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Post by neilsalop on Jan 8, 2019 22:07:09 GMT 1
Nice work Neil. You've posted a video cobbled together by the People's Vote, ie the bad losers vote. None of the clips actually say when they're from. I'm talking about what was said and voted for at the referendum and I seriously doubt any of those clips were from the referendum campaign? I have plenty of respect for voters on both side arguing there point but no respect for the "peoples vote" campaign. We had a people's vote in 2016, respect the result. Haven't got time tonight, but I'll sort out the original clips tomorrow for you.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 8, 2019 22:10:56 GMT 1
Without wishing to repeat the point too much its worth reading up on prefered or favoured nation rules in international trade. These are operated by all the main trading blocks and basically mean they can't give a third party nation (which the UK will become on 28th March) a better trade deal than the one that exists between that trading block and other countries. This brings with it both benefits and downsides, which are pretty well covered in this article www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/the-most-important-brexit-detail-youve-never-heard-ofAssuming the UK leaves without a deal we then revert to WTO trade rules in the short term, which bring with them a series of tarrifs - some beneficial to the uk, some less so, and we then need to negotiate new deals. Presumably one with the EU being the most important as they are our biggest trading block. The trouble is due to prefered nation rules the EU can't give the UK a better deal than they have with other trading blocks, or that exists with the EU single market. So its going to be impossible to get better deals than other countries and very difficult to get deals with the major trading blocks that are at least as good as we have through the EU. Part of my role in the day job is looking at the impact of brexit locally and trading on the above terms would be very damaging to a number of industries in the county including agriculture and the heath sector. I've look - and looked hard for good example from the leave MPs on how they would strike new trade deals, and what the timescales for them might be and what terms will be agreed. There really is a dearth of such reports - that's over 2 years on from the referendum. I'm sure it will get dismissed as project fear but I'm genuinely scared brexit done the wrong way is going to do significant damage to Shropshire and I scared for the future of our economy. We're already on back of 10 years of austerity and if we get brexit wrong the implications aren't worth thinking about Thanks for sharing that, interesting stuff. I think however, that we are pointing out that other countries will want to trade with the UK and will be open to trade agreements. The post above was kinda suggesting we would be overlooked because others would turn to and only to the EU. Which I very much doubt it going to be the case at all. No one is talking about 'better' deals, just deals. Well it does kind of make sense that deals will be harder to come by as well be a country with a smaller economy than the larger trading blocks such as the EU, asia and american markets. Over the last 10 years there has been a big move towards these much bigger trading blocks and any brexit risk assessment needs to take that in. We'll be a much smaller fish trading with some sharks There is no doubt we'll still trade with a whole host of nations, but even a small decline in GDP wipes out billions from the treasury and its ability to spend. As I said I've been reading all sorts of reports on the impact of brexit to the economy and even the best case situations seem to suggest a 3% decline in GDP. The Great Depression in the USA saw less of a decline and the impact of that was felt for years in the USA. Worst case situtions predict it could be much worse. Now if all that is project fear we should by now be seeing reports and studies showing a way of avoiding these situations and how brexit will work. I've worked with government departments for over 20 years and often supported the development of policies I don't personally agree with, but carry out as government departments have done their due dilligence on the work and tried to accurately risk manage the process. Is a massive worry for something as big as brexit those same rules aren't being followed and are replaced by glib statements and lack of clear policy. Perhaps positively Parliament does now seem to be taking more control of the process and starting to examine some of these risks and the only way to get a good brexit is to give them the time and space to do that. Its just a shame its taken them this long to get round to doing the basics
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 22:18:06 GMT 1
Thanks for sharing that, interesting stuff. I think however, that we are pointing out that other countries will want to trade with the UK and will be open to trade agreements. The post above was kinda suggesting we would be overlooked because others would turn to and only to the EU. Which I very much doubt it going to be the case at all. No one is talking about 'better' deals, just deals. There is no doubt we'll still trade with a whole host of nations... That's what I was thinking too. But wasn't quite sure the poster above thought that possible with the EU being a preferred partner. I'm sure they are but that doesn't mean we will be frozen out.
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Post by salopross on Jan 8, 2019 22:48:19 GMT 1
A majority voted to leave the EU. Leaving the EU, by default, is a WTO Brexit (‘No Deal’). So you’re saying 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs? A significant number of working-class Labour voters voted to leave the EU, especially in the North of England. They are, by no means, right-wing. 😔 No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way).
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 9, 2019 1:33:55 GMT 1
A majority voted to leave the EU. Leaving the EU, by default, is a WTO Brexit (‘No Deal’). So you’re saying 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs? A significant number of working-class Labour voters voted to leave the EU, especially in the North of England. They are, by no means, right-wing. 😔 No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601Nick Griffin was physically assaulted for years, bricks thrown at him, his property vandalised as well as countless other deplorable acts. Whilst I don't agree with his politics, nobody was shouting from the rooftops for criminal changes against the many, many culprits of these acts. Again Nigel Farage, somebody else who is continually hounded and abused left, right and centre for his beliefs. Nobody is shouting for arrests against these culprits. I don't agree she should suffer any harm at all, let me make that clear. What she should suffer is a backlash from her constituents who voted 57% leave, above the national average yet have her doing anything possible to stop Brexit in its tracks. She is treacherous.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 9, 2019 1:36:26 GMT 1
No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way). The amount of abuse so called "ring wing" politicians receive is a disgrace, nothing is ever done about it. It's quite clear it's one rule for one, and one rule for another.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 9, 2019 2:00:59 GMT 1
Also, regarding the property market - it has somewhat recovered in Tokyo and other big cities, but will NEVER recover to the levels of the early 90s bubble because it was a nonsensical aberration anyway. Another thing you may not know about the vagaries of the residential property market here in Japan is that negative equity is assured in almost every case, regardless of changes in the market, because houses are considered relatively non-durable goods that depreciate to effectively zero value in around 15 years, leaving only the value of the land itself. Fifteen years seems too short but there's a lot of sense in that approach. Surely that's where the real value lies, in the land itself, which is scarce and for which demand is ever-increasing? Some people in this country seem to think they add value to their home by virtue of their exquisite taste in décor and furnishings but, when it comes down to it, it's really all about the land. The fifteen years thing may be lengthening, depending on the quality of the house. It was mainly so short because the earthquake threat means Japanese houses need to be built to flex, and were therefore built of pretty lightweight and therefore not that durable materials (mostly wood). Modern building techniques use more durable materials with more advanced technologies that still allow flex and therefore shaking resistance. This means the intrinsic value of the housing stock should probably depreciate less, but societal preferences for new build and the feeling that a 20 year old house is old will be slow to adjust I suppose.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 9, 2019 2:11:51 GMT 1
As for those advocating deals with India, China, etc. how are we supposed to compete with 27 other countries in a trading bloc when it comes to securing a deal? Over 450 million people in the 27 are a far bigger pool than 65 million in the UK, so it would make far more sense for those countries to look for a deal with the EU than to look at us.
The thought that the Commonwealth is just going roll over and sign trade deals with us is just risable. We may share a common language with a few of them, but that's all there is. Negotiations might not need translators, but that will be about the only thing that is going to be easier. Those countries will only do deals if it's in THEIR interests and the EU is a far bigger market that we are.
I just need to pick you up on these points because it what you write you give the impression that countries around the world will have to make a decision about who to make a trade agreement with, that its a decision between the EU and the UK. Is that how you meant to write it? As I would think countries would be looking to come to some trade agreement with the EU and the UK wouldn't they? Why would it need to be one or the other? Is that how these things work? I mean for example there was a recent trade agreement announced between the EU and Japan and that was welcomed in the UK because it is hoped it will prove to be the template for a future agreement with the UK. And yes, of course the EU is a much bigger market but do you really think that a relatively wealthy country of 65 million is something that others around the world wouldn't wish to trade with? If not, why not? Unless you do think it is one or the other, the EU or the UK? And who here has said that anyone is going to be rolling over to sign trade agreements? Can you point that out as granted it's a long thread and I may have missed it. I don't think anyone would suggest that, I think it goes without saying that any trade agreement put in place would need to beneficial for both parties. I would have thought that's how these things tend to work, that is is beneficial to all involved, all parties will do what it in their best interests. Has anyone suggested otherwise? Is it the EU or the UK? Not both? Can you explain that to me. And why countries around the world wouldn't wish to trade with the UK? I mean no one is saying the UK is a bigger or better trade partner than the EU but I'm a bit puzzled as to why that would mean the UK would be frozen out and other countries around the globe wouldn't wish to sign trade agreements with it? Haven't the US expressed an interest? Australia? Canada? Sure they are more than happy to trade with both the EU and the UK. As I am sure many others are too or? Not sure it needs to be one or the other or? It's a question of market size, Stutty. A free or preferential trade deal with the EU is attractive to other large markets because both sides stand to gain access to a large market. So benefits are balanced. As a relatively small market, we have less to offer. Of course that doesn't mean large economic entities won't make trade deals with us, but I think it means it is a lower priority for them and they have a stronger bargaining position which could lead to things like us having to accept lower standards (such as chlorine washed chicken in the case of the US) in order to do a deal.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 7:27:59 GMT 1
I just need to pick you up on these points because it what you write you give the impression that countries around the world will have to make a decision about who to make a trade agreement with, that its a decision between the EU and the UK. Is that how you meant to write it? As I would think countries would be looking to come to some trade agreement with the EU and the UK wouldn't they? Why would it need to be one or the other? Is that how these things work? I mean for example there was a recent trade agreement announced between the EU and Japan and that was welcomed in the UK because it is hoped it will prove to be the template for a future agreement with the UK. And yes, of course the EU is a much bigger market but do you really think that a relatively wealthy country of 65 million is something that others around the world wouldn't wish to trade with? If not, why not? Unless you do think it is one or the other, the EU or the UK? And who here has said that anyone is going to be rolling over to sign trade agreements? Can you point that out as granted it's a long thread and I may have missed it. I don't think anyone would suggest that, I think it goes without saying that any trade agreement put in place would need to beneficial for both parties. I would have thought that's how these things tend to work, that is is beneficial to all involved, all parties will do what it in their best interests. Has anyone suggested otherwise? Is it the EU or the UK? Not both? Can you explain that to me. And why countries around the world wouldn't wish to trade with the UK? I mean no one is saying the UK is a bigger or better trade partner than the EU but I'm a bit puzzled as to why that would mean the UK would be frozen out and other countries around the globe wouldn't wish to sign trade agreements with it? Haven't the US expressed an interest? Australia? Canada? Sure they are more than happy to trade with both the EU and the UK. As I am sure many others are too or? Not sure it needs to be one or the other or? It's a question of market size, Stutty. A free or preferential trade deal with the EU is attractive to other large markets because both sides stand to gain access to a large market. So benefits are balanced. As a relatively small market, we have less to offer. Of course that doesn't mean large economic entities won't make trade deals with us, but I think it means it is a lower priority for them and they have a stronger bargaining position which could lead to things like us having to accept lower standards (such as chlorine washed chicken in the case of the US) in order to do a deal. Sure, I fully understand that. And it makes perfect sense. But the language used by some seems to suggest that we would become some pariah state left on the sidelines and completely frozen out at the expense of the EU. Suggesting that its the EU or the UK and of course everyone will chose the EU. I fully appreciate the the EU is a larger market and therefore carries more clout but the UK is a still sizable market (and one that is set to increase). I have absolutely no doubt that other nations would seeking a deal that would open the market to a relatively wealthy nation of 65 million. I questioned the above because that's not how it read to me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 8:23:06 GMT 1
Well I certainly hope they know what they are doing because if this does go tits up and we do drop out without a deal and nowt was done to prepare for it...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 8:46:44 GMT 1
Bigot, fascist, racist wasn't it? Wasn't that the insults thrown at Mogg whilst he was at that event in Bristol some time back? And I'll wager there will be people out there who will be outraged by the actions of those people outside Westminster and will be demanding something to be done to put a stop to it but were more than happy to dismiss and even support the actions of those who were shouting abuse at Bristol University. Just how the world works, this is where we are now... I guess this is the direct action that McDonnell was asking for, he must be well chuffed with what he is seeing... I want to be in a situation where no Tory MP, no Tory or MP, no Coalition minister can travel anywhere in the country or show their face anywhere in public without being challenged by direct action
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:52:57 GMT 1
No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601Nick Griffin was physically assaulted for years, bricks thrown at him, his property vandalised as well as countless other deplorable acts. Whilst I don't agree with his politics, nobody was shouting from the rooftops for criminal changes against the many, many culprits of these acts. Again Nigel Farage, somebody else who is continually hounded and abused left, right and centre for his beliefs. Nobody is shouting for arrests against these culprits. I don't agree she should suffer any harm at all, let me make that clear. What she should suffer is a backlash from her constituents who voted 57% leave, above the national average yet have her doing anything possible to stop Brexit in its tracks. She is treacherous. Your last sentence encapsulates everything that is to be deplored about the current situation. I need to say no more except that in the General Election of 2017 her constituents would have known her views and still re-elected her. The same from the opposite camp pertains to John Redwood.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 9, 2019 10:06:06 GMT 1
There really are some diverse points of view on here and for the most part it is quite civil, the odd snipe here and there, but nothing I've seen that should concern the mods.
I voted remain and would again, given the chance, but a Labour government is more important to me, as at least they would seek to keep the things that Johnson, Gove, Farage, etc. said we would keep. Things like the single market and the customs union. May had the oportunity to deliver a Brexit that could potentially have worked, but was so scared by the right wing of her party that she started out the negotiations with the ''No deal is better than a bad deal'' speech and set the bar so low that nothing was going to be acceptable unless it tied in with beliefs of Rees-Mogg and his acolytes.
As for those advocating deals with India, China, etc. how are we supposed to compete with 27 other countries in a trading bloc when it comes to securing a deal? Over 450 million people in the 27 are a far bigger pool than 65 million in the UK, so it would make far more sense for those countries to look for a deal with the EU than to look at us. We might be able to strike a deal with India, Pakistan etc. but there would be bound to be concessions on movement of people. Now I understand that many leave voters aren't racist in way, shape or form, but there is a rising tide of right wing violence in this country that harks back to the 60s and 70s in its vehemence if not yet in size and therein lies the next problem. If predominantly white people are annoying these people just by being here, what's it going to be like when tens of thousands of black and brown skinned people start turning up at the agencies and accepting minimum wage jobs, just like the eastern Europeans did?
The thought that the Commonwealth is just going roll over and sign trade deals with us is just risable. We may share a common language with a few of them, but that's all there is. Negotiations might not need translators, but that will be about the only thing that is going to be easier. Those countries will only do deals if it's in THEIR interests and the EU is a far bigger market that we are. The EU may be far from perfect, but every country on earth is looking to join a trading bloc (BRICS, ASEAN, etc) and we're walking away from the best one that there is. Unbelievable.
The fact is the UK isn't the pretty girl in the nightclub anymore, while we still in the EU we're a respectable married woman that still looks OK, but when we leave we'll be the rough bird down the pub who'll drop 'em for a couple of pints and taxi fare home. Wecome to Brexit Britain.
We (Conservatives) are still dealing with the mess and ruination of the economy and finances of the last Labour Government, and you want a new Labour Government? A new Labour Government led by Corbyn and including Abbot and McDonnell in the Cabinet would be horrific, what with Corbyn’s ‘kinder, gentler politics’, Abbots math ‘skills’ and McDonnell’s open advocacy of violence (comments about McVey and Tories in general). Not to mention the wrecking of the economy! Why is it any doom and gloom from remain is dismissed as project fear but the usual "Corbyn is a communist gremlin" nonsense is taken as solid cold fact?
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 9, 2019 10:47:24 GMT 1
We (Conservatives) are still dealing with the mess and ruination of the economy and finances of the last Labour Government, and you want a new Labour Government? A new Labour Government led by Corbyn and including Abbot and McDonnell in the Cabinet would be horrific, what with Corbyn’s ‘kinder, gentler politics’, Abbots math ‘skills’ and McDonnell’s open advocacy of violence (comments about McVey and Tories in general). Not to mention the wrecking of the economy! Why is it any doom and gloom from remain is dismissed as project fear but the usual "Corbyn is a communist gremlin" nonsense is taken as solid cold fact? Corbyn is a communist.
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Post by percy on Jan 9, 2019 13:23:33 GMT 1
I did - was not that entertaining but it was interesting. Not sure that it was entirely impartial. You must be desperate to watch that.😁 I watched the Vale match last night too (on iFollow) - the long winter nights just fly past.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 9, 2019 13:40:51 GMT 1
You must be desperate to watch that.😁 I watched the Vale match last night too (on iFollow) - the long winter nights just fly past. You clearly are a glutton for punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 19:56:59 GMT 1
No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way). Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 20:00:14 GMT 1
No, I am not suggesting that 17.4 million voters are right-wing provocateurs. I will suggest though that you are not up to date with the news. "very small group of far-right extremists who just want to undermine democracy". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601Nick Griffin was physically assaulted for years, bricks thrown at him, his property vandalised as well as countless other deplorable acts. Whilst I don't agree with his politics, nobody was shouting from the rooftops for criminal changes against the many, many culprits of these acts. Again Nigel Farage, somebody else who is continually hounded and abused left, right and centre for his beliefs. Nobody is shouting for arrests against these culprits. I don't agree she should suffer any harm at all, let me make that clear. What she should suffer is a backlash from her constituents who voted 57% leave, above the national average yet have her doing anything possible to stop Brexit in its tracks. She is treacherous. Yeah, you know what, I'm really surprised that Griffin and Farage have been physical and verbally abused. Not's like they have ever used inflammatory language, or marginalised people. And, just fancy an elected MP looking after the interests of all her constitutes. Whatever next.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 9, 2019 20:10:41 GMT 1
Well we know where we stand now. It's parliament versus the people. I very much look forward to a no confidence vote. General election on April 4th is a magnificent date for it. I don't much care who wins that, because they're all in it for the privileged.
London posh boys (and girls), versus the working class. Bring it on.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 9, 2019 20:29:26 GMT 1
I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way). Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? Cuts to services - Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Do you spend more money every month than you earn? No me neither, as it causes a thing called debt. Atleast this government is attempting to live within our means. Little school funds - see above. Despite what Corbyn and Co believe, there isn’t a magic money tree we can use. I dare say his class size has risen PARTLY due to the children amongst the 300,000+ net migration in to the UK every single year. Or am I not allowed to say that? Well where else do they get taught apart from existing schools, cloud cuckoo land!?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 20:31:16 GMT 1
I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way). Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? If you don't mind, could you remind us if you were OK with the harassment, insults and abuse Mogg received when he was going about his business at that event in Bristol? If I recall right you had no issue with that or?
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 9, 2019 20:32:41 GMT 1
Well we know where we stand now. It's parliament versus the people. I very much look forward to a no confidence vote. General election on April 4th is a magnificent date for it. I don't much care who wins that, because they're all in it for the privileged.
London posh boys (and girls), versus the working class. Bring it on.
Let’s hope a Brexit party is mobilised by then. Give the establishment the fright of their lives, and get the job done
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 20:38:08 GMT 1
I’m very much up to date with it, thank you. What happened to Anna was deporable and completely not free speech but intimidation. No person should go to work and expect that. Anna is, as is probably obvious, in the same party as me and, although I don’t agree with her stance on Brexit, she shouldn’t be subject to the abuse she received. It should be, rightly, condemned. The level of abuse that Jacob Rees-Mogg received when he moved into Cowley Street from the far-left Ian Bone and followera should have also been condemned in the same way. As a Conservative member since I was 16 (8 years now), activist and approved candidate I have also been subject to a torrent of abuse from certain people in public - shouted at, intimidated etc. and it’s not nice. The far-right extremists who shouted unsavoury, horrible things at Anna have no place in politics and by no means represent leave voters (not saying that anyone is saying that by the way). Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? I’m sorry, but it’s by no means ‘whataboutry’. I was simply stating, at the same time as condemning the comments about Soubry, that it happens on different occassions, too, and gave an example. To find, or at least attempt to find, some common ground, I also completely agree with you about James Goddard and co and again by no means represent leave voters as a whole and certainly not myself. To answer your further questions: 1) The Department for Education has committed that by 2020 school funding in England will rise to a record £43.5bn. There already is more money than ever before being pumped into schools. Also, on a more local point, funding for Shropshire schools has, overall, increased. Yes some have seen a reduction but I’m confident that Daniel will, as always, try his upmost with the DfE to secure further funds. 2) As a person who’s both father and younger brother are disabled I agree that more (much more) needs to be done by this Government and future Governments in order to properly fund services for disabled children and keep services and access to services open. It’s something I am passionate about so I believe we will actually agree strongly on this issue. 3) This is an issue that is sadly seen across the UK and indeed Shrewsbury. I would love to see an end to homelessness (I’m sure we all would) and we are committed to eliminating rough sleeping by 2027 by committing £100m. Once this has been done I agree with Andy Street as he said ‘ultimately, we are working to ‘design out’ homelessness entirely, by helping at-risk people before they get to a crisis point’.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 20:38:50 GMT 1
Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? If you don't mind, could you remind us if you were OK with the harassment, insults and abuse Mogg received when he was going about his business at that event in Bristol? If I recall right you had no issue with that or? I don't as it happens.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 20:39:33 GMT 1
If you don't mind, could you remind us if you were OK with the harassment, insults and abuse Mogg received when he was going about his business at that event in Bristol? If I recall right you had no issue with that or? I don't as it happens. Yeah, thought not. **** me it reeks of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 20:42:32 GMT 1
Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? Cuts to services - Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Do you spend more money every month than you earn? No me neither, as it causes a thing called debt. Atleast this government is attempting to live within our means. Little school funds - see above. Despite what Corbyn and Co believe, there isn’t a magic money tree we can use. I dare say his class size has risen PARTLY due to the children amongst the 300,000+ net migration in to the UK every single year. Or am I not allowed to say that? Well where else do they get taught apart from existing schools, cloud cuckoo land!? 1. Apparently the Tories have increased spending. 2. Appreantly the Tories have increased funding. 3. No, support staff are not being recruited.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 20:48:08 GMT 1
Yeah, thought not. **** me it reeks of it. He was at a public event. And, you know I just mentioned the right-wing provocation, I didn't condemn it, it was in the news, people can make their own minds up. Yeah, hypocrisy eh? Mogg upsets, or triggers snowflakes, or whatever term people would like to use and gets abuse. James Maclean upsets people because he choses to turn his back on the anthem and he asks for the abuse he gets. Yes, reeks of it.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 9, 2019 20:49:12 GMT 1
Cuts to services - Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Do you spend more money every month than you earn? No me neither, as it causes a thing called debt. Atleast this government is attempting to live within our means. Little school funds - see above. Despite what Corbyn and Co believe, there isn’t a magic money tree we can use. I dare say his class size has risen PARTLY due to the children amongst the 300,000+ net migration in to the UK every single year. Or am I not allowed to say that? Well where else do they get taught apart from existing schools, cloud cuckoo land!? 1. Apparently the Tories have increased spending. 2. Appreantly the Tories have increased funding. 3. No, support staff are not being recruited. That comment didn’t come from me. I stand by my points Housing crisis NHS crisis Schools crisis Etc etc Apparently nothing to do with the strains put on all, by a rapidly rising and ageing population. b******s Partly through uncontrolled immigration. Pushing the services we all pay our taxes for to the breaking point. Time to stop this madness. Paying the EU in return to strain our services
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 20:58:54 GMT 1
1. Apparently the Tories have increased spending. 2. Appreantly the Tories have increased funding. 3. No, support staff are not being recruited. That comment didn’t come from me. I stand by my points Housing crisis NHS crisis Schools crisis Etc etc Apparently nothing to do with the strains put on all, by a rapidly rising and ageing population. b******s Partly through uncontrolled immigration. Pushing the services we all pay our taxes for to the breaking point. Time to stop this madness. Paying the EU in return to strain our services It's migrant workers who are mainly wiping the @rses of the aging population, because for some reason young British people don't wish to do the job. It was the migrant nurses who cared for me when in hospital, because for some reason young British people don't want to nurse. See my post about my niece and Matrons post about the uptake of nurse training. It seems to generally accepted that migrants have a positive impact on the UK. www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/yes-eu-immigrants-do-have-positive-impact-public-financesYou don't think so, that's fine.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 21:00:21 GMT 1
Yeah, thought not. **** me it reeks of it. He was at a public event. And, you know I just mentioned the right-wing provocation, I didn't condemn it, it was in the news, people can make their own minds up. Yeah, hypocrisy eh? Mogg upsets, or triggers snowflakes, or whatever term people would like to use and gets abuse. James Maclean upsets people because he choses to turn his back on the anthem and he asks for the abuse he gets. Yes, reeks of it. Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? And how has Mogg insulted anyone, what has he said or done? Whenever I have seen him he always comes across as very respectable.
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