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Post by welshshrew on Feb 5, 2020 19:48:47 GMT 1
We weren't very good last night and went out with a whimper. Unlikely to get a chance like that again for a good while.
More disturbing for me though is the image of Horse's neighbours laughing maniacally for what is alleged to be the ENTIRE journey back home from Merseyside to Shropshire last night.
Was it really as the result of a 1-0 win in an FA Cup replay? Had they killed someone? Was Horse's member accidentally hanging out? Were they massive Brexiteers still riding that wave of delight? Could they have been on the owd Spice?
We're unlikely to ever know. And for me, that's the real tragedy arising from yesterday.
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Post by wayahead on Feb 5, 2020 20:13:55 GMT 1
Unlike you I can read and read exactly what you wrote. You should actually read my post, Your second post sums it up. Why is Laurent the inconsistent one? Is it that the rest are consistently poor? You can say what you quoted about Whalley, Lang, Cummings, Edwards, in fact all of them ...but you choose Laurent, who again IMO has probably been our best player all season. Yes he’s had poor games, but so have the rest, but the rest have had good games also. The team has been inconsistent. They were all decent against Liverpool, all poor against Gillingham, most good against Rochdale all anonymous yesterday. As I said IMO again the system killed them yesterday. If you are asked to hold deep and protect for 90 minutes (against a bunch of kids, I’d like to add) would you expect any of them to shine. Against Liverpool (1st one), you could see the team pressing high second half and winning the ball back up the pitch and Laurent was good. Yesterday when they won the ball back they were deep and couldn’t get out as they were surrounded by red shirts. Don’t tell me you could not see that. But you single out Laurent. That’s why you’re a hater! The first time you jumped on me for daring to suggest Laurent’s inconsistency was in a thread about Josh Laurent. When I mentioned it this time, it was in defence of him, ffs. It’s a lot fairer to bemoan a player who often produces way below what he’s capable of, than unfairly label him as ‘playing for himself’, a point I was clearly arguing against. Goss isn’t good enough, evidently. Has something, rarely shows it. Lang was horse s**t last night despite his running in my opinion. I’ve long thought Edwards is way past it & have said so, particularly when he first joined. Whalley’s legs are clearly getting the better of him since Bolton away because he’s in the poorest form I can remember from him, but his contributions over a long period have been phenomenal. Hope you’re happy with that! Listen I’m always happy, even when I read your rubbish! Still not getting my point, he seems to be the one people like you go for. I don’t seem you mention anybody else until challenged. I don’t believe it has been an inconsistency, the boy plays all over the park, in different positions and then different shapes. Last night was not about anyone being inconsistent, because yes Edwards worked hard, but zero came from it because the whole team was sat too deep. So don’t look at inconsistencies of players look at tactics and team set shape, it plays a much bigger part than a player being inconsistent. Play a shape and set out a team that gives players a chancery be consistent, play to a players strengths, not the opponents.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 5, 2020 20:18:57 GMT 1
Well, that was disappointing after all the excitement of the first game, but the reality is we got what we deserved for showing a bunch of (admittedly very talented) kids far too much respect. We were lucky in that our sat nav rerouted us around the accident very soon after it happened so despite a 4.5 hour drive we were parked up by 16:30. A stroll round Anfield, a trip to Goodison to get our tickets and a decent Chinese meal set us up nicely. Sadly, that was as good as it got.
Utterly appalling seats, at the back row of block 129 in the corner, facing back across the away end. The only way I could see enough of the pitch was to stand so it was like watching through a letterbox.
We never got going in the first 45, defending fairly desperately and dropping back to a defensive position far too readily. I said before and I say it again with hindsight, but I really believed to win the game we needed a high tempo press, making Liverpool play a league 1 game, but instead we just gave them time to settle and to grow in confidence. Despite that we managed the first half pretty comfortably and finally started to get a foothold in the 2nd period.
I can't criticise the VAR decision, but I will criticise VAR. As others have said, on present interpretation that was offside, but if VAR is going to ruin games by making picky decisions like that which fundamentally change games then VAR needs to change as I'm sure we all prefer the old system to this forensic and clinical process which like a vacuum simply sucks all the drama and emotion out of it. I know we were fortunate given the decisions that went our way in the first game that might very well have seen us 3-0 down even before any late consolation from Cummings so I'll leave it there but I'm sure we can add our voices to quite fair criticism of VAR and, thankfully, an acceptance from the authorities that it needs to evolve at least and be massively overhauled at best.
After that we still looked more offensive, with Udoh in particular putting in a decent shift. We weathered some very strong pressure and looked to have come through it before we gifted yet another calamitous og. I get Williams had to do something with it but a flick on corner would have been the obvious option but there was no way back after that and things faded pretty quickly.
With road closures on the M6 and A14 we made it back to Suffolk at 03:00, and was up for work at 06:45. I enjoyed much of the anticipation and some of the experience, but the reality is we've embarrassed ourselves and we've let ourselves down. As others have rightly said, we have the players, we have genuinely decent players (and in Fej we did have a natural goal scorer!) but we have a naive and out of his depth manager who simply doesn't know how to get the best out of a decent squad. As a consequence we have squandered an astonishingly good opportunity to get a win at Anfield and to line up yet another decent game - if we'd have given it a go and come up short there'd be no criticism from me, but given we already knew that our league season was over, to go out with such a pathetic whimper is unforgivable and the fault lies squarely with Ricketts.
I don't know how long some on here expect us to keep bumbling along for in this manner before they lose patience, but for me, it's now time for a change, while a new man still has some time this season to get used to the decent squad we've got. If we don't we'll be having just the same discussion in April. This is the weakest league 1 I think I've seen in our years back at this level, I don't expect us to be top two or even top 6, but we should be consistent and competitive with the budget we have and very readily top ten or top half, and we're nothing of the sort. In fact, if it wasn't for Bolton and Bury I suspect we'd be looking very nervously over our shoulder right now as a tired, incoherent, disorganised and demotivated squad scratched around desperately and quite possibly in vain for the points it needed to stave off relegation.
Not good enough Sam - you know where the door is.
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 5, 2020 20:22:52 GMT 1
The first time you jumped on me for daring to suggest Laurent’s inconsistency was in a thread about Josh Laurent. When I mentioned it this time, it was in defence of him, ffs. It’s a lot fairer to bemoan a player who often produces way below what he’s capable of, than unfairly label him as ‘playing for himself’, a point I was clearly arguing against. Goss isn’t good enough, evidently. Has something, rarely shows it. Lang was horse s**t last night despite his running in my opinion. I’ve long thought Edwards is way past it & have said so, particularly when he first joined. Whalley’s legs are clearly getting the better of him since Bolton away because he’s in the poorest form I can remember from him, but his contributions over a long period have been phenomenal. Hope you’re happy with that! Listen I’m always happy, even when I read your rubbish! Still not getting my point, he seems to be the one people like you go for. I don’t seem you mention anybody else until challenged. I don’t believe it has been an inconsistency, the boy plays all over the park, in different positions and then different shapes. Last night was not about anyone being inconsistent, because yes Edwards worked hard, but zero came from it because the whole team was sat too deep. So don’t look at inconsistencies of players look at tactics and team set shape, it plays a much bigger part than a player being inconsistent. Play a shape and set out a team that gives players a chancery be consistent, play to a players strengths, not the opponents. People like me? How dare my opinion be different to yours! I go to every match and form an opinion on players, that’s the way it is. You think Josh Laurent is either fantastic and when he’s not, it’s not his fault. I think he’s either fantastic or rubbish, depending which Josh Laurent turns up. There’s much worse criticism about than a claim about a Town midfielder being inconsistent. Check out my views on Edwards, Golbourne and Payne over the years if you like. 😉 Have a nice day!
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Post by claphamshrew on Feb 5, 2020 20:38:12 GMT 1
Bit of a random one but does anyone know if any of Josh Laurent’s friends or family post on here?
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Post by northwestman on Feb 5, 2020 21:18:18 GMT 1
With Coventry and Oxford also going out last night, presumably we get a cut of this prize fund:- This season a 'progress prize' has been made available to the club which goes furthest in the FA Cup from each Football League division. The side from the Championship, League One and League Two will get £250,000 if they are the last still standing in the knockout competition. The prize will be divided equally amongst the last remaining teams if they exit at the same time. Portsmouth are through to the next round. Ah yes, I'd forgotten Portsmouth!
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Post by horse01 on Feb 5, 2020 21:25:36 GMT 1
We weren't very good last night and went out with a whimper. Unlikely to get a chance like that again for a good while. More disturbing for me though is the image of Horse's neighbours laughing maniacally for what is alleged to be the ENTIRE journey back home from Merseyside to Shropshire last night. Was it really as the result of a 1-0 win in an FA Cup replay? Had they killed someone? Was Horse's member accidentally hanging out? Were they massive Brexiteers still riding that wave of delight? Could they have been on the owd Spice? We're unlikely to ever know. And for me, that's the real tragedy arising from yesterday. Good try!! However, they were relatives not neighbours. And they were from West Derby - in Liverpool, not Shropshire!! The journey lasted approximately 8 minutes!! And if my member was hanging out, I’m sure I’d have felt the breeze?! (Or got gravel rash!!) ;-)
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Post by tvor on Feb 5, 2020 21:31:10 GMT 1
From twitter, look familiar?
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 5, 2020 21:36:46 GMT 1
From twitter, look familiar? Bloody hell - that's uncanny - perhaps we should call it 'doing a Ricketts'!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 23:45:02 GMT 1
I know I’m slow but I’ve just realized that we have scored 4 goals and Liverpool have scored just 1 in our recent Cup games . Incredibly we are out and they go through . How’s that fair . Sort it out Ricketts.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 6, 2020 1:04:02 GMT 1
I know I’m slow but I’ve just realized that we have scored 4 goals and Liverpool have scored just 1 in our recent Cup games . Incredibly we are out and they go through . How’s that fair . Sort it out Ricketts. we scored 5 the best one got brushed under the carpet and will be forgotten forever
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 6, 2020 9:21:57 GMT 1
First thing I said was that they actually only scored one goal against us. Shropshire generosity did all the hard work for them.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 6, 2020 10:27:12 GMT 1
First thing I said was that they actually only scored one goal against us. Shropshire generosity did all the hard work for them. yes and who was it, Curtis Jones we've have fans making all sorts of comparisons with the Liverpool side on Tuesday he didn't play in 2 of the 3 Micky mouse cup games but did score the winner v evertons full strengh side has played in the first team in premier games both this year and last year played all the league / fa cup cup games. ( except the villa one) probably has 90%+ of other premier teams wishing he was starting for them next game and if he was for sale, id guess would be well into 8 figures
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