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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:10:15 GMT 1
He was at a public event. And, you know I just mentioned the right-wing provocation, I didn't condemn it, it was in the news, people can make their own minds up. Yeah, hypocrisy eh? Mogg upsets, or triggers snowflakes, or whatever term people would like to use and gets abuse. James Maclean upsets people because he choses to turn his back on the anthem and he asks for the abuse he gets. Yes, reeks of it. Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? And how has Mogg insulted anyone, what has he said or done? Whenever I have seen him he always comes across as very respectable. So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him.
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 21:11:41 GMT 1
That comment didn’t come from me. I stand by my points Housing crisis NHS crisis Schools crisis Etc etc Apparently nothing to do with the strains put on all, by a rapidly rising and ageing population. b******s Partly through uncontrolled immigration. Pushing the services we all pay our taxes for to the breaking point. Time to stop this madness. Paying the EU in return to strain our services It's migrant workers who are mainly wiping the @rses of the aging population, because for some reason young British people don't wish to do the job. It was the migrant nurses who cared for me when in hospital, because for some reason young British people don't want to nurse. See my post about my niece and Matrons post about the uptake of nurse training. It seems to generally accepted that migrants have a positive impact on the UK. www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/yes-eu-immigrants-do-have-positive-impact-public-financesYou don't think so, that's fine. Wiping the arses of the aging population? You mean the aging population who have paid taxes for the vast majority of their life and who have contributed huge amounts to the economy and society? I’m sorry, I tried to reason and find common ground with you earlier in my response to your questions but judging by both these comments and the comments you made in response to Stuttgartershrew about JRM I’m afraid I’ve misplaced my hope in finding that common ground. It really is a front that Corbyn and his followers wish for ‘kinder, gentler politics’. I’ve no doubt that they/you do, however only if people agree with your viewpoints. How sad.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 9, 2019 21:12:02 GMT 1
That comment didn’t come from me. I stand by my points Housing crisis NHS crisis Schools crisis Etc etc Apparently nothing to do with the strains put on all, by a rapidly rising and ageing population. b******s Partly through uncontrolled immigration. Pushing the services we all pay our taxes for to the breaking point. Time to stop this madness. Paying the EU in return to strain our services It's migrant workers who are mainly wiping the @rses of the aging population, because for some reason young British people don't wish to do the job. It was the migrant nurses who cared for me when in hospital, because for some reason young British people don't want to nurse. See my post about my niece and Matrons post about the uptake of nurse training. It seems to generally accepted that migrants have a positive impact on the UK. www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/yes-eu-immigrants-do-have-positive-impact-public-financesYou don't think so, that's fine. Life isn’t black and white, positive or negative. I believe some is good and needed, some is not This thread is the same people going round in circles, hence only briefly dipping in. I’ve already said some controlled skilled immigration is needed and good. You accused that of being discriminatory. I disagree. Fair enough
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 21:16:41 GMT 1
Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? And how has Mogg insulted anyone, what has he said or done? Whenever I have seen him he always comes across as very respectable. So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him. I think you are reaching there, I fail to see the comparison. Mogg may have opinions that many others do not agree with (including myself) but as far as I am aware he presents and airs them in a very respectable manner. He doesn't insult people in order to get his message across. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament?
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 21:19:39 GMT 1
Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? And how has Mogg insulted anyone, what has he said or done? Whenever I have seen him he always comes across as very respectable. So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him. Now I would make comments here about hyposcrisy. Corbyn: - Called Hamas ‘friends’ - Accepted £20k from Iranian state TV, despite it being illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person of the same sex in Iran - Said he was present but wasn’t actually ‘involved’ at a wreath-laying for individuals behind the group that carried out the Munich Olympic massacre - MI5 actually opening a file due to concerns over his links to the IRA Jacob Rees-Mogg, however, defending his right to religious freedom has drawn this response from you. Dear God.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:22:40 GMT 1
It's migrant workers who are mainly wiping the @rses of the aging population, because for some reason young British people don't wish to do the job. It was the migrant nurses who cared for me when in hospital, because for some reason young British people don't want to nurse. See my post about my niece and Matrons post about the uptake of nurse training. It seems to generally accepted that migrants have a positive impact on the UK. www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/yes-eu-immigrants-do-have-positive-impact-public-financesYou don't think so, that's fine. Wiping the arses of the aging population? You mean the aging population who have paid taxes for the vast majority of their life and who have contributed huge amounts to the economy and society? I’m sorry, I tried to reason and find common ground with you earlier in my response to your questions but judging by both these comments and the comments you made in response to Stuttgartershrew about JRM I’m afraid I’ve misplaced my hope in finding that common ground. It really is a front that Corbyn and his followers wish for ‘kinder, gentler politics’. I’ve no doubt that they/you do, however only if people agree with your viewpoints. How sad. Why do you assume that I'm a Labour supporter? And you're totally missing the point of people wiping the @rse of an aging population. They can pay all the taxes they like, but if no young people are willing to do the job, then who will? The Tory Government have made Social Care apprenticeship and training worthless by cutting funding for them. Nobody wants to the jobs and no care provider will pay for training, because budgets are stretched. You said austerity doesn't exit, it does and it effects people's life's. As for Rees-Mogg, look at his voting record. If you agree with that, then we have no common ground what so ever.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 21:23:16 GMT 1
So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him. - Said he was present but wasn’t actually ‘involved’ at a wreath-laying for individuals behind the group that carried out the Munich Olympic massacre Lets have it right, pretty sure his first gambit was that he wasn't even there...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:28:11 GMT 1
So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him. I think you are reaching there, I fail to see the comparison. Mogg may have opinions that many others do not agree with (including myself) but as far as I am aware he presents and airs them in a very respective manner. He doesn't insult people in order to get his message across. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? You said that Maclean asked for the abuse he got. Fine, but his actions don't effect people's life's. Rees-Mogg votes on legislation that effects people's life's. His voting record speaks for itself, and like you said with Maclean, I can see why people abuse him. It's hypocrisy to say otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:31:55 GMT 1
So, James Maclean... Anyway, Rees-Mogg has consistently voted against equal gay rights, equality and human rights, same sex marriage, anything that might benefit disabled people as an MP. That might upset some people. Then there's pearls of wisdom, like this. On the increased take-up of food banks in the UK: “I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.” I have absolutely no idea, why some people would want to throw abuse at him. Now I would make comments here about hyposcrisy. Corbyn: - Called Hamas ‘friends’ - Accepted £20k from Iranian state TV, despite it being illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person of the same sex in Iran - Said he was present but wasn’t actually ‘involved’ at a wreath-laying for individuals behind the group that carried out the Munich Olympic massacre - MI5 actually opening a file due to concerns over his links to the IRA Jacob Rees-Mogg, however, defending his right to religious freedom has drawn this response from you. Dear God. And Corbyn is excising his right for freedom of expression and free speech. Dear God indeed. And, you know, before you trot out the usual Tory line about supporting terrorists, Danny K is a Saudi shill, and the Government continually supports the Saudi regime. The biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world.
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 21:31:55 GMT 1
Wiping the arses of the aging population? You mean the aging population who have paid taxes for the vast majority of their life and who have contributed huge amounts to the economy and society? I’m sorry, I tried to reason and find common ground with you earlier in my response to your questions but judging by both these comments and the comments you made in response to Stuttgartershrew about JRM I’m afraid I’ve misplaced my hope in finding that common ground. It really is a front that Corbyn and his followers wish for ‘kinder, gentler politics’. I’ve no doubt that they/you do, however only if people agree with your viewpoints. How sad. Why do you assume that I'm a Labour supporter? And you're totally missing the point of people wiping the @rse of an aging population. They can pay all the taxes they like, but if no young people are willing to do the job, then who will? The Tory Government have made Social Care apprenticeship and training worthless by cutting funding for them. Nobody wants to the jobs and no care provider will pay for training, because budgets are stretched. You said austerity doesn't exit, it does and it effects people's life's. As for Rees-Mogg, look at his voting record. If you agree with that, then we have no common ground what so ever. Apologies if you’re not a Labour supporter, then. I’m actually a keen supporter of Jacob Rees-Mogg and have admired him for many years, not just since he became popular in the last couple of years. He has great articulation, is a great orator and always puts his points of view across so eloquently whilst respecting those who he is debating. You didn’t respond to any of my previous response to yourself where I did seek to find common ground, and I now assume, as per my comments on JRM, we will ‘have no common ground what do ever’. Not even sharing the fact that we’re both avid STFC supporters? At the end of the day we all (except Kopthis and theNOTORIOUSfbs and a couple of others 😉) have common ground as supporting Shrewsbury Town. Yes, we will always have disagreements even on STFC matters, but there’s more to life than politics. Can we, at the very, very least, find common ground there? 😊
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 21:37:06 GMT 1
I think you are reaching there, I fail to see the comparison. Mogg may have opinions that many others do not agree with (including myself) but as far as I am aware he presents and airs them in a very respective manner. He doesn't insult people in order to get his message across. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? You said that Maclean asked for the abuse he got. Fine, but his actions don't effect people's life's. Rees-Mogg votes on legislation that effects people's life's. His voting record speaks for itself, and like you said with Maclean, I can see why people abuse him. It's hypocrisy to say otherwise. I'm saying that if McClean insults a flag and anthem and therefore, in turn, the country where he currently lives and works then its inevitable that people will respond in kind. And he brought that about himself. I can only go on what I have seen but Mogg does not go about insulting people, whenever I have seen him he behaves in a very respectable manner to all those he is conversing with. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:38:12 GMT 1
Why do you assume that I'm a Labour supporter? And you're totally missing the point of people wiping the @rse of an aging population. They can pay all the taxes they like, but if no young people are willing to do the job, then who will? The Tory Government have made Social Care apprenticeship and training worthless by cutting funding for them. Nobody wants to the jobs and no care provider will pay for training, because budgets are stretched. You said austerity doesn't exit, it does and it effects people's life's. As for Rees-Mogg, look at his voting record. If you agree with that, then we have no common ground what so ever. Apologies if you’re not a Labour supporter, then. I’m actually a keen supporter of Jacob Rees-Mogg and have admired him for many years, not just since he became popular in the last couple of years. He has great articulation, is a great orator and always puts his points of view across so eloquently whilst respecting those who he is debating. You didn’t respond to any of my previous response to yourself where I did seek to find common ground, and I now assume, as per my comments on JRM, we will ‘have no common ground what do ever’. Not even sharing the fact that we’re both avid STFC supporters? At the end of the day we all (except Kopthis and theNOTORIOUSfbs and a couple of others 😉) have common ground as supporting Shrewsbury Town. Yes, we will always have disagreements even on STFC matters, but there’s more to life than politics. Can we, at the very, very least, find common ground there? 😊 Because I've heard the responses before from Edward Timpson, personally. You are bang on message. And you know, Hitler was a great orator (and no I'm not suggesting Rees-Mogg is a Nazi, he's a very old fashioned Conservative, rather quaint in his way). And in the interests on transparency, I vote Green.
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 21:40:43 GMT 1
Apologies if you’re not a Labour supporter, then. I’m actually a keen supporter of Jacob Rees-Mogg and have admired him for many years, not just since he became popular in the last couple of years. He has great articulation, is a great orator and always puts his points of view across so eloquently whilst respecting those who he is debating. You didn’t respond to any of my previous response to yourself where I did seek to find common ground, and I now assume, as per my comments on JRM, we will ‘have no common ground what do ever’. Not even sharing the fact that we’re both avid STFC supporters? At the end of the day we all (except Kopthis and theNOTORIOUSfbs and a couple of others 😉) have common ground as supporting Shrewsbury Town. Yes, we will always have disagreements even on STFC matters, but there’s more to life than politics. Can we, at the very, very least, find common ground there? 😊 Because I've heard the responses before from Edward Timpson, personally. You are bang on message. And you know, Hitler was a great orator (and no I'm not suggesting Rees-Mogg is a Nazi, he's a very old fashioned Conservative, rather quaint in his way). And in the interests on transparency, I vote Green. In the interests of transparency...have we finally found some common ground? 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:41:35 GMT 1
You said that Maclean asked for the abuse he got. Fine, but his actions don't effect people's life's. Rees-Mogg votes on legislation that effects people's life's. His voting record speaks for itself, and like you said with Maclean, I can see why people abuse him. It's hypocrisy to say otherwise. I'm saying that if McClean insults a flag and anthem and therefore, in turn, the country where he currently lives and works then its inevitable that people will respond in kind. And he brought that about himself. I can only go on what I have seen but Mogg does not go about insulting people, whenever I have seen him he behaves in a very respectable manner to all those he is conversing with. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? Well that's ok then isn't it. And as I understand it Rees-Mogg was on the campus when he was confronted by masked 'students'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:43:13 GMT 1
Because I've heard the responses before from Edward Timpson, personally. You are bang on message. And you know, Hitler was a great orator (and no I'm not suggesting Rees-Mogg is a Nazi, he's a very old fashioned Conservative, rather quaint in his way). And in the interests on transparency, I vote Green. In the interests of transparency...have we finally found some common ground? 😉 Not really, because despite what you and Ed Timpson say, it isn't happening on the ground so to speak. Anyway, good discussion.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 21:48:20 GMT 1
I'm saying that if McClean insults a flag and anthem and therefore, in turn, the country where he currently lives and works then its inevitable that people will respond in kind. And he brought that about himself. I can only go on what I have seen but Mogg does not go about insulting people, whenever I have seen him he behaves in a very respectable manner to all those he is conversing with. As shown when those clowns got involved in Bristol. And speaking of which... Pubic event? From what I can see this is happening on a public footpath, right? And just so we have this right. As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? ...when he was confronted by masked 'students'. Anyhow, not sure I got an answer... As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament?
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Post by salopross on Jan 9, 2019 21:48:27 GMT 1
In the interests of transparency...have we finally found some common ground? 😉 Not really, because despite what you and Ed Timpson say, it isn't happening on the ground so to speak. Anyway, good discussion. Ok, well at least I tried. Yes, good discussion. P.s we, well I at the very least, don’t just say things for the sake of saying things, it’s genuinely not just words. It’s something I genuinely am and will continue to fight for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 22:00:51 GMT 1
...when he was confronted by masked 'students'. Ah, so you going down that path again. I recall you tried this line with the riots seen in Hamburg. Anyhow, not sure I got an answer... As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? As I remember it it was reported that he was confronted by mask students. I wasn't there so can't say what or who they were. What about Hamburg? And nope, because however misguided I think Goodard and his mob are, they believe that the MP's are selling out and they believe that this is the only way they can influence proceedings. Not that it did any good.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 9, 2019 22:03:09 GMT 1
Ah, so you going down that path again. I recall you tried this line with the riots seen in Hamburg. Anyhow, not sure I got an answer... As with Mogg, you have no issue with the harassment, abuse and insults suffered by those who are walking into Parliament? And nope, because however misguided I think Goodard and his mob are, they believe that the MP's are selling out and they believe that this is the only way they can influence proceedings. Not that it did any good. Thanks for the answer. As for the 'students' comment, I wasn't sure why you thought it warranted inclusion. Not that it did any good.Indeed, same goes for those idiots who got involved at Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 22:13:50 GMT 1
And nope, because however misguided I think Goodard and his mob are, they believe that the MP's are selling out and they believe that this is the only way they can influence proceedings. Not that it did any good. Thanks for the answer. As for the 'students' comment, I wasn't sure why you thought it warranted inclusion. Because, it was what was reported, just checked and other sources use the term protestors. Note though I did use scare quotes. And to clarify, political violence, both physical and verbal is as old as politics itself and is often used by the disenfranchised to articulate their resentment. In many ways it's part of the process and political violence got women the vote for example. It also increased the franchise in the late 19th and early 20th century. We will disagree on that, but what we surely can agree on that in the mid to late 20th century and into this century, political violence in the UK has been isolated and engaged in by small numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 23:21:15 GMT 1
Whataboutry. Ok. Ian Bone is a nutjob anarchist, who you're right, shouldn't door step a MP and tell his kids their dad is nasty. On the other hand Anna Soubry and 150 other MPs are being harassed and abused by James Goddard and his cronies while they go about their democratic business in probably the most important period of our modern history. Added to the James Goddard racial abuses a police officer and tells them they're not even British. The issues appears though, no one, whether Ian Bone or James Goddard are getting arrested under the Public Order Act. As you mentioned it, being an activist and approved candidate of the Tory Party I have some questions. Up thread, you suggest "Austerity? Public expenditure has, and continues, to rise. So much for ‘austerity’. " Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98361/brexit-agreement?page=26#ixzz5c8arUt74 Can you explain to me then, why my son's school is struggling to balance it's budget and can't afford to replace staff who leave, have had to increase class size to accommodate the lack of staff and approach the PTA (I am a member) cap in hand for funds for basics? Can you also explain why the LA will not be able to provide transport for pupils from around the county enabling them to access their education? Also, can you explain why services for disabled children have been cut, to the detriment of quality of life and life chances for disabled young people? Why are their so many rough sleepers on the streets of Shrewsbury? Cuts to services - Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Do you spend more money every month than you earn? No me neither, as it causes a thing called debt. Atleast this government is attempting to live within our means. Little school funds - see above. Despite what Corbyn and Co believe, there isn’t a magic money tree we can use. I dare say his class size has risen PARTLY due to the children amongst the 300,000+ net migration in to the UK every single year. Or am I not allowed to say that? Well where else do they get taught apart from existing schools, cloud cuckoo land!? Curious then that if countries budgets are identical to household budgets why has an international baliff not gone over and sorted out Japan who have 230%+ debt to gdp. Oh no. I remember now. Its because a sovereign issuer of a currency pays its own debt by the issuing of new money. Most 'debt' in the form of government bonds is actually your future pension as institutional investors purchase these. The 'debt' is also used to build infrastructure and provide services to you know improve people's lives which in turn stimulate economic activity meaning more people have better jobs and spend more and so on and so forth. Of course the inverse of debt is fiscal contraction which results in money being taken out of the economy. Stifling investment and weakening services. Sound familiar? And before the whole magic money tree s**te. Its not a tree per se merely strokes on a computer screen at the BofE. Where else did it come from. I certainly can't print my own money. Neither can any company. Therefore it came from the BofE tree. And no we can't print money to infinity as that would cause hyper inflation. But as keynesian theory goes the absolute worst thing to do post recession is to tighten the belts. Well your luminaries Osborne and Danny Alexander did just that and look at the country and society it has unleashed. Bitter, angry, divided and in some cases vicious.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 10, 2019 0:56:11 GMT 1
Apologies if you’re not a Labour supporter, then. I’m actually a keen supporter of Jacob Rees-Mogg and have admired him for many years, not just since he became popular in the last couple of years. He has great articulation, is a great orator and always puts his points of view across so eloquently whilst respecting those who he is debating. You didn’t respond to any of my previous response to yourself where I did seek to find common ground, and I now assume, as per my comments on JRM, we will ‘have no common ground what do ever’. Not even sharing the fact that we’re both avid STFC supporters? At the end of the day we all (except Kopthis and theNOTORIOUSfbs and a couple of others 😉) have common ground as supporting Shrewsbury Town. Yes, we will always have disagreements even on STFC matters, but there’s more to life than politics. Can we, at the very, very least, find common ground there? 😊 And in the interests on transparency, I vote Green.
I would join you, Nick, but I don't own a pair of sandals.
All good stuff, and at the end of it, we can all be friends.
P.S., after break sit, sandals will be cheaper. What colour do you want?
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 10, 2019 7:55:24 GMT 1
1. Apparently the Tories have increased spending. 2. Appreantly the Tories have increased funding. 3. No, support staff are not being recruited. That comment didn’t come from me. I stand by my points Housing crisis NHS crisis Schools crisis Etc etc Apparently nothing to do with the strains put on all, by a rapidly rising and ageing population. b******s Partly through uncontrolled immigration. Pushing the services we all pay our taxes for to the breaking point. Time to stop this madness. Paying the EU in return to strain our services Immigration (being predominantly younger, working age people who work and are net contributors to the public coffers) is probably the only thing somewhat lessening the aging of the population and its effects.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 10, 2019 8:16:19 GMT 1
Cuts to services - Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Do you spend more money every month than you earn? No me neither, as it causes a thing called debt. Atleast this government is attempting to live within our means. Little school funds - see above. Despite what Corbyn and Co believe, there isn’t a magic money tree we can use. I dare say his class size has risen PARTLY due to the children amongst the 300,000+ net migration in to the UK every single year. Or am I not allowed to say that? Well where else do they get taught apart from existing schools, cloud cuckoo land!? Curious then that if countries budgets are identical to household budgets why has an international baliff not gone over and sorted out Japan who have 230%+ debt to gdp. Oh no. I remember now. Its because a sovereign issuer of a currency pays its own debt by the issuing of new money. Most 'debt' in the form of government bonds is actually your future pension as institutional investors purchase these. The 'debt' is also used to build infrastructure and provide services to you know improve people's lives which in turn stimulate economic activity meaning more people have better jobs and spend more and so on and so forth. Of course the inverse of debt is fiscal contraction which results in money being taken out of the economy. Stifling investment and weakening services. Sound familiar? And before the whole magic money tree s**te. Its not a tree per se merely strokes on a computer screen at the BofE. Where else did it come from. I certainly can't print my own money. Neither can any company. Therefore it came from the BofE tree. And no we can't print money to infinity as that would cause hyper inflation. But as keynesian theory goes the absolute worst thing to do post recession is to tighten the belts. Well your luminaries Osborne and Danny Alexander did just that and look at the country and society it has unleashed. Bitter, angry, divided and in some cases vicious. Yep. Japan has sky high public debt but it is manageable because they issue their own currency and have very low (problematically low if you believe many economists and the Abe government) inflation. Comparing national finances to household budgets is exceptionally childish and a popular propaganda device used by the Conservative government to justify their ideological cuts. Also if you care to actually look at the figures, the last Labour government were fairly financially prudent, especially under Gordon Brown's chancellorship, and the blame for problems caused by the international credit crunch and financial crisis that was mainly beyond their control. Labour themselves are partly to blame for this narrative however, as they have never robustly defended themselves (although obviously fighting an uphill battle anyway due to the lack of balance in the national media). By the way, as we are declaring our political persuasions, I was never really a Labour supporter (and still wouldn't be) and always considered myself more a Lib Dem until they joined the coalition, betrayed their core support on numerous issues and became an unelectable political joke.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 10, 2019 9:47:41 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2019 11:25:04 GMT 1
That's the trouble with politics these days (is it the internet?), everyone's a pundit, nobody wants to do it. 27 pages of Brexit comment so far shows a political interest, but the good people of Shropshire somehow end up with people like Owen Paterson, Daniel Kawczynski and Lucy Allan representing them.
A few years ago if you had said Theresa May would be Prime Minister and 'lifer' backbencher J Corbyn would be leader of the opposition you would have been shot down in flames, America is not immune, go back a few years and tell them the guy off 'The Apprentice' would be president.
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Post by salopross on Jan 10, 2019 11:28:15 GMT 1
That's the trouble with politics these days (is it the internet?), everyone's a pundit, nobody wants to do it. 27 pages of Brexit comment so far shows a political interest, but the good people of Shropshire somehow end up with people like Owen Paterson, Daniel Kawczynski and Lucy Allan representing them. I do and love every second of it. I'm also glad we elected my previous MP (when living in Baschurch) Owen Paterson and my current MP, since moving into Shrewsbury, Daniel Kawczynski.
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Post by salop27 on Jan 10, 2019 12:06:04 GMT 1
Corbyn calling for a general election, again... Can anyone here see how that would actually help brexit? Just more of the same from him,putting his party interests above the national interest.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2019 12:21:25 GMT 1
Corbyn calling for a general election, again... Can anyone here see how that would actually help brexit? Just more of the same from him,putting his party interests above the national interest. Treacherous bugger has no intension of looking after the national interest. A general election is the last thing we need right now. His refusal to back any deal that TM would bring to the table is a contributing factor of the mess we're currently in, purely obsessed with his own party rather than the interests of the country.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2019 12:29:20 GMT 1
Corbyn calling for a general election, again... Can anyone here see how that would actually help brexit? Just more of the same from him,putting his party interests above the national interest. Help brexit? Who wants to do that? Are you a Tory? Because no Tory is entitled to lecture anyone about putting party before country. The country has been dragged into this whole mess because the Tory party couldn't resolve its differences over Europe.
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