liverpool's players" mob on here, it's worth recognising that while it could have backfired, Klopp's gamble paid off fully tonight. A night off for the big guns, and a confidence boosting 90 in front of a full house for their young guns, who were far better than us for all but ten minutes of the second half. We largely didn't turn up on or off the pitch, and that was very disappointing.
Feels like Ricketts is firmly entering the one step forward and two steps back era of his reign, and he needs to find a way to counterbalance his inherent negativity with something, anything, that might actually see us take a game by the scruff of the neck once in a while. I thought a game against Liverpool's children might provide such an opportunity, but apparently not.
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Post by block18shrew on Feb 5, 2020 2:14:07 GMT 1
For me we suffered with stage fright first half Disappointing but understandable , we got stuck in 2nd half but Both goals were cruel for many reasons Heard a few Liverpool fans who were proud of their side tonight and thought it was a genious performance so much for the league being our bread and butter, it seems a lot now judge on a cruel defeat to a side who have won every home game since life began You dont half talk a load of tripe sometimes. You won’t have Ricketts judged detrimentally in the ‘bread and butter’ or the cup. You simply won’t hear any of it. And the team that played tonight may be part of a club that is unbeaten at home but not one of those in that team have contributed to that record so don’t make out there is any correlation. Tonight was an embarrassment in terms of effort and application. The team we played tonight got beat not only by Accrington, but also Rochdale so don’t give me any of that bulls**t. Ricketts and his tactics are becoming unbearable. I will give him the benefit of the doubt because you can’t judge any manager over the result of a cup game...it’s always the league that matters however; lose on Saturday or fail to win and that’s 0 from 8. That’s not progress...we are going backwards and to me, he seems to have no idea how to rectify it.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 5, 2020 2:15:01 GMT 1
I do know one thing tomorrow morning, after reading the morning papers,......I wish that William Shakespeare hadn't f*cking written "The Taming of the Shrew!"
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Post by hankmaloysenior on Feb 5, 2020 2:16:04 GMT 1
Utterly humiliating. Zero shots on target against children, who were hammered all over the place in the JPT. Tactical nightmare, to stand off and allow the kids to get on the ball and build confidence first few minutes. I have absolutely no desire to watch a Ricketts side again.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 5, 2020 2:21:18 GMT 1
You are playing a bunch of kids in a big match in front of a sell out crowd. Do you a) stand off them, let them get comfortable and ease their way into the game, then start to constantly foul them, or b) get in their faces from the very start, don't give them time or space and rattle the little fellas! You know all Liverpool teams play the same way, you have to knock them off their stride!
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 5, 2020 2:23:18 GMT 1
I just feel so deflated. I really thought we would be well and truly up for it but it just didn’t work like that again. I am so disappointed as I really would have liked to be the team to put one over on Klopp.
I don’t know what the answer is I’m sure.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 5, 2020 2:26:59 GMT 1
Just back. I thought we were a good advert for National League North football.
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Post by 18stfc86 on Feb 5, 2020 2:32:19 GMT 1
Ricketts is to blame for that defeat tonight. Wrong team selection and tactics YET again.
I've said it since Ricketts was appointed, he's not the man to take us forward. Was a ludicrous appointment from Roland in the first place. He's a rookie manager who had barely 6 months of experience before getting the job.
Fan base are really starting to turn on him now (finally), how long does he have left? Surely it's in Roland/Brian's mind that this can't go on!
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Post by Dale on Feb 5, 2020 2:33:20 GMT 1
Knocked out of two cup competitions this season by youth teams, can’t say I lost any sleep over losing to Man Citeh but this one hurt tonight. Fed up of Rickettsball and if we don’t win at least one game this month then he has to go, to be fair I wouldn’t shed a tear if he went tomorrow.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 5, 2020 2:42:05 GMT 1
Rickett's fatigue excuse doesn't wash with me. We were playing in our biggest game of the season in front of an epic away following of 8000, where the passion & adrenaline of the occasion should get you over any fatigue. Against kids, who, while young & fresh, probably don't train with quite the intensity of first teamers & hardly ever play any genuinely meaningful competitive matches. He totally failed to get the team fired up for it and his tactics were ineffectual.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 5, 2020 3:00:45 GMT 1
What am I doing up at 2 am?
We played against a team of young players who are schooled in how to get the ball to the last third. Once they got there were they really doing anything to hurt us? I don't think so. The stupid own goal was after a period of pressure, but I thought we looked as though we were coping. Going forward we showed very little as usual but our goal is a goal without VAR. At no stage did the Liverpool players stop and appeal.
I will single out Dave Edwards second half performance for praise. You could see that he has played at a level the other players on the field (on both sides) can currently only aspire to. Two own goals, no wins in 2020. Can't score and our natural finisher sold and scores.
I don't feel that we are in safe with Ricketts. I am fearful about next season and don't see what is in it for us this season. It was clear in August that we had resolved the defensive issues. But nothing else has progressed in that six months.
But he is an inexperienced manager who is learning while managing us. We knew this when he was appointed.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 5, 2020 3:09:11 GMT 1
Udoh was offside early in the play, way before he received the ball in the penalty area.
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Post by TheFoz on Feb 5, 2020 3:38:11 GMT 1
That first half was dire. We didn’t even press them and just let the young Liverpool lads do what they want, which must have boosted their confidence a lot.
Why didn’t we have a go? Why did we show an Under 23 team so much respect?
An embarrassing performance and the blame is on Ricketts for being so negative tactically. No excuses, that cup game was there to be won and we basically parked the bus against a youth side.
Credit to the young Liverpool team for the win but I think even their Under 16 side would have have beaten our lot tonight.
I didn’t expect a win but I’m just disappointed by the way we went about that, we didn’t even try to play football.
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Post by wayahead on Feb 5, 2020 4:37:30 GMT 1
Did any one else notice Laurent go straight down the tunnel at the end? Couldnt give a s**t. Don’t care what anyone else says he plays for himself. 3 months left in a Shrews shirt then he is off. No chance of him signing a new deal or he’d have done it already. Well a couple of things here. 1. No one could have seen him go straight down the tunnel, because he didn’t. He did not come right up to us fans, but he definitely clapped. How you can say he plays for himself is ridiculous. The kid can’t win on here. Last season, according to some he was shi*te. 2. We have no idea if he has been offered a new deal. Norburn was offered one at the start of the season, why wasn’t he?
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Post by wayahead on Feb 5, 2020 4:48:54 GMT 1
Couldnt give a s**t. Don’t care what anyone else says he plays for himself. 3 months left in a Shrews shirt then he is off. No chance of him signing a new deal or he’d have done it already. I’m bound to get shot down again but despite all the hype and more good (sometimes great) games this season compared to last, Josh Laurent is an incredibly inconsistent & infuriatingly anonymous player at times. Tonight was one of those. First tie he was unplayable, but he is living off that and his November form when these Championship clubs are coming calling. Just my opinion but it’s nothing to do with him ‘playing for himself’, he just isn’t good on a regular basis. This is the way he is and why I would personally suggest we are his level. He has been probably our most consistent performer this season. Has any player won more MOTM matches than him? And how can you say that about today? Who stood out to you from that lot? I’ve been totally behind Ricketts all season, but tonight he got it completely wrong. Did not give any of the more forward thinking players a chance or the defence come to think of it. Tactics very much wrong, how do you give a bunch of kids that amount of respect. IMO you play the system we did at Rochdale and you press high, get in their faces and hurry them, not sit off them and allow them to dictate play and grow into the game. If the front 3 press then the players behind can also press. What’s Laurent suppose to do when he has obviously been told to sit and let them have the ball. His game is about pressing high. Another Laurent hater!!
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Post by wayahead on Feb 5, 2020 4:56:33 GMT 1
Udoh was offside early in the play, way before he received the ball in the penalty area. Does not look like Udoh from the highlights he is definitely on.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 5, 2020 5:07:19 GMT 1
Udoh was offside early in the play, way before he received the ball in the penalty area. Does not look like Udoh from the highlights he is definitely on. This is what is being pointed out on twitter
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 6:28:11 GMT 1
Couldnt go to the game sadly and sounds like I didnt miss alot. Been talking about it all week and everyone has been saying the same, we would never stand a better chance of winning at Anfield.
But what sums it up and indeed the whole Ricketts experience is we couldnt produce a single shot on target, on that stage, against a Liverpool youth team.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Feb 5, 2020 8:03:31 GMT 1
Udoh was offside early in the play, way before he received the ball in the penalty area. Please give your fellow forum users the courtesy of reading the remainder of the thread. Your assertion is false, it was Golbourne who is offside as I have repeatedly stated. Udoh wasn’t offside as the ball wasn’t played to him at that particular juncture.
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 5, 2020 8:21:48 GMT 1
so much for the league being our bread and butter, it seems a lot now judge on a cruel defeat to a side who have won every home game since life began That team is on holiday. We lost to the team that finished bottom of their EFL group.
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