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Post by scooter on Apr 15, 2019 11:05:31 GMT 1
Reading some comments on this and other threads, it’s good to see some fans patting each other on the back for masterminding our improved fortunes. Where would we be if Ricketts made his own decisions instead of following the seasoned advice of our wise and wonderful fans? Joint coaches of the season, the STFC supporters managerial advisory group! Who needs a Director of Football when such wisdom is freely available? Deluded, much ......? The people mentioning it are not the ones who were there. I assume some (or all)are just taking the p**s As Throbsblackhat says, it was more about us listening to Sam explain his reasoning Despite people saying different I think people are really expecting a repeat of last season, and anything less is criticised. SR had a tough start,has turned it round and we have 50 points with 4 games to go and are 13th, our best position this season Looking forward to next season
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2019 11:21:26 GMT 1
Reading some comments on this and other threads, it’s good to see some fans patting each other on the back for masterminding our improved fortunes. Where would we be if Ricketts made his own decisions instead of following the seasoned advice of our wise and wonderful fans? Joint coaches of the season, the STFC supporters managerial advisory group! Who needs a Director of Football when such wisdom is freely available? Deluded, much ......?
I don't believe for a moment that meeting with Ricketts influenced anything in terms of what he was trying to do.
I do believe it helped some of us understand what he was trying to do.
Our form is no better or worse than the games leading up to that meeting.
I do think the players have benefited from one game a week, which is all their fitness can really handle effectively.
And I think they are understanding their roles better in the system. Which is to be expected with time, but also with the type of coaching Ricketts employs which is very specific in terms of expectations of particular positions. Well put. Some seem reluctant to give Ricketts any credit, which just seems wrong. I saw a post saying we’re in the same position now as when he over, which overlooks the fact that 13th and six points from the bottom four in mid-April is worth a lot more than a 7 point gap and whatever position we occupied in November. But it was the posters referring to the Wycombe game as a “coincidental” turning point that seemed particularly odd, as though our input (booing the manager after a win) had somehow helped the cause. I agree entirely with your point that the meeting, which I thought said a lot about him that he’d do it at that time, helped those present (and the rest of us, via their comments) have a better understanding of what he was doing. Of course nobody’s claiming great things have been achieved this season. But survival and a good Cup run were as much as we could have asked of Ricketts and he’s well on the way to delivering both. He deserves a bit of credit. It’s not been great to watch but neither was Hurst’s first part-season, when El Abd was often our go-to late sub as we hung on for a ground-out result.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 11:23:10 GMT 1
Fair amount of amnesia going on here salop in the main have been awful this season. a couple of victories against fellow dross teams does not give an indication that we suddenly have pep in charge. Not sure about that. It just proves that we are better than a fair few sides in the division and we've more than warranted another go at this level next season. We're currently sat 13th at the minute, that's not too bad at all. Is that our highest position this season? Other than Hurst what has been our highest finish at this level in recent seasons? Appreciate the season isn't over yet but he might be on to do well in comparison to others. He's done OK. Whether he can lead us on to more is still very much to be seen, don't think anyone is getting excited. Just happy that he has turned things around and we're clearly not one of the worse teams in the division at the minute.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 12:03:58 GMT 1
Do think we tend to forget that Ricketts has not yet had one full season of management under his belt nevermind a full season managing in the Football League.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 15, 2019 12:12:01 GMT 1
Aside from last season, what is our highest ever finish in the last 25 years?
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Post by SamHarvey on Apr 15, 2019 13:29:31 GMT 1
Aside from last season, what is our highest ever finish in the last 25 years? 16th in league one under graham turner I believe. 2013/14 season??
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2019 13:56:04 GMT 1
i agree that we would all have to be suddenly looking through rainbow glasses to gloss over what has been a dire season with a lot of dire games. we seem to have improved since ricketts has played a more settled team and let us hope that Ricketts is growing into the job,we are slowly getting closer to safety . whilst recognising that things have improved. i would like to see what he can do after 12 games next season yes we had some good signings Williams has been very good, loan player Campbell has given us pace and a cutting edge, Golbourne is improving for me they are the best players he has brought in. at the time i expressed doubts about Edwards and so far i have not seen anything to show me otherwise( but let us hope a preseason will show us what a fully fit Edwards can do) Mitchell not seen enough to really see what he can do Smith came on for a few minutes as a sub but looked out of his depth but only time will tell we signed a midfielder who is playing the rest of the season for wrexham ,last thing i heard was he was out with a hamstring players i dont rate Cook , Payne Vincelot looked a lightweight, so for me 3 good signings 4 wait and see and 3 not good enough and dont know why we signed them Golbourne was slated by everyone until just recently. How many games did it take him to get up to speed and start winning over some fans? I don’t know, except that it’s a good few more than “lightweight” Vincelot played before he was injured. But one’s a success and the other’s already a failure, eh? Why not cut him some slack and allow that he might need a few games to make an impression, as Golbourne did? i saw Golbourne play in the reserve game as a trailist and i thought he was a neat player, i may have only seen Vincelot play twice but dont rate him,he is defensive midfielder who seems reluctant to get stuck in, how much of this is the legacy of his knee injury who knows. i used the phrase lightweight because he was bullied off the ball and whilst he ran around a lot looked ineffectual.( more first team time he may improve ,he may not) which if you look at my posts on new players is unusual for me. i am entitled to my opinion just as you are , i have been wrong about players in the past and i will be happy to eat humble pie if he prove me wrong.equally i have been frequently right.
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Post by blamber on Apr 15, 2019 14:27:59 GMT 1
Goldbourne was really good - getting better each game. The team looked very solid against Gillingham. Yes the Gills were poor but we never looked in any trouble (although the post did help us 3 mins in). Golbourne was very solid and was always available on the left when we went forward. But as well as Golbourne getting better with every game, I thought Beckles also played really well - a back three suits him and having a run there has built his confidence. We are getting better with each game. And I do give credit to the meeting with the fans because whatever was said seems to have worked. We have a settled side and players playing in their right positions. So credit to the fans (that were there) and Ricketts for listening. It's defused the tension and now has most of pulling in the same direction.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 15, 2019 17:10:15 GMT 1
I don't believe for a moment that meeting with Ricketts influenced anything in terms of what he was trying to do.
I do believe it helped some of us understand what he was trying to do.
Our form is no better or worse than the games leading up to that meeting.
I do think the players have benefited from one game a week, which is all their fitness can really handle effectively.
And I think they are understanding their roles better in the system. Which is to be expected with time, but also with the type of coaching Ricketts employs which is very specific in terms of expectations of particular positions. Well put. Some seem reluctant to give Ricketts any credit, which just seems wrong. I saw a post saying we’re in the same position now as when he over, which overlooks the fact that 13th and six points from the bottom four in mid-April is worth a lot more than a 7 point gap and whatever position we occupied in November. But it was the posters referring to the Wycombe game as a “coincidental” turning point that seemed particularly odd, as though our input (booing the manager after a win) had somehow helped the cause. I agree entirely with your point that the meeting, which I thought said a lot about him that he’d do it at that time, helped those present (and the rest of us, via their comments) have a better understanding of what he was doing. Of course nobody’s claiming great things have been achieved this season. But survival and a good Cup run were as much as we could have asked of Ricketts and he’s well on the way to delivering both. He deserves a bit of credit. It’s not been great to watch but neither was Hurst’s first part-season, when El Abd was often our go-to late sub as we hung on for a ground-out result. It was a shrewd move by Rickets to call a meeting of fans to explain his methods. He met with those that work hard for the club and who might be seen as the movers and shakers amongst the fans and who could perhaps influence the fans mood on social media and especially match day. The booing after the Wycombe WIN meant something had to be done or the toxic atmosphere would seriously affect the players. For what it's worth, I thought the booing was orchestrated and maybe planned beforehand if we lost. As it happened the late win couldn't erase the memory of 80 minutes of dross so the booing went ahead. John Askey suffered much worse treatment and again it looked planned and a week later he was gone despite a first away win. Fan pressure was seen to work with JA and then Rickets was next in their sights. SR is much more media savvy than JA and he headed it off with his charm offensive. Well done SR. The change in tone on this board was very noticeable and very welcome. It's always good to see poachers turn gamekeeper and our movers and shakers are doing a good job. Positive support is vital to the team and it's great we're back on side. The suggestion that our fans representatives influenced Rickets team selection and therefore results, is delusional but that doesn't matter as we're all on the same page now. Well done Sam, you've played a blinder.
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Post by quinnster on Apr 16, 2019 6:46:08 GMT 1
Considering relegation worries for Gills at Home , they were lame, no urgency passion, the crowd were asleep, stadium announcer pushing cheap Season tickets next term, 10 Year low price £, etc, a big change when their glory hunters did that final with us back then. Just saying we doing ok now, deserved the win, the club is stable. Shrews can build on this. Plus the karma for Ipswich.
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 16, 2019 7:19:30 GMT 1
Don't think I can remember a season in this division when there were so many really poor teams which probably explains why there are still so many teams in trouble. The likes of Gillingham, Southend and Sc***horpe our last three opponents really have been shocking. For me only Accrington have impressed at the Meadow this season but they haven't managed to keep it up and are now as bad as everybody else. More Manager changes than I can ever remember as well. Not many stand out games during the season at the Meadow but enjoyed the games against Barnsley and Doncaster who are supposed to be two of the better teams in the division and we beat them with little problem. Great pity we haven't got last years squad this season.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Apr 16, 2019 8:40:26 GMT 1
I can’t remember a season in League One in which people didn’t say they ‘can’t remember a season in League One with that many poor teams’.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 16, 2019 8:48:44 GMT 1
I just can't remember 😨
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 11:44:26 GMT 1
The feedback Ricketts received from supporters at the meeting was about his rotation policy. It has been explained why he's did this, but since then he's kept pretty much the same side and picked up results. My comment up thread was half , because frankly nothing surprises me in football anymore. In many ways we've the good fortune of playing teams away that have hit bad form, brilliant for us, tough on them. At home we have struggled to open teams up recently. We look better organised and have a plan, but it will be interesting to see how Ricketts addresses the final third problems next season when teams sit deep.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 16, 2019 12:21:44 GMT 1
What I find bizarre is some posters' revisionism.
I mean, I get Paul Hurst severely p**sed people off with the manner of his departure, then added insult to injury with his late (albeit entirely predictable raid) for Nsiala and Nolan.
But comparing the situation he over with that Ricketts inherited from Askey is false equivalence writ large.
And as for claiming Hurst was at fault for our defeats in the play-off and Checkatrade finals as he had not rotated the squad enough, please!
It's never fun watching your team fall at the final fence, but you have to get there first .
When it comes to League One over the past quarter-century our sides have NEVER been among the frontrunners - so to dismiss Hurst giving us our best finish in many, many years is churlish in the extreme.
Barring an improbably disastrous run-in Ricketts has earned the right to lead us into next season, no doubt.
He then has the chance to really make his mark and better Hurst's 17/18 campaign - and let's hope he does.
But I wonder how is current uberfans will assess his reign should he jump ship for a better offer?
I hear he has form for it...
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 16, 2019 14:46:24 GMT 1
But I wonder how is current uberfans will assess his reign should he jump ship for a better offer? I hear he has form for it... Found it funny at the time that Caldwell was crying for loyalty and then happily appointed someone who jumped ship after just months in the game without hesitation - he was even banned from managing them before his move here. No doubt he’ll do the same here but I’ll be happy with that because it’ll mean we’re in a much loftier position than 13th...
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 16, 2019 18:49:54 GMT 1
I can’t remember a season in League One in which people didn’t say they ‘can’t remember a season in League One with that many poor teams’. This season has been particularly poor.
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Post by tvor on Apr 22, 2019 18:29:34 GMT 1
Aside from last season, what is our highest ever finish in the last 25 years? 16th in league one under graham turner I believe. 2013/14 season?? 16th in 2012/13 on 55 points.
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