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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 20:05:12 GMT 1
I agree with the majority of this thread. - At least a thrashing at home can be used to change the XI now surely.
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Post by horse01 on Feb 2, 2019 20:06:28 GMT 1
It was a step back with Askey but what is happening now is something else. Would Askey ever had got it right with more time, Who knows but I'm not sure Ricketts should be given the benefit. The problems with Askey went deeper than just on field issues.
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Post by horse01 on Feb 2, 2019 20:10:20 GMT 1
Hurst would have to swallow his pride to come back here, and in doing so, basically admit he was wrong and a failure.
So we should be big enough to swallow our pride as well, if it is for the good of the club.
I honestly can’t believe that people would seriously rather see us relegated??
No one person is bigger than this club, and that would include those in positions of power/decision makers.
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Post by andycapp on Feb 2, 2019 20:18:33 GMT 1
......firstly of this ****ing diamond formation for a start. We are ripped apart time after time in wide areas. How can they not see it from the sidelines?? We play 4 centre mids, then we ****ing hit it long from the back and bypass all 4 of them. .......secondly of Arnold as first choice keeper. If you needed proof, today was it. Rooted to his line all game. Even then he gets done by a cross. The save from Hylton’s header was almost in slow motion - he went down in instalments. .....thirdly of either Sadler or Waterfall or both?? Beckles And Williams should be first choice now. .....fourthly of Norburn in midfield. Someone please tell me exactly what he has offered us? I don’t give a monkeys chuff if he is our record signing, he offers very little. .....fifthly- if none of that works, then it has to be Ricketts. .....sixthly- fingers will start pointing upstairs?! (Already have by some) The only thing I would change is to put the 5th point at the top of the list. If I remember rightly Ricketts inherited a 7 or 8 point cushion above the relegation zone and yet tonight we find ourselves 2nd from bottom. We are conceding some awful goals and appear clueless at how to create chances. We really are a strikers graveyard, merely punting long balls for them to chase when the defenders have all the advantages. Ricketts is useless and doesn’t appear to have any idea of how to changes things. We are going down of that I have little doubt and the sad thing is, that a lot of the players seem already resigned to it.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 2, 2019 20:38:15 GMT 1
The narrowness of this Ricketts/Hurst debate is as dismal as our team. Why does Hurst have to be the alternative? There are other managers available if it comes to that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 20:44:08 GMT 1
The narrowness of this Ricketts/Hurst debate is as dismal as our team. Why does Hurst have to be the alternative? There are other managers available if it comes to that. True but is there anyone else available. Get Hurst back on a three year deal.
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Post by criftins on Feb 2, 2019 20:44:33 GMT 1
I’d still rather get relegated with Ricketts than finish mid-table with Hurst. Unbelievable comment, everyone makes mistakes and everyone should have a second chance apart from the those committing the most serious crimes, which Hurst didn’t. The time has come for the chairman to decide Caldwell or Hurst, easy decision for me and if Ricketts continues we will go down no doubt.
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Post by gtismygod on Feb 2, 2019 20:46:53 GMT 1
I’d still rather get relegated with Ricketts than finish mid-table with Hurst. Unbelievable comment, everyone makes mistakes and everyone should have a second chance apart from the those committing the most serious crimes, which Hurst didn’t. The time has come for the chairman to decide Caldwell or Hurst, easy decision for me and if Ricketts continues we will go down no doubt. I trust that if Hurst admits he made a mistake then he will (hypothetically) be issuing a public apology to the supporters? And for the record, if it does come to that, then it’s Caldwell every time for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 20:49:03 GMT 1
The narrowness of this Ricketts/Hurst debate is as dismal as our team. Why does Hurst have to be the alternative? There are other managers available if it comes to that. While Hurst is still available I think the idea of his return is appealing. We know that he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear after how he rescued us in 16/17 and last season of course was extraordinary. Having said that, as much as I would love to see him and Doig back in charge to sort out this sh!t storm I honestly don't think it will happen anyway. I would advocate Ricketts removal and Roland/Brian convince Coyne and Ramsey to care take to the season end. IMO we are now at Ratcliffe code red situation and relegation beckons under SR .
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Post by tvor on Feb 2, 2019 20:49:20 GMT 1
This continual Hurst debate, now across several threads, is getting very tiresome. Are we going to get this from now until the end of the season.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 2, 2019 20:50:20 GMT 1
The narrowness of this Ricketts/Hurst debate is as dismal as our team. Why does Hurst have to be the alternative? There are other managers available if it comes to that. True but is there anyone else available. Get Hurst back on a three year deal. If the job becomes free, there’ll be plenty of applicants - and enough good ones amongst them to sidestep the unnecessarily divisive Hurst question.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Feb 2, 2019 20:51:11 GMT 1
We have appointed two consecutive managers that have have had no league managerial experience between them and offered them both three year contracts to boot.
It’s a false economy to shop in Poundland and then offer contracts in this manner. The finger has to pointed firmly in the direction of Wycherley and Caldwell.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 2, 2019 20:52:13 GMT 1
This continual Hurst debate, now across several threads, is getting very tiresome. Are we going to get this from now until the end of the season. Until the end of time. ”If Hurst had come back, what do you think would have happened......”
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Feb 2, 2019 20:53:54 GMT 1
We need to look at this as an emergency . What would a premier league club in this position do - go and get an allardyce or pulis if they didnt have a club . IN this case hurst is the allardyce or pulis
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Post by venceremos on Feb 2, 2019 20:54:11 GMT 1
The narrowness of this Ricketts/Hurst debate is as dismal as our team. Why does Hurst have to be the alternative? There are other managers available if it comes to that. While Hurst is still available I think the idea of his return is appealing. We know that he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear after how he rescued us in 16/17 and last season of course was extraordinary. Having said that, as much as I would love to see him and Doig back in charge to sort out this sh!t storm I honestly don't think it will happen anyway. I would advocate Ricketts removal and Roland/Brian convince Coyne and Ramsey to care take to the season end. IMO we are now at Ratcliffe code red situation and relegation beckons under SR . Appealing to some, appalling to others. I’m not as bothered as some but I’d rather look elsewhere.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Feb 2, 2019 20:57:02 GMT 1
True but is there anyone else available. Get Hurst back on a three year deal. If the job becomes free, there’ll be plenty of applicants - and enough good ones amongst them to sidestep the unnecessarily divisive Hurst question. You would have thought there were enough quality applicants when Askey was sacked, but we seem to have sidestepped those.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 20:58:41 GMT 1
While Hurst is still available I think the idea of his return is appealing. We know that he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear after how he rescued us in 16/17 and last season of course was extraordinary. Having said that, as much as I would love to see him and Doig back in charge to sort out this sh!t storm I honestly don't think it will happen anyway. I would advocate Ricketts removal and Roland/Brian convince Coyne and Ramsey to care take to the season end. IMO we are now at Ratcliffe code red situation and relegation beckons under SR . Appealing to some, appalling to others. I’m not as bothered as some but I’d rather look elsewhere. Fair do's but I think either Hurst or Danny Coyne/Eric Ramsey is the best chance we've got only from the point of view that both combinations are familiar with the club and most of the players and can hit the ground running to try and save us with just 16 games to go.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Feb 2, 2019 21:04:53 GMT 1
Paul Hurst returns to this club, my season ticket will be dropped back through the letterbox at the ground. I believe many will be returning their tickets anyway if performances do not improve.
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Post by Liam on Feb 2, 2019 21:06:15 GMT 1
If we do sack a second manager this season then I suspect the quality of applicants won't be great, as it'll make us look like a basket case...
... that being said (and I can't believe I'm typing this), unless significant improvement is seen next Saturday then it's time to punt our second manager of the season whilst there's still time. Results and performances literally couldn't have been much worse since Ricketts over. His Cup exploits, ironically, may have made his departure more likely by covering his potential pay-off.
Going back to my original point though, if we do give him the boot then realistically we'll have to promote someone internally. It's the only thing which is financially justifiable and no up-and-coming manager would want to come here after we'd sacked two (on paper) similar appointees in six months. So, if he goes it's probably some combination of Coyne, Ramsey, Sadler, Edwards, etc.
I'm prepared to give him a couple more chances, but the latter option is looking more appealing with each passing game. At least it'd be different, and more of the same will certainly send us down.
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Post by block17nick on Feb 2, 2019 21:26:41 GMT 1
I really think we are stuck with Ricketts till the end of the season. I hope he can turn it around, he has brought plenty of players in and got rid of as many. I think he has amassed 7 points from 10 league games, which is rock bottom of the league form, let alone relegation. The next 5 league games are Bristol R (A), Burton (H), Peterborough (A), Doncaster (H) and Wimbledon (H). If we don’t get at least 7 points from these then he will have to go. I left 5 minutes early today, which is the first time I have ever done this.
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Post by petshrew on Feb 2, 2019 21:28:03 GMT 1
Today we played a good Luton side on a good run, it was always going to be tough and a likely loss. People are calling for heads based on this result? Last night I was reading posts which were in the main positive. Suddenly, within 24hours we're all doomed and people are calling for Hurst. Chees talk about fickle! People want the man back who totally shafted us, who told players in a Wembley final that they were going with him, he cost us 7mil and you want home back it beggars belief. At least give SR the chance to meld in the new players, two or three games at least.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 2, 2019 21:42:30 GMT 1
We've pretty much sleepwalked our way into real trouble. When Askey couldn't win we told ourself we had the players but not the tactics, then Coyne came in and we all patted ourselves on the back as it clearly was that we had the players, but this is the strangest case of deja vu I've ever seen. It might as well be October again. Poor players in key positions, endless chopping and changing, no idea of best formation or tactics, being turned over far too easily by teams not even out of 2nd gear. At least under Askey we were keeping goals out but now we have no spine, no defence to speak of, no creativity and we're pretty much starting again with trying to embed this new manager's favourite players.
We have 5-6 more games for me to see how this all beds in, but if we've not turned a corner by then we need Coyne back to do a job otherwise we'll be going perhaps to Harrogate next season.
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Post by block18shrew on Feb 2, 2019 21:50:48 GMT 1
I hear Darrell Clarke is available.
With the right backing he could do a hell of a job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:02:50 GMT 1
Today we played a good Luton side on a good run, it was always going to be tough and a likely loss. It's more the manner of the defeat. We basically rolled over and they strolled to victory.
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Post by victorthekasule on Feb 2, 2019 22:03:15 GMT 1
Paul Hurst returns to this club, my season ticket will be dropped back through the letterbox at the ground. if he doesent come back .. there will be many more season tickets than yours going through the letter box as we tumble out of league 1 in freefall fashion ... and would imagine half the number of this seasons seasons tickets will be sold when we are in league 2 next season ... hope roland has kept some money back for next year .... gate receipts will be in massive decline .... Hurst back now !!!!!
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Post by East Sussex Shrew on Feb 2, 2019 22:03:37 GMT 1
The last posting I made was back in December where I stated we were in big trouble then. The reason I said this was not that we had lost the day before but because I do not think that Mr Ricketts has got the experience to cope with League one. He needs a experienced right hand man which he had at Wrexham, so I dont understand why A his no2 did not come with him or B why the chairman appointed Ricketts by him self. Until new investment is made at the club we will always yoyo from div1 to div2 and if we are not careful will end up like Chesterfield in the non league. When Askey was sacked I suggested that a Mick McCarthy type manager was required, some one with experience to guide the younger players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:05:53 GMT 1
I hear Darrell Clarke is available. With the right backing he could do a hell of a job. What, like he did at Bristol Rovers in league 1, with a bigger budget than ours?!
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Post by tvor on Feb 2, 2019 22:10:41 GMT 1
Today we played a good Luton side on a good run, it was always going to be tough and a likely loss. It's more the manner of the defeat. We basically rolled over and they strolled to victory. They weren't a good Luton side today, but they didn't need to be, Mick Harford admitted in his post match interview that they didn't play well today.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 2, 2019 22:30:38 GMT 1
I would like to see Graham Turner come in to assist SR until the end of the season and then review the situation. Its too early for another sacking but on the other hand it would be suicide to just do nothing.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Feb 2, 2019 22:32:33 GMT 1
It's more the manner of the defeat. We basically rolled over and they strolled to victory. They weren't a good Luton side today, but they didn't need to be, Mick Harford admitted in his post match interview that they didn't play well today. Correct. I thought they were one of the poorest sides we’ve played this season and can’t believe they are top. Still, they beat us without trying.
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