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Post by criftins on Oct 23, 2019 8:25:43 GMT 1
So tonight I think the booing at the team at halftime and full time was totally and utterly unwarranted. Did we play great? No. Did we play horrendously? No. We played well in patches and were dreadful in others which frankly has been the story of our season. I don’t really get what fans expect exactly and I don’t think it’s a coincidence we seem to be playing better away from home from the booing brigade. I just thought it would be interesting to hear from fans who are booing and their reasons why. I just think the stick Ricketts and the team are getting at the moment is wrong. Roll on Sunderland. No I didn’t boo but fully support those that did, what I saw was a dis jointed team lacking cohesion and confidence . Every time Giles gets the ball his first thought is play it back to one of the CBS. Now is that down to his clear lack of confidence or Ricketts tactics, probably a bit of both. The way we set up and our tactics are negative, last night was an ideal game to take the shackles off and have a go, it until the 80th minute till we did, and we looked much better for the last 10 mins. plenty of supporters around me in block 14 are all of the same opinion as the comments I’ve made. Its clear Ricketts isn’t going to change his formation, he lacks the ability to change things during the game but for me the biggest sign of problems is that the players look nervous and edgy. I’m currently debated how much more of this lacklustre boring style I can take.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 8:29:18 GMT 1
I never wanted Ricketts in charge in the first place, I wanted him gone at the end of last season and I still want him out tonight. Why? Because there's no entertainment. I've forked out a fortune so far this season following this club up and down the country (including Friday's borefest at Lincoln) and I'm slowly getting fed up now. I almost went to the ticket office after the game to ask for a refund on my Wycombe away ticket in 2 weeks time. Paying £20 each week (excluding travel expenses) and getting next to no entertainment. Get Ricketts out before we lose some more fans. I still feel we should have gone for Mike Flynn from Newport instead of Ricketts. I thought he was sounded out but decided to stay at Newport some time or other.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 23, 2019 8:43:09 GMT 1
Yes I think he did.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2019 8:48:17 GMT 1
Feels like Sam's painted himself into a corner with a long two months ahead before we can strengthen. Our best hope at the moment is to keep grinding out draws and relying on the frankly woeful standard of some of the other teams in this division to chuck a couple of points our way. Yes, we are in need of a Carlton Morris type of player who can not only do the running of Lang but can also win some headers from the interminable long balls we've been pumping forward. We lack a target man and there isn't one in the squad (I'm not counting LJL). Hopefully, Edwards might be able to provide some positivity and attacking intent, and maybe Thompson if he's ever given a game, but I agree that we've overloaded ourselves with mediocrity in midfield. McCormick struggles to even gain a place on the bench. I cannot understand what was the urgency to sign Walker last season, pay Crewe a fee and then not be able to play him until this season, as so far he's hardly stood out. Vincelot has turned out to be a sick note player, who looks like he'll be running down the rest of his contract on the treatment table. With Sears out for the season, we have no real cover for Love unless Whalley plays wing back, which hasn't been entirely successful in the past. Golbourne is presumably the cover for Giles, but although a better defender is no wing back. So the evidence is there that we need to strengthen. But there are 10 more League games between now and January.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2019 9:09:26 GMT 1
I still feel we should have gone for Mike Flynn from Newport instead of Ricketts. I thought he was sounded out but decided to stay at Newport some time or other. Unfortunately for Mr Flynn he is a Sagittarius so auto rule out for Roly
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 9:11:18 GMT 1
Booing your own team is just absolutely p**s poor . Why do people do it . To just stand there and go “boo , boo “ wtf is that all about . Utterly and completely embarrassing apart from being childish in the extreme. I get p**sed off but would never dream of booing my own team. Get a f.ckin grip for Christ sake or if people can’t , stay at home and boo at the tv . Bloody imbeciles. I’d be amazed if anyone is booing the team. The team are carrying out the managers instructions of being boring & negative... There’s some VERY good players here not being allowed to play their game - it’s the staff that are being booed. As I alluded to at the start of the season, he has to take the shackles off the players. If he won’t, he goes. I’m sure as the players walk off the pitch to the sound of “Boo , Boo” they turn to one another and say “ Don’t worry lads , it’s not meant for us ? It’s for the gaffer .” Do you really think that’s what’s going through the players minds as they walk down the tunnel . Let me put it another way , perhaps the “team “ that I mention encompasses the players and management team ? Whatever , it is not what I enjoy hearing at a Town match and consider it embarrassing!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2019 9:16:32 GMT 1
i dont understand fans who boo i think it is unhelpfull but i do feel frustrated when we are home playing a poor team and show so little ambition and pass it back repetedly when attacking options could be available. but then i recall morrison's interview www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2019/09/14/comment-steve-morison-is-right-we-dont-understand-the-plans/“Myself watching Wales, and England the other night in the 5-3 game, we can all critique it, and say ‘why isn’t that player doing x, y or z?’ But you don’t know what the player has been asked to do. “That’s why it’s incredibly hard. Pundits on TV are exactly the same. It doesn’t matter how many games you’ve played, top, top pundits at top levels, they don’t know what a player has been asked to do.” Football is a game of opinions and, as fans and onlookers, we all think we see and know best. We all believe we have a basic understanding to grasp what we are watching. But, the truth is, as Morison explained in the oddly eye-opening clip, none of us ‘truly’ understand what Ricketts or any other manager or coach asked of players behind closed doors."
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2019 10:14:56 GMT 1
I don’t boo Tonight was a very poor day at the office. Mr Ricketts knows that and doesn’t need the fans berating players to remind him. However some of these bad days are becoming too frequent. The first half tonight reminded me of the Fleetwood game. We don’t need to be cautious at home. We need Jon Nolan back, rapido Nolan was overrated and would add nothing but another sideways passer to the midfield. Docherty is who I'd pay very, very good money to have back! Did you not see the performance dave Edwards put in tonight ? We already have the perfect man for the job and he looks ready and I fully expect him to start on Saturday Not still booing because Doherty wasn’t in the starting xi are we 🙄
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 23, 2019 10:45:16 GMT 1
I booed them off at half time... no regrets it was super poor and massively dull. They came out second half and did slightly better so it worked All in though, i'm not calling for him to be sacked but his run as manger so far has been pretty poor Hes won 10 of 39 league games.... just TEN... win percentage of 26%.... in that time we have scored 39 goals in 39 games - one a game (worse this season 11 in 13). Now we are stuck with a tactic hes welded to that simply will not see us score many at home, but is actually a decent tactic away (but still dull as dish water) He entering that period where he needs to sort these issues out that have been pointed out across numerous threads and social media, many of which have been with us all season or you will see more and more fans turn I think.... Hes not in the trouble Askey was this time last year, but hes also not free wheeling it like he was at the start of the season when a clean slate appears to have been given by lots. My observation is from he match last night (and some of the recent away games) patience is starting to run thin with what we are seeing.... and thats nothing to do with league position. We have scored less than we did under Askey last season. They only thing saving a worse comparison is that the better defense means we are 6 points better off after 13 games this year. Need to keep doing that to retain the faith.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 23, 2019 11:05:44 GMT 1
Ricketts stated after the match we were poor first half and we didn't push forward enough. No explication why, he didn't take responsibity. He just stated it like it was one of those things. Once he was told what to do by the crowd the team looked dangerous and were unlucky not to score a winner at the end. Maybe he has learnt a lesson tonight. Or maybe he will just pat himself on the back for turning the game around with his top notch subs and tactics.... How exactly does Ricketts take responsibility for the players not doing what they were supposed to do? He said there was a lack of intensity, that players didn't pass forward enough but played sideways and back - you want him to say that's not what I instructed them to do but I'll take responsibility for it!? So he "was told what to do by the crowd" was he and maybe learned a lesson from their wisdom? Oh, man ….. B&A never lets me down - no matter how fed up I feel with a manager after a game there'll always be some daft posts like this to get me supporting him again.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 23, 2019 11:16:43 GMT 1
I do also sense a big split in the fanbase as to this issue Are the players not carrying out Ricketts instructions OR Are the players carrying out EXACTLY Ricketts instructions ?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 23, 2019 11:42:48 GMT 1
Ricketts stated after the match we were poor first half and we didn't push forward enough. No explication why, he didn't take responsibity. He just stated it like it was one of those things. Once he was told what to do by the crowd the team looked dangerous and were unlucky not to score a winner at the end. Maybe he has learnt a lesson tonight. Or maybe he will just pat himself on the back for turning the game around with his top notch subs and tactics.... How exactly does Ricketts take responsibility for the players not doing what they were supposed to do? He said there was a lack of intensity, that players didn't pass forward enough but played sideways and back - you want him to say that's not what I instructed them to do but I'll take responsibility for it!? So he "was told what to do by the crowd" was he and maybe learned a lesson from their wisdom? Oh, man ….. B&A never lets me down - no matter how fed up I feel with a manager after a game there'll always be some daft posts like this to get me supporting him again. To be fair, there are a few examples of Sam making the exact sub that was being called for by the fans and then getting a result; Wycombe at home last season (Doherty on); Accy away this season (Udoh and Feji on); Last night (Whalley); Probably a few more too. Whether it's just a case of these being obvious subs or the fans genuinely called it right, I've rarely ever seen as stubborn a town manager when it comes to actually making a change, even when it's obvious things are not going our way. I get the impression Sam sees himself as a deep football thinker and hates admitting he's got it wrong, hence the reluctance to make changes.
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 23, 2019 12:09:21 GMT 1
The only reason people are getting in a flap about the situation we’re in, is because of the season we got to the playoff final under hurst. People dared to dream, we were very close to being a championship club - imagine! People forget the 20 years previous s**te football, any thing less than playoffs is now viewed as failure. Lets take that one season out of the equation and this is probably the healthiest we’ve been in the league for 30 years..? And everyone would be buzzing that we’re only 4 points off the playoffs. I'm not sure about that. It's just ****ing boring. I agree any 'Ricketts out' sentiment is OTT and he will be safe in his job as long as there's a decent points buffer between us and the relegation zone. But if the means start failing to justify the ends he could be in trouble.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:51 GMT 1
Only Wigan Athletic, Bolton Wanderers and the mob down at the Biscuit tin have scored fewer goals in the entire football league than Salop
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2019 13:05:12 GMT 1
Nolan was overrated and would add nothing but another sideways passer to the midfield. Docherty is who I'd pay very, very good money to have back! Practically everything we did as an attacking force in a season in which we finished third ran through 'overrated' Jon Nolan. Completely disagree, i'd say the majority was Godfrey spreading it to Whalley / Rodman and attacking from there.
Nolan was a decent enough League One player, but vastly overrated. Docherty was far better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 13:06:34 GMT 1
It's important to distinguish different elements of our fanbase who are booing.
There are those who haven't liked Ricketts from day one and want him gone, they appear to take joy in us not doing well so they can boo, hound the manager and tell the rest of us how right they are.
Then there are those who I like to call class as the type who call/text in the verdict on Radio Shropshire, when things are going well we are the best team in the world, when we don't we are dire and Ricketts is the worst manager they have ever seen. There is no middle ground and therefore if we fail to win the world is going to end
Then those are who more realistic fans who are booing because they feel frustrated/bored by what they are witnessing on a regular basis, dull, defensive, static football with no real plans other than to ping it out wide to Giles and then hope.
I'm not at the stage of booing but people I went with did and I can understand why. I think it is ridiculous to talk about sacking Ricketts, however equally if I were to hear he was no longer manager of us I wouldn't be disappointed. As has been said regularly, it is a strange season
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2019 13:06:43 GMT 1
Nolan was overrated and would add nothing but another sideways passer to the midfield. Docherty is who I'd pay very, very good money to have back! Did you not see the performance dave Edwards put in tonight ? We already have the perfect man for the job and he looks ready and I fully expect him to start on Saturday Not still booing because Doherty wasn’t in the starting xi are we 🙄 I'd don't generally boo, i just don't clap if i feel the team are under par.
You can't seriously compare and aging Edwards with injury issues to Docherty? Come on, what is Ricketts slipping you to post this nonsense?
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 23, 2019 13:20:10 GMT 1
Its begs the question of how long have some of the people on here have been watching Salop, I say on here, as contary to popular self belief they do not represent the majority who attend games. I have been watching Town for many years and the "entertaining" seasons are very few and far between, so I don't understand where the comparison is coming from (apart from the obvious one a couple of years ago that some seem to hang onto like a comfort blanket). Maybe I am missing something and should we see relegation seasons and battles as a positive due to the perception a few games were entertaining. Are we forgetting some good games already this season, Portsmouth, Rochdale, Southend, Accrington, and I was under the impression that they banned the issuing of goldfish!!
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 23, 2019 15:50:25 GMT 1
Don't know how many of you have ran a bus from outlying areas and tried to drum up support to keep it running. There's no Bank of England waiting to bale you out. If you lose cash, it comes out of your own pocket. The bus company are a business, and quite rightly want their money. So if you want sympathy, it's in the Oxford Dictionary between s**t and syphilis. It's fair to say, the paying passengers weren't impressed with the fayre on offer tonight. Forgot to say, this ought to be pinned to the door of Sam's office. Loyal fans actually going out of their way to drum up support and arrange transport to bring people in from the more far flung reaches of the county now seeing themselves out of pocket as interest dwindles courtesy of the current offering. Hope it doesn't put you off continuing to run the bus, jt.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2019 16:18:45 GMT 1
Did you not see the performance dave Edwards put in tonight ? We already have the perfect man for the job and he looks ready and I fully expect him to start on Saturday Not still booing because Doherty wasn’t in the starting xi are we 🙄 I'd don't generally boo, i just don't clap if i feel the team are under par.
You can't seriously compare and aging Edwards with injury issues to Docherty? Come on, what is Ricketts slipping you to post this nonsense?
you can quote any midfielder in the world, they won't be playing on saturday, whereas Edwards could last season you were moaning about stability and tinkering with tactics, we sit 4 points from the play offs and have only lost 1 of our last 8 games we have a solid defence, steady formation, been unlucky with injuries and now you and others are still not happy you now want entertaining ? if we suddenly become the Harlem globetrotters of league 1 you still won't be happy how about getting Diana ross in for a half time show and maybe a couple of clowns making you a poodle from balloons ? ;-)
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 23, 2019 16:28:10 GMT 1
Don't know how many of you have ran a bus from outlying areas and tried to drum up support to keep it running. There's no Bank of England waiting to bale you out. If you lose cash, it comes out of your own pocket. The bus company are a business, and quite rightly want their money. So if you want sympathy, it's in the Oxford Dictionary between s**t and syphilis. It's fair to say, the paying passengers weren't impressed with the fayre on offer tonight. Forgot to say, this ought to be pinned to the door of Sam's office. Loyal fans actually going out of their way to drum up support and arrange transport to bring people in from the more far flung reaches of the county now seeing themselves out of pocket as interest dwindles courtesy of the current offering. Hope it doesn't put you off continuing to run the bus, jt. Nah. I just support our leader who organises it. I'm a bit like Gordon Ottershaw from Ripping Yarns who supports Barnstoneworth United, I keep turning up. Golden Gordon is probably still on Youtube. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it. My favourite bit is when the coach says, "I didn't come here on a free transfer from Walsall to talk about shorts". www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074s9h
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2019 16:30:58 GMT 1
I booed them off at half time... no regrets it was super poor and massively dull. They came out second half and did slightly better so it worked All in though, i'm not calling for him to be sacked but his run as manger so far has been pretty poor Hes won 10 of 39 league games.... just TEN... win percentage of 26%.... in that time we have scored 39 goals in 39 games - one a game (worse this season 11 in 13). Now we are stuck with a tactic hes welded to that simply will not see us score many at home, but is actually a decent tactic away (but still dull as dish water) He entering that period where he needs to sort these issues out that have been pointed out across numerous threads and social media, many of which have been with us all season or you will see more and more fans turn I think.... Hes not in the trouble Askey was this time last year, but hes also not free wheeling it like he was at the start of the season when a clean slate appears to have been given by lots. My observation is from he match last night (and some of the recent away games) patience is starting to run thin with what we are seeing.... and thats nothing to do with league position. We have scored less than we did under Askey last season. They only thing saving a worse comparison is that the better defense means we are 6 points better off after 13 games this year. Need to keep doing that to retain the faith. maybe boo them before the game on saturday you should change your name to negative stat pricey ;-) sounds like you are wanting a quick fix miracle look at our defence and out of them who we actually own I'd say that's a quick fix miracle compared to last season some untimely injuries have not helped this season in midfield and up front we have also on conceded pretty much a goal a game too 5th best defence in the league we sign 2 forwards who both hit the ground running but again fitness and injuries is an issue lets be fair, most agreed mid table would be progress this season we are bang on par for that
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2019 16:40:22 GMT 1
I'd don't generally boo, i just don't clap if i feel the team are under par.
You can't seriously compare and aging Edwards with injury issues to Docherty? Come on, what is Ricketts slipping you to post this nonsense?
you can quote any midfielder in the world, they won't be playing on saturday, whereas Edwards could last season you were moaning about stability and tinkering with tactics, we sit 4 points from the play offs and have only lost 1 of our last 8 games we have a solid defence, steady formation, been unlucky with injuries and now you and others are still not happy you now want entertaining ? if we suddenly become the Harlem globetrotters of league 1 you still won't be happy how about getting Diana ross in for a half time show and maybe a couple of clowns making you a poodle from balloons ? ;-) you can quote any midfielder in the world, they won't be playing on saturday, whereas Edwards could True
last season you were moaning about stability and tinkering with tactics, True we sit 4 points from the play offs and have only lost 1 of our last 8 games True
we have a solid defence, steady formation, been unlucky with injuries True
and now you and others are still not happy Not true, i'm happy enough, just want us to attack a bit more and a bit quicker, especially at home
you now want entertaining? The odd entertaining attack wouldn't go a miss no.
if we suddenly become the Harlem globetrotters of league 1 you still won't be happy Never asked for us to be this once. Asking for us to attack more at home against sides below us and out of form isn't asking for that much really in my opinion.
how about getting Diana ross in for a half time show and maybe a couple of clowns making you a poodle from balloons ? ;-) Plain odd
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 23, 2019 16:58:57 GMT 1
I didn't boo and I wish people didn't. I didn't applaud at the end either and I am bringing a newspaper to read at the Sunderland game.
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 23, 2019 17:21:25 GMT 1
Bit weird that the notion people watch football to be entertained is being mocked.
Okay, on one level it's a 'business' - but that would be the entertainment business.
Otherwise, we might as well be paying to watch stock-taking in the club shop, or sales at the ticket office.
Some seem to take a perverse pride in excusing the most dour football, as if it marks them out as pragmatic and superior to the simple plebs who like to see a few goals.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2019 17:31:43 GMT 1
Bit weird that the notion people watch football to be entertained is being mocked. Okay, on one level it's a 'business' - but that would be the entertainment business. Otherwise, we might as well be paying to watch stock-taking in the club shop, or sales at the ticket office. Some seem to take a perverse pride in excusing the most dour football, as if it marks them out as pragmatic and superior to the simple plebs who like to see a few goals. Mulhearn, Gregory, Fellows, Moore, Holton, Bridgwood, Roberts, Moir, Wood, Andrews, Groves. Goals at both ends, and still one of my favourite Town Teams.
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Post by tvor on Oct 23, 2019 17:46:38 GMT 1
Bit weird that the notion people watch football to be entertained is being mocked. Okay, on one level it's a 'business' - but that would be the entertainment business. Otherwise, we might as well be paying to watch stock-taking in the club shop, or sales at the ticket office. Some seem to take a perverse pride in excusing the most dour football, as if it marks them out as pragmatic and superior to the simple plebs who like to see a few goals. An excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 17:54:08 GMT 1
Bit weird that the notion people watch football to be entertained is being mocked. Okay, on one level it's a 'business' - but that would be the entertainment business. Otherwise, we might as well be paying to watch stock-taking in the club shop, or sales at the ticket office. Some seem to take a perverse pride in excusing the most dour football, as if it marks them out as pragmatic and superior to the simple plebs who like to see a few goals. Spot on. Your casual fan is going to give us a swerve if we continue to bore the @rse of them. Maybe even some of the hardcore will start to wonder if it's worth it on a cold winter day/night.
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Post by tvor on Oct 23, 2019 18:13:12 GMT 1
With Sears out for the season The view in April was that Sears would be missing for about nine months. The latest update is that he is stepping up his rehab, there is every chance he could be available to play a part in the latter part of the season.
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Post by tvor on Oct 23, 2019 18:19:47 GMT 1
The only reason people are getting in a flap about the situation we’re in, is because of the season we got to the playoff final under hurst. People dared to dream, we were very close to being a championship club - imagine! People forget the 20 years previous s**te football, any thing less than playoffs is now viewed as failure. Lets take that one season out of the equation and this is probably the healthiest we’ve been in the league for 30 years..? And everyone would be buzzing that we’re only 4 points off the playoffs. I'm not sure about that. It's just ****ing boring. I agree any 'Ricketts out' sentiment is OTT and he will be safe in his job as long as there's a decent points buffer between us and the relegation zone. But if the means start failing to justify the ends he could be in trouble. Agreed, any talk of Ricketts out at the moment is daft. However, for many I'm not sure that Ricketts has managed to establish much of a rapport and therefore the amount of goodwill he has in the bank should we have a really poor run of results is questionable. Some managers do manage to establish more of a rapport and can be better placed to ride out poor spells as a result. Hopefully we won't have such a spell this season but, as you you say, if the means start failing to justify the ends he may find himself under a fair bit of pressure and criticism.
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