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Post by markievw on Feb 6, 2019 0:31:36 GMT 1
Beckles was at fault for the third goal. Waterfall did alright to be fair.
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Post by tvor on Feb 6, 2019 0:33:07 GMT 1
I quite like Mark Elliott!! I thought this was a post about players! The original subject of the thread was "Waterfall and Arnold must be dropped now". That seems to be largely down to Mark Elliott, again, going off on one about Waterfall tonight despite the goal in question being down to a mistake by Beckles. Hence the comments about Elliott.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 6, 2019 0:41:29 GMT 1
A summariser on the radio being a scapegoat is a new one. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s opinion..... jheeeeeez. Thought Waterfall was fine tonight, often is, but has a mistake in him. Does more than Sadler this season, though. Arnold lacks basics a lot of the time and probably lucky to be a League One footballer. It's the over the top critizm of the team and the personal vendetta against waterfall that is the issue. I think you are underestermating how much power he has with his opinions.
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Post by masshrop on Feb 6, 2019 0:51:16 GMT 1
League 1 defenders making mistakes no s**t sherlock of course they do watch highlights every week on quest championship defenders exactly the same 75% of goals scored through mistakes , he certainly divides opionion does waterfall for what its worth he was good tonight
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 6, 2019 0:52:48 GMT 1
Let's not disregard the fact he is a massive threat (and possibly our only) at attacking set pieces.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 6, 2019 0:54:52 GMT 1
****in hell if you run out of people to blame blame it on the radio commentator . He gives his opinion , that’s it . You’d all be complianing if the analysis was vague and non existent . Not if it was factually correct, or gave the impression of a vague understanding of football.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 6, 2019 0:57:37 GMT 1
A summariser on the radio being a scapegoat is a new one. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s opinion..... jheeeeeez. Thought Waterfall was fine tonight, often is, but has a mistake in him. Does more than Sadler this season, though. Arnold lacks basics a lot of the time and probably lucky to be a League One footballer. Elliot is the one doing the scapegoating. Clearly without any basis of experience or understanding of football. He's got such power to sway opinion and he uses it to stir up negative opinion to generate interest in his own show. It's self-serving and unfair.
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Post by chestershrew on Feb 6, 2019 1:08:50 GMT 1
Waterfall was good tonight and he genuinely looks like he cares. Yes he has a mistake in him, and is a yard too slow, but pair him with a quicker centre back and he will be a decent player.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Feb 6, 2019 1:10:34 GMT 1
Waterfall was good tonight and he genuinely looks like he cares. Yes he has a mistake in him, and is a yard too slow, but pair him with a quicker centre back and he will be a decent player. he can’t mark , he’s slow , he’s a liability .
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Feb 6, 2019 1:11:21 GMT 1
****in hell if you run out of people to blame blame it on the radio commentator . He gives his opinion , that’s it . You’d all be complianing if the analysis was vague and non existent . Not if it was factually correct, or gave the impression of a vague understanding of football. watch the highlights of the goals he is spot on about waterfall .
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 6, 2019 1:12:09 GMT 1
A summariser on the radio being a scapegoat is a new one. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s opinion..... jheeeeeez. Thought Waterfall was fine tonight, often is, but has a mistake in him. Does more than Sadler this season, though. Arnold lacks basics a lot of the time and probably lucky to be a League One footballer. Elliot is the one doing the scapegoating. Clearly without any basis of experience or understanding of football. He's got such power to sway opinion and he uses it to stir up negative opinion to generate interest in his own show. It's self-serving and unfair. Or he’s just literally giving listeners his opinion, a strong one at times maybe to elicit debate, which is what The Verdict etc is all about. Power to sway opinion? Give me a break. Lots of people decided Waterfall wasn’t up to it with their own eyes. He’s been part of the s**t for weeks. I personally think Laurent is a waste of space in the role he generally plays in league game and if I was summariser would say so, much to the disgust of many with a different opinion I’m sure.
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Post by SamHarvey on Feb 6, 2019 1:13:30 GMT 1
Agree with most, thought it was Beckles at fault for wolves third. Don’t understand how waterfall could take the blame for it. Was screaming at beckles to just clear it!
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Post by Jason SFM on Feb 6, 2019 1:15:02 GMT 1
Why should Arnold be dropped? As for Waterfall, it was beckles that caused their 3rd goal despite what that prat on radio Shropshire said. Let's wait for feedback from fans that actually went to the game before sharpening our pitch forks. According to 5 live there was a blatant foul on Beckles leading up to the goal and it should never have been given! As others have said on here, waterfall had a good game tonight & even though Beckles shouldn't have been trying to play silky football in that situation it did seem from where we were standing that he was fouled. I'm guessing that the VAR didn't go back that far when they were reviewing it. ( it did seem to be used very quickly tonight)
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Feb 6, 2019 1:15:18 GMT 1
Agree with most, thought it was Beckles at fault for wolves third. Don’t understand how waterfall could take the blame for it. Was screaming at beckles to just clear it! looked like he was towing a caravan compared to the wolves player .without pace in today’s game , your always going to struggle .
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 6, 2019 1:18:17 GMT 1
Or he’s just literally giving listeners his opinion, a strong one at times maybe to elicit debate, which is what The Verdict etc is all about. Power to sway opinion? Give me a break. Lots of people decided Waterfall wasn’t up to it with their own eyes. He’s been part of the s**t for weeks. I personally think Laurent is a waste of space in the role he generally plays in league game and if I was summariser would say so, much to the disgust of many with a different opinion I’m sure. But would you say either Waterfall or Laurent played poorly tonight? That's the point. It's not about not having an opinion, it's about making it a vendetta. Of course Waterfall has struggled in a defence that's struggling. Haven't they all struggled in different ways? But he wasn't the problem tonight.
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Post by greeny on Feb 6, 2019 1:20:18 GMT 1
Agree with most, thought it was Beckles at fault for wolves third. Don’t understand how waterfall could take the blame for it. Was screaming at beckles to just clear it! Beckles at fault first. Nobody is doubting that but doesn’t mean Waterfall can’t be at fault. Came rushing out of position only to be beaten too easily. Yeah, against a good player but not the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 1:26:26 GMT 1
Waterfall played well tonight, won his headers and did the job a defender should do. Beckles at fault for the 3rd, should have just belted it into the stand.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 6, 2019 1:39:15 GMT 1
I asked for a steak and ale pie tonight and got a balti. I blame Waterfall.
Back three for me is Williams, Waterfall and Beckles.
Waterfall is slow, but if he has quicker players either side of him, he's sound as a pound.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 1:40:37 GMT 1
I wasn't there this evening but looking at the highlights.
And the Caveat here is remember Town were playing against Premier League quality with a host of internationals.
0-1 Wolves - The cross should be cut out and one of the back three should get there before the Wolves scorer, Reminds me of one of the Luton goals.
1-1 - Great header by Bolton and great cross, even worse defending though.
2-1 Shrews - The biggest error of the night by Ruddy, it didn't even look like it was going in.
2-2 - It looks on camera a hard take for Arnold and possibly a foul but its actually Haynes that loses touch with his man for the goal.
3-2 - Again looks a pull on Beckles - Waterfall does get turned inside out - but I suspect any other defender may have down, Looks like he's almost being brought down for a foul. Bolton goes to cover. Leaving the back post empty. Great finish.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 6, 2019 1:43:32 GMT 1
Interesting. Some of us up by the goal for their second felt our goalie was fouled and certainly Beckles was fouled for the third. Seems like this VAR is a waste of money.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 6, 2019 1:46:21 GMT 1
Re: Elliott’s summarising. I reckon he gets his topics of discussion from here, sees what is trending at the time, and then plays to his audience trying to endear himself to the populist point of view? Loves the sound of his own voice too! Why say one word when 50 will do?! Voices, on the radio, who’d have thought it?
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Post by venceremos on Feb 6, 2019 1:55:31 GMT 1
A summariser on the radio being a scapegoat is a new one. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s opinion..... jheeeeeez. Thought Waterfall was fine tonight, often is, but has a mistake in him. Does more than Sadler this season, though. Arnold lacks basics a lot of the time and probably lucky to be a League One footballer. Elliot is the one doing the scapegoating. Clearly without any basis of experience or understanding of football. He's got such power to sway opinion and he uses it to stir up negative opinion to generate interest in his own show. It's self-serving and unfair. This is nuts. Elliott has an agenda now? He’s there to give opinions. He gives his opinions to start a debate. That’s all. He’s not trying to ruin careers or exercise power - it’s only local radio! Nobody claims he’s an expert and nobody has to agree. Much like b&a. If he thought Waterfall didn’t play well tonight, I disagree, but so what? We could talk about it on the radio....
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Post by horse01 on Feb 6, 2019 2:02:50 GMT 1
Re: Elliott’s summarising. I reckon he gets his topics of discussion from here, sees what is trending at the time, and then plays to his audience trying to endear himself to the populist point of view? Loves the sound of his own voice too! Why say one word when 50 will do?! Voices, on the radio, who’d have thought it? Haha. You’re a funny guy.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 6, 2019 2:03:58 GMT 1
Agree with most, thought it was Beckles at fault for wolves third. Don’t understand how waterfall could take the blame for it. Was screaming at beckles to just clear it! looked like he was towing a caravan compared to the wolves player .without pace in today’s game , your always going to struggle . In that case we’d best ditch Haynes while we’re at it. Not only was he left for dead every time by Traore, he kept showing him outside, so he could ..... leave him for dead again. I thought we defended well tonight - against better, quicker thinking and faster players than we face in League 1. Of course they exposed our weaknesses at times but it was much better than our defending in recent league games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 2:09:32 GMT 1
More than anything I just hope town ditch the diamond and go 4-5-1 (4-3-3) for the future.
Whalley is getting back to full fitness and Gilliead appeared to play well. I hope those two start. Lots of competition for the back five. But I hope the midfield goes something like this.
Grant Whalley Norburn Docherty Gillead.
It seems like Norburn played well with the captains armband. Reason to bench Sadler perhaps.
Oddly enough I think Sears and Haynes have pushed themselves up the pecking order, so maybe Golbourne, Sadler, Bolton, Beckles and Waterfall should feel worried of not starting. Who'd have thought that.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 6, 2019 8:07:36 GMT 1
This is nuts.  Elliott has an agenda now?  He’s there to give opinions.  He gives his opinions to start a debate.  That’s all.  He’s not trying to ruin careers or exercise power - it’s only local radio!  Nobody claims he’s an expert and nobody has to agree.  Much like b&a. If he thought Waterfall didn’t play well tonight, I disagree, but so what?  We could talk about it on the radio.... When I go into work on a Monday morning the opinion of everyone else is based on what they've heard. You wouldn't talk about it on the radio because you won't have heard it to counter it because you were at the game. I do take the point about being paid for opinions. I just preferred it when it someone who understood football a bit more.
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Post by salop81 on Feb 6, 2019 9:34:27 GMT 1
I would drop big Steve and use Waterfall as a big No 9 only...absolute crazy I know but it jus might work, he’s a massive goal threat in the opposition box and despite a good game tonight is a calamity in ours more often than not, he lacks pace, isn’t great with the ball at his feet but it might be worth a try...Sadler, Beckles & Williams would be my preferred 3 at the back... Bolton is fine at RB and RH is a school boy learning on the job and despite recent improvement is no where near good enough for L1... Buckle up my fellow Shropshire Monners...it’s gonna be a bumpy ride - can we make 50 points...we’ll have to wait and see but it’s going to be ****in tough...lose Sat at BR and we really are up against it...
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Post by blueboy62 on Feb 6, 2019 11:16:42 GMT 1
I would drop big Steve and use Waterfall as a big No 9 only...absolute crazy I know but it jus might work, he’s a massive goal threat in the opposition box and despite a good game tonight is a calamity in ours more often than not, he lacks pace, isn’t great with the ball at his feet but it might be worth a try...Sadler, Beckles & Williams would be my preferred 3 at the back... Bolton is fine at RB and RH is a school boy learning on the job and despite recent improvement is no where near good enough for L1... Buckle up my fellow Shropshire Monners...it’s gonna be a bumpy ride - can we make 50 points...we’ll have to wait and see but it’s going to be ****in tough...lose Sat at BR and we really are up against it... Waterfall is only dangerous up front at set pieces. He doesn't have the pace, movement or skills to lead the line.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 6, 2019 11:18:58 GMT 1
This is nuts. Elliott has an agenda now? He’s there to give opinions. He gives his opinions to start a debate. That’s all. He’s not trying to ruin careers or exercise power - it’s only local radio! Nobody claims he’s an expert and nobody has to agree. Much like b&a. If he thought Waterfall didn’t play well tonight, I disagree, but so what? We could talk about it on the radio.... When I go into work on a Monday morning the opinion of everyone else is based on what they've heard. You wouldn't talk about it on the radio because you won't have heard it to counter it because you were at the game. I do take the point about being paid for opinions. I just preferred it when it someone who understood football a bit more. Well, we can give our opinions on the radio because they have an hour after the Saturday game just for that. He’s been critical of our defending recently - who hasn’t? Maybe he’s singled out Waterfall too often - so have a lot of people (and I disagree with that). He’s just doing his job and I much prefer his approach rather than a bland, no opinions alternative.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 6, 2019 11:48:06 GMT 1
the first and last goals v wolves were pretty much down to a quality premier side showing a poor league 1 side how to play football and it was likely to happen during the game
I thought we battled well all game against a side who beat liverpool in the last round and even Man City couldn't get a win there, last game they made West Ham look silly, we should be proud of the effort we put in over the 2 games
but both 2nd goals last night were down to both keepers having a mare, certainly the one Arnold conceded was due to him being weak, slow and simply not good enough
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