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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 17, 2019 22:26:23 GMT 1
ferji, scored from open play in one of his last 20 games,
and Amadi Holloway has not scored for 14 games.
Exactly the same number as the goals Okenabirhie has scored, as it happens.
And in those 14 games Okenabirhie has scored 4, including a free kick from outside the box, and put the Wolves backline under decent pressure twice while playing up on his own.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 17, 2019 22:46:30 GMT 1
ferji, scored from open play in one of his last 20 games,
and Amadi Holloway has not scored for 14 games.
Exactly the same number as the goals Okenabirhie has scored, as it happens.
And in those 14 games Okenabirhie has scored 4, including a free kick from outside the box, and put the Wolves backline under decent pressure twice while playing up on his own.
all true but he pretty much had 1 touch in 90 mins at rochdale how long do you stick with a player on a bad run ? can't blame rickets for trying them all recently but none have produced anything , thats why id scr@p 2 up top altogether and leave Campbell on his own I seem to remember Spain, at the time maybe the best side in the world often playing with no forwards at all, I'd rather do that than play with 2, it would certainly get the opposition scratching their heads for a while ;-)
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Post by Liam on Mar 17, 2019 22:48:45 GMT 1
Anyone who booed Ricketts at the end is a pathetic hypocrite You cried like little babies when Askey didn’t come over and clap you Ricketts man’s up and claps and you abuse him. Firstly, let me say that I didn't boo at the end (and I haven't for many a year) because we won, but I must admit that until the turnaround I had resolved to do so for the first time in a long time...but then we turned it around, etc, so it wasn't really on. I also think that people would only be hypocrites if they had done both of the things you mention, and I'm not sure that applies to everyone, or even most people who booed Ricketts. Many of the people booing Ricketts clearly think there are more important things than mindless clapping, else they wouldn't have booed him and would be satisfied by banal cliches about the fans indefinitely. However, it's still an interesting point that you make. I think the thing is though is that both of them have taken it to opposite extremes. Askey blatantly couldn't be arsed to insincerely clap unless he meant it, and to some extent I respect that principle, even though I think it was a silly PR own goal. Ricketts is the opposite and has arguably got away with murder to a depressing degree because he is generally PR savvy enough to make a point of clapping each time. Ricketts's record now, however, is no worse than Askey's, so I can't see any justification for Askey nostalgia and Ricketts hatred. I actually think that fans are justifiably annoyed with both, as they've both overseen consistent relegation form.
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Post by quinnster on Mar 17, 2019 22:58:28 GMT 1
The cheering chanting for Docherty was obviously surpporting the guy,and he did the biz when he came on, yet we know it was really a message to SR. This will carry on rest of season particularly whilst it's a lottery regarding who gets relegated. Probably the intensity will increase as the fans got their reward. Been a yo yo club last 15 years or so, that's living memory for the singers mostly, and going back to Lg2 ...again, will damage the club much more, as people will simply give up. Despondency/apathy whatever. Result ?...attendances will drop alongside ST ticket sales , it won't be a bounce back exercise either as we don't have the budgets to throw at the squad or the history of appointing proven managers. This I think is why the crowd is adapting it's behaviour in this current chapter.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 18, 2019 0:04:48 GMT 1
I've never understood why supporters expect managers to give us a dose of clap. I don't even look to be honest. We have to remember that most players and managers are all journeymen. They aren't Juan of us. For every Sharp at Sheffield United, there are hundreds, even thousands of players/managers who are in it for their own ambition. I can Take That, it isn't a problem for me. So can any Juan explain why you gaze expectantly in the direction of the dugouts for some Juan to start clapping like a performing seal at you?
I don't have a problem with either managers or players moving on, as long as they do it in a professional manner, and don't slither under the door on leaving.
Then I laugh like a drain when it goes tits up.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 18, 2019 1:12:47 GMT 1
Oh here we go, the paying public are the disgrace.. of course they ****ing are, not the ineptitude of management & players alike for the most mind numbingly inept 80 minutes you’ll ever see in a relegation battle until fan pressure told and the necessary changes reaped the rewards. Don’t give me any of this ****ing conditions bunkem either. I hate that. Wycombe were utterly dreadful but should have been out of sight with the chances they somehow managed to create & Ricketts watched on as the second half slowly & painfully became worse than the first. What did he do? Nothing. Not one thing, just wait for them to score. He said afterwards he was ‘thinking how to add intensity & running to our performance’ and that phrase alone makes me think he’s here for a laugh. With Fejiri, Grant & Docherty on the bench, he couldn’t have asked for a better trio to add some of that. He was of course going for Payne until he put his job first as the crowd rightly ridiculed such a decision. For the 2nd game running we were so inept that we hardly had a shot on goal, for the 2nd game running our performance deserved early changes, even as early as the first half. Teams up and down the land scored plenty & won games in the wind, don’t give me any of that excuse. Our manager decided to stick with his ‘plan’ for too long & struck lucky that the fans were right. So yeah, I booed him at the end because he got out of jail. That’s 3 unconvincing wins in 17, yesterday’s being totally undeserved. I’m not fickle to think he’s a great manager now because we somehow won it, I want him gone. Today. He thinks Edwards & Golbourne are worthy of starts, he thinks of Holloway over Campbell when we need goals. He plays a winger at right wing back. He rests our best player because of a ‘long trip’ on Tuesday. The guys a loon. And our football under him has been abysmal, I travel the length & breadth of the country to watch every game this lot play & I will not settle for paying £20+ and all other costs that come with it to watch incessant hoofball, a bypassed midfield, a defence totally inept from set pieces and a manager standing there doing nothing about it until his mental team rotation at the next game, win lose or draw. Sam Ricketts football makes me want to gauge my eyes out, or just go home. Very late substitutions coming to fruition was great, I was delighted because the thought of League Two again is as sad as it is depressing but being ‘within 2 points of 13th’ in a terribly s**te league full of evidently s**te teams shouldn’t be acceptable because we are ‘little old Shrewsbury Town’. Fans 2 Wycombe 1. And if you look to the players reactions with the fans for the goals and still think the ‘negativity’ of the support was a hinderace rather than a help you’re deluded, absolutely deluded. They hadn’t pressed or made a tackle in anger until that Docherty substitution got the ground on their feet. And for the ‘some people couldn’t wait for us to lose’ tribe, if you think I went yesterday to boo and hope we lose, get lost. If you think I don’t still hope this is the start of a remarkable turnaround, get lost. But all of the evidence, and that most certainly includes yesterday, we have seen so far suggests he’s incredibly out of his depth. At least I’m not fickle. Thought Askey had an obvious style but paid the price for not picking his natural goalscorer, really think some (many in fact) of our performances in his short spell were encouraging, frustrating yes, but would soon or later come good. I managed to come away pleased with many aspects of what I’d seen, I even managed to enjoy some! I don’t now. Take the 3 points but sack the manager. and you thought sears and Haynes were worthy of a start, but you dont mention that anymore, because you realised no one else did use your eyes instead of your ears and yes, poor old askey, he paid the price for not picking a natural goalscorer ? I presume you mean ferji, who scored in one game for askey, v Tranmere reserves were you shouting for ferji then ? err lets see I think the growing demand that Fejiri ‘has to start’ from quite a number of people is a bit silly. Where exactly does he fit? Go back a game and I’d have had him in for Gilliead just in attempt to find some goals, but Gilliead scored himself the last time out and set a few up recently anyway. Are we really wanting Whalley in the hole again to accommodate Fejiri in a 5 3 2? I don’t think so. I think the next time we look toothless again, it’ll be Fejiri’s time. For this weekend, he’ll need to make another impression from the bench & hope Fleetwood’s keeper is as hopeless as Tranmere’s young lad.
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Post by shrewswolf on Mar 18, 2019 8:54:52 GMT 1
Oh here we go, the paying public are the disgrace.. of course they ****ing are, not the ineptitude of management & players alike for the most mind numbingly inept 80 minutes you’ll ever see in a relegation battle until fan pressure told and the necessary changes reaped the rewards. Don’t give me any of this ****ing conditions bunkem either. I hate that. Wycombe were utterly dreadful but should have been out of sight with the chances they somehow managed to create & Ricketts watched on as the second half slowly & painfully became worse than the first. What did he do? Nothing. Not one thing, just wait for them to score. He said afterwards he was ‘thinking how to add intensity & running to our performance’ and that phrase alone makes me think he’s here for a laugh. With Fejiri, Grant & Docherty on the bench, he couldn’t have asked for a better trio to add some of that. He was of course going for Payne until he put his job first as the crowd rightly ridiculed such a decision. For the 2nd game running we were so inept that we hardly had a shot on goal, for the 2nd game running our performance deserved early changes, even as early as the first half. Teams up and down the land scored plenty & won games in the wind, don’t give me any of that excuse. Our manager decided to stick with his ‘plan’ for too long & struck lucky that the fans were right. So yeah, I booed him at the end because he got out of jail. That’s 3 unconvincing wins in 17, yesterday’s being totally undeserved. I’m not fickle to think he’s a great manager now because we somehow won it, I want him gone. Today. He thinks Edwards & Golbourne are worthy of starts, he thinks of Holloway over Campbell when we need goals. He plays a winger at right wing back. He rests our best player because of a ‘long trip’ on Tuesday. The guys a loon. And our football under him has been abysmal, I travel the length & breadth of the country to watch every game this lot play & I will not settle for paying £20+ and all other costs that come with it to watch incessant hoofball, a bypassed midfield, a defence totally inept from set pieces and a manager standing there doing nothing about it until his mental team rotation at the next game, win lose or draw. Sam Ricketts football makes me want to gauge my eyes out, or just go home. Very late substitutions coming to fruition was great, I was delighted because the thought of League Two again is as sad as it is depressing but being ‘within 2 points of 13th’ in a terribly s**te league full of evidently s**te teams shouldn’t be acceptable because we are ‘little old Shrewsbury Town’. Fans 2 Wycombe 1. And if you look to the players reactions with the fans for the goals and still think the ‘negativity’ of the support was a hinderace rather than a help you’re deluded, absolutely deluded. They hadn’t pressed or made a tackle in anger until that Docherty substitution got the ground on their feet. And for the ‘some people couldn’t wait for us to lose’ tribe, if you think I went yesterday to boo and hope we lose, get lost. If you think I don’t still hope this is the start of a remarkable turnaround, get lost. But all of the evidence, and that most certainly includes yesterday, we have seen so far suggests he’s incredibly out of his depth. At least I’m not fickle. Thought Askey had an obvious style but paid the price for not picking his natural goalscorer, really think some (many in fact) of our performances in his short spell were encouraging, frustrating yes, but would soon or later come good. I managed to come away pleased with many aspects of what I’d seen, I even managed to enjoy some! I don’t now. Take the 3 points but sack the manager. and you thought sears and Haynes were worthy of a start, but you dont mention that anymore, because you realised no one else did use your eyes instead of your ears and yes, poor old askey, he paid the price for not picking a natural goalscorer ? I presume you mean ferji, who scored in one game for askey, v Tranmere reserves were you shouting for ferji then ? err lets see I think the growing demand that Fejiri ‘has to start’ from quite a number of people is a bit silly. Where exactly does he fit? Go back a game and I’d have had him in for Gilliead just in attempt to find some goals, but Gilliead scored himself the last time out and set a few up recently anyway. Are we really wanting Whalley in the hole again to accommodate Fejiri in a 5 3 2? I don’t think so. I think the next time we look toothless again, it’ll be Fejiri’s time. For this weekend, he’ll need to make another impression from the bench & hope Fleetwood’s keeper is as hopeless as Tranmere’s young lad. I still think that’s our best team/lineup, yes. Earlier in the season I rated Askey’s football when others didn’t, and as we hadn’t seen Fejiri at that point, didn’t know he would turn out to be as good as I now think he is. With the benefit of hindsight and Coyne picking him, he’d now be in the team every week if I were lucky enough to be able to pick him, because he’s scored lots of goals & performed so well since then. It’s not that hard to grasp? As for going through my old posts, why? You’re the one that came after my original post, and I’ve just asked you a few questions since. Unfortunately you seem to be in a little bit of an embarrassing panic because you thought your opinion was the popular one and your responses were ‘funny’ and would make my own opinion on the current situation look silly. Unlucky Pilchy.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 18, 2019 9:44:21 GMT 1
and you thought sears and Haynes were worthy of a start, but you dont mention that anymore, because you realised no one else did use your eyes instead of your ears and yes, poor old askey, he paid the price for not picking a natural goalscorer ? I presume you mean ferji, who scored in one game for askey, v Tranmere reserves were you shouting for ferji then ? err lets see I still think that’s our best team/lineup, yes. Earlier in the season I rated Askey’s football when others didn’t, and as we hadn’t seen Fejiri at that point, didn’t know he would turn out to be as good as I now think he is. With the benefit of hindsight and Coyne picking him, he’d now be in the team every week if I were lucky enough to be able to pick him, because he’s scored lots of goals & performed so well since then. It’s not that hard to grasp? As for going through my old posts, why? You’re the one that came after my original post, and I’ve just asked you a few questions since. Unfortunately you seem to be in a little bit of an embarrassing panic because you thought your opinion was the popular one and your responses were ‘funny’ and would make my own opinion on the current situation look silly. Unlucky Pilchy. whatever mate, not everyone who reads this board is stupid and will see through you fact is, your side had 5 differences to the actual one but you've only moaned about Docherty and ferji because you like to fit in with the 'singers' several of which predictably all liked your post but I'd put money on it saying they probably didnt read it ;-) maybe just get behind the town for once
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Mar 18, 2019 10:18:59 GMT 1
The fans pay there money they get to decide what they sing. At least they got behind the team. Beckles has his own chant, but hes been poor all season. Any man and his dog can see docherty is our best player. And ricketts is worse than askey in my book and doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Hope I'm proved wrong of course
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2019 10:22:06 GMT 1
all true but he pretty much had 1 touch in 90 mins at rochdale how long do you stick with a player on a bad run ? can't blame rickets for trying them all recently but none have produced anything , thats why id scr@p 2 up top altogether and leave Campbell on his own I seem to remember Spain, at the time maybe the best side in the world often playing with no forwards at all, I'd rather do that than play with 2, it would certainly get the opposition scratching their heads for a while ;-)
I agree about one up top.
The bring in Whalley / Gillead nearby like at Wolves or have docherty / whalley etc further forward in the midfield.
Back 5 and front 2 gives us too many players in acres of space but not really involved in the game.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2019 10:31:32 GMT 1
Gillead!!!!! Dave mate. Hes been nothing sort of embarrassing this season. We need fighters and battlers in a run in and he's as power puff as it gets. His rotation of of the team permanently is all right with me.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2019 10:52:31 GMT 1
Gillead!!!!! Dave mate. Hes been nothing sort of embarrassing this season. We need fighters and battlers in a run in and he's as power puff as it gets. His rotation of of the team permanently is all right with me.
The principle I was making is two strikers stood there stationary having aimless balls hoofed up to them is far less effective than a single striker with one or two players playing just off him.
Gillead is not the answer, but the position Ricketts has used him in is.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 18, 2019 11:10:55 GMT 1
The line up we had on Saturday was too narrow. We try and bulldoze our way through the middle. Meat and drink to El Abd. Can you not see that we need width to stretch slow Centre Halves? When we did that in the last 10 minutes we were a different team.
Any road up, here's a manager who doesn't hold back with what he thinks. I'm glad he's my manager up north. Although twitter users thought it was funny, I don't think Bollan was laughing.
www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3976229/berwick-rangers-johnny-harvey-cowdenbeath-gary-bollan/
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 18, 2019 13:03:05 GMT 1
Gillead!!!!! Dave mate. Hes been nothing sort of embarrassing this season. We need fighters and battlers in a run in and he's as power puff as it gets. His rotation of of the team permanently is all right with me.
The principle I was making is two strikers stood there stationary having aimless balls hoofed up to them is far less effective than a single striker with one or two players playing just off him.
Gillead is not the answer, but the position Ricketts has used him in is.
i like gillead but in the last game he looked lost, i prefer him as winger but we dont play that system, with the role now expected of him, he pulls out of tackles and seems to shy away from the physical side of the game but my main criticism is he rarely tracks back leaving a huge gap. on the plus side he has pace to burn and he can go a weaving runs that panic defences.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2019 14:08:23 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 18, 2019 14:20:15 GMT 1
congratulations to them and everyone involved in making it happen
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 18, 2019 14:25:08 GMT 1
Anyone who booed Ricketts at the end is a pathetic hypocrite You cried like little babies when Askey didn’t come over and clap you Ricketts man’s up and claps and you abuse him. Firstly, let me say that I didn't boo at the end (and I haven't for many a year) because we won, but I must admit that until the turnaround I had resolved to do so for the first time in a long time...but then we turned it around, etc, so it wasn't really on. I also think that people would only be hypocrites if they had done both of the things you mention, and I'm not sure that applies to everyone, or even most people who booed Ricketts. Many of the people booing Ricketts clearly think there are more important things than mindless clapping, else they wouldn't have booed him and would be satisfied by banal cliches about the fans indefinitely. However, it's still an interesting point that you make. I think the thing is though is that both of them have taken it to opposite extremes. Askey blatantly couldn't be arsed to insincerely clap unless he meant it, and to some extent I respect that principle, even though I think it was a silly PR own goal. Ricketts is the opposite and has arguably got away with murder to a depressing degree because he is generally PR savvy enough to make a point of clapping each time. Ricketts's record now, however, is no worse than Askey's, so I can't see any justification for Askey nostalgia and Ricketts hatred. I actually think that fans are justifiably annoyed with both, as they've both overseen consistent relegation form. Don't get me wrong, I booed them off at half time and would've done at 1-1 full time. The performance was unacceptable. I was on about the boos directed solely at Sam Ricketts. He's not doing a good job but neither have the players all season.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 18, 2019 15:02:42 GMT 1
worthy of a thread on its own rather than tucked away in a thread discussing fans using those seats in a style more suited to the opposition in parliament
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Post by Pilch on Mar 18, 2019 15:06:24 GMT 1
Firstly, let me say that I didn't boo at the end (and I haven't for many a year) because we won, but I must admit that until the turnaround I had resolved to do so for the first time in a long time...but then we turned it around, etc, so it wasn't really on. I also think that people would only be hypocrites if they had done both of the things you mention, and I'm not sure that applies to everyone, or even most people who booed Ricketts. Many of the people booing Ricketts clearly think there are more important things than mindless clapping, else they wouldn't have booed him and would be satisfied by banal cliches about the fans indefinitely. However, it's still an interesting point that you make. I think the thing is though is that both of them have taken it to opposite extremes. Askey blatantly couldn't be arsed to insincerely clap unless he meant it, and to some extent I respect that principle, even though I think it was a silly PR own goal. Ricketts is the opposite and has arguably got away with murder to a depressing degree because he is generally PR savvy enough to make a point of clapping each time. Ricketts's record now, however, is no worse than Askey's, so I can't see any justification for Askey nostalgia and Ricketts hatred. I actually think that fans are justifiably annoyed with both, as they've both overseen consistent relegation form. Don't get me wrong, I booed them off at half time and would've done at 1-1 full time. The performance was unacceptable. I was on about the boos directed solely at Sam Ricketts. He's not doing a good job but neither have the players all season. I'm going to boo the fans next saturday they are on a terrible run
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 18, 2019 16:58:15 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I booed them off at half time and would've done at 1-1 full time. The performance was unacceptable. I was on about the boos directed solely at Sam Ricketts. He's not doing a good job but neither have the players all season. I'm going to boo the fans next saturday they are on a terrible run I thought the Toilet seats "issue" had been put to bed, so to speak
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Post by venceremos on Mar 18, 2019 18:10:08 GMT 1
and you thought sears and Haynes were worthy of a start, but you dont mention that anymore, because you realised no one else did use your eyes instead of your ears and yes, poor old askey, he paid the price for not picking a natural goalscorer ? I presume you mean ferji, who scored in one game for askey, v Tranmere reserves were you shouting for ferji then ? err lets see I still think that’s our best team/lineup, yes. Earlier in the season I rated Askey’s football when others didn’t, and as we hadn’t seen Fejiri at that point, didn’t know he would turn out to be as good as I now think he is. With the benefit of hindsight and Coyne picking him, he’d now be in the team every week if I were lucky enough to be able to pick him, because he’s scored lots of goals & performed so well since then. It’s not that hard to grasp? As for going through my old posts, why? You’re the one that came after my original post, and I’ve just asked you a few questions since. Unfortunately you seem to be in a little bit of an embarrassing panic because you thought your opinion was the popular one and your responses were ‘funny’ and would make my own opinion on the current situation look silly. Unlucky Pilchy. There are no worthwhile posters who come on here to be popular - and you could never accuse Pilch of doing that, he's far too annoying! I'd say you made yourself look silly all on your own.
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 18, 2019 18:47:21 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I booed them off at half time and would've done at 1-1 full time. The performance was unacceptable. I was on about the boos directed solely at Sam Ricketts. He's not doing a good job but neither have the players all season. I'm going to boo the fans next saturday they are on a terrible run I didn’t agree with any of the chants during the game Saturday as I didn’t under Askey either. And I very rarely boo off but Saturday deserved that. We could yet come 12th, which many would’ve surely taken at the start of the season. Try and stick with them all
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2019 9:14:55 GMT 1
I'm going to boo the fans next saturday they are on a terrible run I didn’t agree with any of the chants during the game Saturday as I didn’t under Askey either. And I very rarely boo off but Saturday deserved that. We could yet come 12th, which many would’ve surely taken at the start of the season. Try and stick with them all Would you have been happy with the Payne substitution that was about to happen?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 19, 2019 12:05:12 GMT 1
can you confirm Payne was about to come on ? and for whom and why
was he just standing up ? was there a false alarm with an injury ?
but hey, at least he did the right thing in the end ? he brought Ferji on to fire blanks instead. ( thats ok by the crowd cos he our favourite )
and come on does anyone seriously think if he was about to tactically use Payne he changed his mind due to a few idiots in the crowd ? seriously ?
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 19, 2019 12:16:49 GMT 1
I didn’t agree with any of the chants during the game Saturday as I didn’t under Askey either. And I very rarely boo off but Saturday deserved that. We could yet come 12th, which many would’ve surely taken at the start of the season. Try and stick with them all Would you have been happy with the Payne substitution that was about to happen? Persoanlly I wouldn't have brought Payen on no - but a bit of context please! Payne was top scorer last season with what, 14 goals? How many has Okenabhirie got this season? 14 isn't it? As with Greg Docherty, he seems to get better every game he sits on the bench in fans eyes. Bit embarrassing
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 19, 2019 12:21:10 GMT 1
I come back to the point of all the abuse constantly at the manager, which I fundamentally disagree with
Who made Beckles turn in to Coco the Clown when he got turned and hauled their player down, for the free kick they scored? Who made 2 players bottle 50/50's in the 2nd half (was it Golborne and Laurent?) Who made Arnold keep kicking in to touch so many times? Who made Holloway blast over when it was easier to score 2nd half Who made half our players not be able to pass 5 yards to each other?
These are all individual errors on the pitch. Time they started taking some responsibility in my opinion
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 19, 2019 12:32:23 GMT 1
I come back to the point of all the abuse constantly at the manager, which I fundamentally disagree with Who made Beckles turn in to Coco the Clown when he got turned and hauled their player down, for the free kick they scored? Who made 2 players bottle 50/50's in the 2nd half (was it Golborne and Laurent?) Who made Arnold keep kicking in to touch so many times? Who made Holloway blast over when it was easier to score 2nd half Who made half our players not be able to pass 5 yards to each other? These are all individual errors on the pitch. Time they started taking some responsibility in my opinion i agree the players have to take responsibility , the distribution and first touch will not be helped by low confidence .but we need to see players battling more .
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 19, 2019 12:34:38 GMT 1
Would you have been happy with the Payne substitution that was about to happen? Persoanlly I wouldn't have brought Payen on no - but a bit of context please! Payne was top scorer last season with what, 14 goals? How many has Okenabhirie got this season? 14 isn't it? As with Greg Docherty, he seems to get better every game he sits on the bench in fans eyes. Bit embarrassing Sitting on the bench and getting better in fans eyes has a technical name you know... "The Jimmy Ryan Effect"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 13:04:07 GMT 1
Would you have been happy with the Payne substitution that was about to happen? Persoanlly I wouldn't have brought Payen on no - but a bit of context please! Payne was top scorer last season with what, 14 goals? How many has Okenabhirie got this season? 14 isn't it? As with Greg Docherty, he seems to get better every game he sits on the bench in fans eyes. Bit embarrassing In general I agree with what you are saying and I hate the obsession our fans (and it’s probably the same elsewhere) have with ex players, players out on loan, or players who are sat in the reserves etc. their ability is always exaggerated. I don’t know why I remember it but I always laugh when I think back to when Steve Jagielka was injured and people were blaming his absence for our performances on the pitch, the ultimate clutching at straws. The other thing which is always entertaining is seeing the fans demanding a player comes on, the player comes on but does something wrong however the reaction of the fans is ‘unlucky’, had that been a player they had just replaced then they would have been crucified. Anyway, one of the biggest frustrations people have with Ricketts is the rotation element and people want to get back to basics, ie pick your best team and stick to it. If we were playing well and/or getting results then you could argue that he is being proven right, the reality is before Saturday it was 3 wins in 17 with some god awful performances thrown in. Pre-game we hear all the usual rhetoric about putting the previous 2 games right but turn up to see our leading goalscorer and 2 of our most influential players on the bench in a relegation 6 pointer, we then see a poor performance against an awful side, is it any wonder fans are frustrated? Of course I can understand it when pundits & players question fans berating players/management and plead for unity but when you take into account the above and then see players ducking out of 50/50’s on the pitch, then you cant expect fans to sit back quietly. I don’t agree with booing and I hated the way our fans treated Askey, yet Saturday I booed off the team at half time and admit I was joining in with some of the anti-Ricketts stuff in the second half. Some will say I was a disgrace, personally I think the fact I did it summed up how frustrated I was with what I was witnessing.
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Post by shrewswolf on Mar 19, 2019 13:53:53 GMT 1
I still think that’s our best team/lineup, yes. Earlier in the season I rated Askey’s football when others didn’t, and as we hadn’t seen Fejiri at that point, didn’t know he would turn out to be as good as I now think he is. With the benefit of hindsight and Coyne picking him, he’d now be in the team every week if I were lucky enough to be able to pick him, because he’s scored lots of goals & performed so well since then. It’s not that hard to grasp? As for going through my old posts, why? You’re the one that came after my original post, and I’ve just asked you a few questions since. Unfortunately you seem to be in a little bit of an embarrassing panic because you thought your opinion was the popular one and your responses were ‘funny’ and would make my own opinion on the current situation look silly. Unlucky Pilchy. There are no worthwhile posters who come on here to be popular - and you could never accuse Pilch of doing that, he's far too annoying! I'd say you made yourself look silly all on your own. If you say so....
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