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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 22:32:08 GMT 1
Askey replaced Toto with someone who was more in the Sadler role in Waterfall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 22:52:18 GMT 1
The problem is that at the moment we don't know whether or not Omar Beckles is good enough to be our first choice CB. Askey, Coyne/Ramsey and now Ricketts don't seem to be convinced that he's ready.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 13, 2019 23:14:16 GMT 1
Askey replaced Toto with someone who was more in the Sadler role in Waterfall. I suppose we can blame that s**thouse Hurst for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 22:35:33 GMT 1
For the negative talk of Paul Hurst - he was never out mastered on the football pitch like Askey and Ricketts have been so.
I think I'd rather have a Tactical Mastermind even if he is a snake.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 15, 2019 0:14:42 GMT 1
For the negative talk of Paul Hurst - he was never out mastered on the football pitch like Askey and Ricketts have been so. I think I'd rather have a Tactical Mastermind even if he is a snake.
Personally, I never want that s**thouse anywhere near our club again. I'd see us in the National League North fust. If any football club considers employing the reptile, the chairman should keep his back to the wall at all times when dealing with him. My only hope is that Ipswich and Rotherham get relegated.
I've got a bottle of sham pain just waiting for that happy day.
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Post by Liam on Feb 2, 2019 18:04:17 GMT 1
Seriously, this is getting beyond a joke now.
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Feb 2, 2019 18:15:47 GMT 1
For the negative talk of Paul Hurst - he was never out mastered on the football pitch like Askey and Ricketts have been so. I think I'd rather have a Tactical Mastermind even if he is a snake.
Personally, I never want that s**thouse anywhere near our club again. I'd see us in the National League North fust. If any football club considers employing the reptile, the chairman should keep his back to the wall at all times when dealing with him. My only hope is that Ipswich and Rotherham get relegated.
I've got a bottle of sham pain just waiting for that happy day.
Surely no one man is bigger than the club, if he came in and helped give us a philosophy and steadied the ship, it shouldn't matter about his history.
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Post by tvor on Feb 2, 2019 18:59:54 GMT 1
We all know there were issues with the Waterfall/Sadler partnership prior to Ricketts coming in, a lack of pace being the main one, but they were doing okay. What the hell has Ricketts been doing with them since he came in?
Under Askey we conceded 19 goals in 17 games, only once conceding more than 2 in a game. Under Coyne/Ramsey we conceded 5 goals in 3 games. Under Ricketts we have conceded 17 goals in 10 games, including 4 in a game once and 3 in a game twice.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 2, 2019 19:44:29 GMT 1
Personally, I never want that s**thouse anywhere near our club again. I'd see us in the National League North fust. If any football club considers employing the reptile, the chairman should keep his back to the wall at all times when dealing with him. My only hope is that Ipswich and Rotherham get relegated.
I've got a bottle of sham pain just waiting for that happy day.
Surely no one man is bigger than the club, if he came in and helped give us a philosophy and steadied the ship, it shouldn't matter about his history.
It matters to me. We're in this mess now because he dropped us in it by denying he was going to Ipswich. If he'd told us the truth we could have been better prepared for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:46:57 GMT 1
Players like Mat Sadler, Stefan Payne and even today's goalscorer James Collins were all welcomed back for a second time.
Graham Turner came back.
Why can't Paul Hurst?
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Post by tvor on Feb 2, 2019 20:01:02 GMT 1
That's not a good comparison, you have to look at the circumstances why they left. As numerous people have continually tried to explain since last summer, it's not that he left it's how he went about it.
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Feb 2, 2019 23:28:36 GMT 1
Surely no one man is bigger than the club, if he came in and helped give us a philosophy and steadied the ship, it shouldn't matter about his history.
It matters to me. We're in this mess now because he dropped us in it by denying he was going to Ipswich. If he'd told us the truth we could have been better prepared for it.
That is fair enough and I agree that is the root cause of all this, but personally I would give him a shot at redemption, but I guess we have to agree to disagree on that last part.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 3, 2019 0:32:37 GMT 1
It matters to me. We're in this mess now because he dropped us in it by denying he was going to Ipswich. If he'd told us the truth we could have been better prepared for it.
That is fair enough and I agree that is the root cause of all this, but personally I would give him a shot at redemption, but I guess we have to agree to disagree on that last part.
I'm a frayed we do, owd lad. Hurst managed to give me the lowest feeling ever as a Town fan, and that takes some doing.
I wouldn't trust him to take my dog for a walk. He would probably send his agent to press the door bell and say Hurst was suddenly taken away on business, and leave a snake there.
Mind you, I'd soon track him down and get the dog back by following the slimy trail.
Obviously others agree, hence his "Gizz us a job", advert hasn't worked.
Also, his January signings....where are they now? He got lucky, but his luck ran out.
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Post by Dale on Feb 3, 2019 8:59:31 GMT 1
This latest debacle has to be the end of the Waterfall-Sadler partnership.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 3, 2019 10:45:37 GMT 1
Hopeful that Williams will be the answer
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Post by markievw on Feb 3, 2019 11:47:38 GMT 1
This partnership was never going to work. The player's are too similar. You need someone with pace (Nsiala) to partner sadler or waterfall. Will be interesting to see how this new lad from Man utd gets on
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 3, 2019 12:08:26 GMT 1
That is fair enough and I agree that is the root cause of all this, but personally I would give him a shot at redemption, but I guess we have to agree to disagree on that last part.
I'm a frayed we do, owd lad. Hurst managed to give me the lowest feeling ever as a Town fan, and that takes some doing.
I wouldn't trust him to take my dog for a walk. He would probably send his agent to press the door bell and say Hurst was suddenly taken away on business, and leave a snake there.
Mind you, I'd soon track him down and get the dog back by following the slimy trail.
Obviously others agree, hence his "Gizz us a job", advert hasn't worked.
Also, his January signings....where are they now? He got lucky, but his luck ran out.
I believe last season was a fluke. We got lucky first game with a last minute goal and everything just clicked from there. I think it was only Bristol rovers at home where we comfortably beat the opposition. It was a great season but I think it was a fluke rather than a Hurst masterclass. Which is backed up by the fact he went to ipswich and failed miserably. Add to that the majority of last seasons players have not repeated their heroics this season.
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Post by horse01 on Feb 3, 2019 12:13:26 GMT 1
[/quote] I believe last season was a fluke.[/quote]
A fluke that lasted 46 games??
Good logic that?!
Or perhaps he assembled a squad that complimented each other?
That worked in partnerships all over the pitch?
A top quality goalkeeper- that he had had before and knew his potential.
Centre backs that had contrasting qualities- one with pace and strength, one who with an ability to read the game and a calmness.
Full backs and wingers on either side that attacked and defended in tandem- working back together to defend, and then overlapping when at the other end.
Two centre mids that covered every blade of grass between them- breaking up the opposition’s play and feeding it to one of our two central attacking options. Whilst one was winning the ball back, the other would be protecting the back four.
Then there’s the attacking two- linking the play, holding up the play and feeding the runners off them to get in on goal.
But more importantly than that. They were a team. Together. It was evident that everyone was pulling in the same direction, trying to achieve the same end goal.
To call that a fluke is just pathetic.
You may not like how Hurst left, none of us do. But to deny that last season was due to anything other than luck, is disrespectful to all of those players that almost achieved the unthinkable.
They worked as a squad last year. This season, they may not be in squads that are as good as they were in last year. The only way to be able to judge their achievements, would have been if they had stayed together.
I honestly don’t know how you can put it down to a fluke??
Baffling!!
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Post by buryshrew on Feb 3, 2019 12:23:26 GMT 1
I'm a frayed we do, owd lad. Hurst managed to give me the lowest feeling ever as a Town fan, and that takes some doing.
I wouldn't trust him to take my dog for a walk. He would probably send his agent to press the door bell and say Hurst was suddenly taken away on business, and leave a snake there.
Mind you, I'd soon track him down and get the dog back by following the slimy trail.
Obviously others agree, hence his "Gizz us a job", advert hasn't worked.
Also, his January signings....where are they now? He got lucky, but his luck ran out.
I believe last season was a fluke. We got lucky first game with a last minute goal and everything just clicked from there. I think it was only Bristol rovers at home where we comfortably beat the opposition. It was a great season but I think it was a fluke rather than a Hurst masterclass. Which is backed up by the fact he went to ipswich and failed miserably. Add to that the majority of last seasons players have not repeated their heroics this season. Seriously, there is no such thing as a fluke that lasts an entire season. It was down to discipline, fitness, commitment and organisation. To suggest otherwise is to insult the entire squad, not just Hurst, and they deserve better.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 3, 2019 12:29:32 GMT 1
Fluke is the wrong word but it was a perfect storm in that everything fell into place at the right time. If it wasn’t for two of the best league one sides in recent years in Wigan and Blackburn we’d be getting smashed every week just the league higher, it would still leave us supporters feeling like s**t.
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 3, 2019 12:54:32 GMT 1
Fluke is the wrong word but it was a perfect storm in that everything fell into place at the right time. If it wasn’t for two of the best league one sides in recent years in Wigan and Blackburn we’d be getting smashed every week just the league higher, it would still leave us supporters feeling like s**t. Every promotion challenge is things falling into place at the right times. We had certain ingredients needed to win games, week in, week out. Namely organisation, a killer instinct & supreme fitness. We have none of those now, and that’s why we struggle - it ain’t quality, it’s momentum and the basics at this level. Hurst nailed it in that respect.
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Post by markievw on Feb 3, 2019 13:04:26 GMT 1
I'm a frayed we do, owd lad. Hurst managed to give me the lowest feeling ever as a Town fan, and that takes some doing.
I wouldn't trust him to take my dog for a walk. He would probably send his agent to press the door bell and say Hurst was suddenly taken away on business, and leave a snake there.
Mind you, I'd soon track him down and get the dog back by following the slimy trail.
Obviously others agree, hence his "Gizz us a job", advert hasn't worked.
Also, his January signings....where are they now? He got lucky, but his luck ran out.
I believe last season was a fluke. We got lucky first game with a last minute goal and everything just clicked from there. I think it was only Bristol rovers at home where we comfortably beat the opposition. It was a great season but I think it was a fluke rather than a Hurst masterclass. Which is backed up by the fact he went to ipswich and failed miserably. Add to that the majority of last seasons players have not repeated their heroics this season. You had too much to drink and only midday as I post this. Last season team had some good quality and worked as a team. Everyone understood exactly what their role was. This season we have some quality players who haven't got a clue for most of the time. Down to management in my opinion
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Post by salop81 on Feb 3, 2019 13:27:54 GMT 1
In response to the subject title...they needed changing months ago...we can’t defend under SR which isn’t good considering he was a defender...his “tweaking” things as we were going well when he over is clearly not happening / working as the players have gone from playing with freedom and a smile on theirs faces to this disorganised s**t...! SR’s record is s**te and with him in charge we are heading to L2 quickly...! The blame lies at RW & BC’s door I’m afraid, they’ve made some really poor decisions with their recruitment and we are paying for it...people who say this squad of players shouldn’t be relegated are deluded, we have 4 or 5 decent players who are good enough for L1 and the rest try hard but are simply not good enough...!! RW & BC hang your heads in shame...from a top 3 club last season to this mess in less than 12 months is absolutely astonishing mis-management...GO NOW...!!!
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2019 15:33:15 GMT 1
Hopefully someone can come in and support Waterfall as he's been carrying Sadler for months. I've loved Sadlers time at the club, fantastic servant but he isn't League One standard this year, he's lost a yard.
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Post by lenny on Feb 3, 2019 16:03:22 GMT 1
Hopefully someone can come in and support Waterfall as he's been carrying Sadler for months. I've loved Sadlers time at the club, fantastic servant but he isn't League One standard this year, he's lost a yard. I do think that of the two, Waterfall is more likely to be a useful part of a defence with the right set up and team mates. He’s a bit like Darren Jones in that he’s probably not good enough at this level but could do a job for a time with the attributes that he has if paired with the right player. Sads has been a superb servant but I think has got to the stage now where he simply can’t be relied upon as a first choice.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2019 16:20:22 GMT 1
Hopefully someone can come in and support Waterfall as he's been carrying Sadler for months. I've loved Sadlers time at the club, fantastic servant but he isn't League One standard this year, he's lost a yard. I do think that of the two, Waterfall is more likely to be a useful part of a defence with the right set up and team mates. He’s a bit like Darren Jones in that he’s probably not good enough at this level but could do a job for a time with the attributes that he has if paired with the right player. Sads has been a superb servant but I think has got to the stage now where he simply can’t be relied upon as a first choice. Without Waterfalls goals we'd probably be bottom. Although I guess some would argue without his "mistakes" we wouldn't be.
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Post by markievw on Feb 3, 2019 16:59:44 GMT 1
I do think that of the two, Waterfall is more likely to be a useful part of a defence with the right set up and team mates. He’s a bit like Darren Jones in that he’s probably not good enough at this level but could do a job for a time with the attributes that he has if paired with the right player. Sads has been a superb servant but I think has got to the stage now where he simply can’t be relied upon as a first choice. Without Waterfalls goals we'd probably be bottom. Although I guess some would argue without his "mistakes" we wouldn't be. Correct, always thought defenders job was to defend. Waterfall has way too many mistakes in defence to outweigh the few goals he has scored
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Post by dooble78 on Feb 3, 2019 18:50:28 GMT 1
Mitchell in goal Sadler and waterfall dropped beckles and Williams in Sears at right back and goldbourne at left back a full change needed at the back what have we got to lose. 3 in midfield docherty Edwards whalley 3 up front Payne okenbihrie Campbell,SIMPLE'S
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 3, 2019 21:35:04 GMT 1
I think prior to the transfer window with very little being offered up front by Angol and Holloway it may have been worth trying out Waterfall as an old fashioned Billy Sharpe type centre forward. He isn't a League One defender but he is good in the air and pretty strong. He doesn't have pace but that was also the case with Alf Wood when he converted. Having said that if we get relegated I think he will hold his own in the lower league.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 4, 2019 22:49:39 GMT 1
I think prior to the transfer window with very little being offered up front by Angol and Holloway it may have been worth trying out Waterfall as an old fashioned Billy Sharpe type centre forward. He isn't a League One defender but he is good in the air and pretty strong. He doesn't have pace but that was also the case with Alf Wood when he converted. Having said that if we get relegated I think he will hold his own in the lower league. And I'd say the reverse could apply to Holloway. Good in the air, wins a fair number of headers, and has played in defence earlier in his career.
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