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Post by thesensationaljt on May 26, 2019 21:11:41 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 26, 2019 21:14:08 GMT 1
The Tories have gained 36,000 new paid-up members.
The party now has in excess of 160,000 members, more than a third of supporters since March 2018.
The typical member of the Conservative party is older, richer and more likely to live in the south than the population as a whole, and most voted to leave the EU. Seven out of 10 are men and more than half are over 60.
Now I wonder which type of Candidate most of these members will vote for?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 21:24:00 GMT 1
Yes, and they have been suspended. To be frank, as a piece of 'whataboutary', that is pretty lame. Here what was said. "We would like to reiterate for everyone that there is no place in the Green Party for transphobia, and we are glad that the Party has been able to demonstrate its commitment to our policy – ‘The Green Party recognises that trans men are men, trans women are women, and that non-binary identities exist and are valid.’- through its actions. “We would like to thank everyone who has taken the time to report this issue, and encourage people to continue calling out instances of transphobia when they see them.” I would be interested in the Brexit Party's policy on Trans and LGBT issues. And, would you like to comment on the other points I made.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 26, 2019 21:55:16 GMT 1
Claire Fox is full of e. Last year she refused to apologise for suggesting that the Bosnian genocide was faked. She was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, and yet talks about democracy without a hint of irony. She's living proof that the extreme left and extreme right are the same side of the same coin. In more ways than one, seeing as she thinks people should be allowed to watch child porn and Jack Renshaw is a convicted paedophile. wait there isn't corbyn tainted consistently on this forum for supporting the ira with no evidence? oh but fox supported them but that's fine ....
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 26, 2019 21:59:13 GMT 1
Well we're about to find out.
By the way, have any of you ever considered supporting Shrewsbury?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:04:06 GMT 1
Claire Fox is full of e. Last year she refused to apologise for suggesting that the Bosnian genocide was faked. She was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, and yet talks about democracy without a hint of irony. She's living proof that the extreme left and extreme right are the same side of the same coin. In more ways than one, seeing as she thinks people should be allowed to watch child porn and Jack Renshaw is a convicted paedophile. wait there isn't corbyn tainted consistently on this forum for supporting the ira with no evidence? oh but fox supported them but that's fine .... Yeah, the very same Brexit Party (Tories and Labour) voters calling out Corbyn for that are willing to forgive her it seems.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 26, 2019 22:12:40 GMT 1
Well we're about to find out.
By the way, have any of you ever considered supporting Shrewsbury? yeh that's why i dont vote for a party that keeps making the town worse
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:12:59 GMT 1
Hmm. They have been suspended. No action taken against Claire Fox, though
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:14:35 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:22:07 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:37:13 GMT 1
Lovely to see Chuka and his turncoats polling behind UKIP
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 22:39:21 GMT 1
Lovely to see Chuka and his turncoats polling behind UKIP Don't care. As far as I'm aware no Greens defected.
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Post by percy on May 27, 2019 7:45:14 GMT 1
Shamefully I fear it is more leave than remain. Nationally it looks the other way around. Leave (Brexit + UKIP + Conservative) = 44.0 % Remain (LibDem + Green + SNP + Change + Plaid) = 40.4 % Labour give 54.5% to the second referendum option (or remain as that result would likely be). If you assume that the 24.2% share that UKIP lost went to Brexit it means that Farage did not mop up the 14.8% that the Tories lost - do some Tories have common sense ?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 7:56:49 GMT 1
Shamefully I fear it is more leave than remain. Nationally it looks the other way around. Leave (Brexit + UKIP + Conservative) = 44.0 % Remain (LibDem + Green + SNP + Change + Plaid) = 40.4 % Labour give 54.5% to the second referendum option (or remain as that result would likely be). If you assume that the 24.2% share that UKIP lost went to Brexit it means that Farage did not mop up the 14.8% that the Tories lost - do some Tories have common sense ? I guess it depends on how many Tories want a 'soft Brexit' compared to the 'hard Brexit' of the Farage Party and UKIP. There are plenty of people who want to leave with the best possible deal. They may swing back to remain given a choice between that and a kamikaze deal. So, personally I would not count the Tory vote in with the 'hard Brexit' parties. I reckon Farage will be pretty disappointed overall with the results. That extra 14.8% would have given a clear 'hard Brexit' picture, in what was a glorified opinion poll. Anyway, in the bigger picture, a good night for European Greens and a more left wing look to the EU Parliament. That will upset a few.
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Post by lenny on May 27, 2019 8:14:46 GMT 1
Farage will definitely be pretty disappointed. Well below polling and as highlighted above, not capturing anything like the UKIP+Conservative vote share they lost; and the results indicate more people back remaining than a hard Brexit. Will of the people my arse.
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Post by Drew on May 27, 2019 8:20:16 GMT 1
Farage will definitely be pretty disappointed. Well below polling and as highlighted above, not capturing anything like the UKIP+Conservative vote share they lost; and the results indicate more people back remaining than a hard Brexit. Will of the people my arse. Sure. A party formed only a few months ago toppig the polls in every region of England except London. I'm sure he will be gutted with that performance.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 27, 2019 8:21:27 GMT 1
love or hate farage in 6 weeks he has created a new party won31% of the vote and 28MEP seats. labour only managed third. but from a seat points of vew Brexit party 28 mep's liberals 10 meps and green part 7meps. all three made significant gains in % of the vote.the conservatives collapsing was no shock. but considering south wales is a labour stronghold , brexit party winning all the south wales seats is a shock , the labour party have ran the welsh assesmbly since it opened so to see that the brexit party had double the votes of labour was an upset.how much of this is labour voters who decided to stay at home in protest against corbyn? people will read what they wont to read into this; personally the liberal democrats and green part should be encouraged if they can carry that momentum into a general election things should be intresting.remainers may view this as an encoraging sign, if you think about how UKIP were unable to translate results in the european into seats in the general election , then will things be different for the brexit party.? you get a protest vote in council elections and this was a protest vote by people who voted to leave and feel let down by labour and the conservatives. what this means for a gereal election ? labour weakened by poor council reasults and european elections promise the SNP the family silver to get in power? it does not reflect well on labour that with things in such a mess they should be romping away to a landslide. as for the conservatives they could face the worst results in a general election for some time. the SNP will be doing cartwheels and will be pressing for another independance referendum.
only time will tell
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Post by lenny on May 27, 2019 8:25:10 GMT 1
Farage will definitely be pretty disappointed. Well below polling and as highlighted above, not capturing anything like the UKIP+Conservative vote share they lost; and the results indicate more people back remaining than a hard Brexit. Will of the people my arse. Sure. A party formed only a few months ago toppig the polls in every region of England except London. I'm sure he will be gutted with that performance. But he was always going to top the polls, that had been established when UKIP went full racist, Conservatives didn’t even campaign and the anti-Brexit parties didn’t unite. It’s not a travesty for him but that’s not what I said, is it? Still fallen short of expectations, although given his main personal goal is to break the Tories he’ll have enjoyed their showing.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 8:28:27 GMT 1
Farage will definitely be pretty disappointed. Well below polling and as highlighted above, not capturing anything like the UKIP+Conservative vote share they lost; and the results indicate more people back remaining than a hard Brexit. Will of the people my arse. Sure. A party formed only a few months ago toppig the polls in every region of England except London. I'm sure he will be gutted with that performance. It's basically a straight swap from UKIP to Brexit party though isn't it? The numbers show you that.
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Post by salop27 on May 27, 2019 8:59:31 GMT 1
50/50 split? Dream on!!! Parties who have stated they will leave the EU on about 57000 against committed remain parties on about 35000. Of course you can argue over who exactly wants what etc till the cows come home.
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Post by Valerioch on May 27, 2019 9:06:07 GMT 1
A map full of turquoise is a sight to behold
Great night for a party only 6 weeks old
An increase on vote share and seats on UKIP of 2014 too
Largest single party across the whole of Europe!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 9:18:07 GMT 1
Largest single party across the whole of Europe! Which is a bit like saying Salop winning the Shropshire Senior Cup is a successful season.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 27, 2019 9:34:20 GMT 1
Largest single party across the whole of Europe! Which is a bit like saying Salop winning the Shropshire Senior Cup is a successful season. Quite. What's the point in having the largest party when they probably won't turn up most of the time like their leader has been doing in his role there?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:53:22 GMT 1
Nigel Farage elected as an unelected eu bureaucrat.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:53:43 GMT 1
50/50 split? Dream on!!! Parties who have stated they will leave the EU on about 57000 against committed remain parties on about 35000. Of course you can argue over who exactly wants what etc till the cows come home. Brexit Party + UKIP 5,794,052. Out and Out Remain Parties 6,703,592. Percentage vote 34.9% as opposed to 40.4%. Who knows which way the Tory/Labour would split.
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Post by salop27 on May 27, 2019 11:05:27 GMT 1
50/50 split? Dream on!!! Parties who have stated they will leave the EU on about 57000 against committed remain parties on about 35000. Of course you can argue over who exactly wants what etc till the cows come home. Brexit Party + UKIP 5,794,052. Out and Out Remain Parties 6,703,592. Percentage vote 34.9% as opposed to 40.4%. Who knows which way the Tory/Labour would split. I was looking at the votes for Shropshire as a whole. I don't know what your numbers relate to. Currently both Tories and Labour are still both committed to leaving the EU so to ignore their votes to make remain seem more popular is fiddling the stats somewhat. Don't you agree?
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Post by venceremos on May 27, 2019 11:09:44 GMT 1
A map full of turquoise is a sight to behold Great night for a party only 6 weeks old An increase on vote share and seats on UKIP of 2014 too Largest single party across the whole of Europe! Brexit party did well but, I suspect, not as well as Farage was hoping when the polls indicated their share was getting towards 40%. The reality is they Ukip’s 2014 votes and part of the Tories’. They didn’t break through, just held the no deal ground. Remain parties, ignoring Tories and Labour, did much better than in 2014, and are on 40% to the brexiteers’ 35% which, as brexiteers tell us the less than 4% majority in 2016 was decisive, must be a crushing margin! The colour of the map is secondary because it wasn’t a general election. The sensible analysis is to compare brexit and remain’s vote and MEP shares. We should also keep in mind this was a sub-40% turnout, so 32% of that is ...... not anywhere near enough to claim the country wants a no deal brexit. These election results weren’t decisive but, as a remain voter who abandoned Labour for Green, I’m quite pleased with the outcome.
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Post by venceremos on May 27, 2019 11:11:28 GMT 1
Brexit Party + UKIP 5,794,052. Out and Out Remain Parties 6,703,592. Percentage vote 34.9% as opposed to 40.4%. Who knows which way the Tory/Labour would split. I was looking at the votes for Shropshire as a whole. I don't know what your numbers relate to. Currently both Tories and Labour are still both committed to leaving the EU so to ignore their votes to make remain seem more popular is fiddling the stats somewhat. Don't you agree? Haha, “I don’t know what your numbers relate to” ...... only the counted national votes, that’s all. Haha, stick with Shropshire, you did better there.
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Post by venceremos on May 27, 2019 11:14:52 GMT 1
Brexit Party + UKIP 5,794,052. Out and Out Remain Parties 6,703,592. Percentage vote 34.9% as opposed to 40.4%. Who knows which way the Tory/Labour would split. I was looking at the votes for Shropshire as a whole. I don't know what your numbers relate to. Currently both Tories and Labour are still both committed to leaving the EU so to ignore their votes to make remain seem more popular is fiddling the stats somewhat. Don't you agree? Labour’s policy is less important here than the fact that its voters were 2:1 in favour of remain in 2016 and fewer than 30% of its 2017 voters were leavers. The Tories were 40% remain in 2016 too and there are still plenty of remain leaning Tories out there, especially if it’s a choice between that and no deal.
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Post by lenny on May 27, 2019 11:20:48 GMT 1
Fairly clear that all sides are taking this exactly how they wanted to. Of most importance will be how (if) this makes the two main parties pivot.
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