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Post by CopthorneShrew on May 1, 2016 22:02:03 GMT 1
A lot spoken about Jackson on here recently, is there any substance in this or is he just the scapegoat now Vassell is out the team?
Has anyone seen him coach? Admittedly the defence has been a sham all season but there's been no consistency in selection..
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Post by markglasgow on May 1, 2016 22:16:18 GMT 1
This will be interesting. Let the misinformed BS flow....
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Post by suttonshrew on May 1, 2016 22:26:15 GMT 1
few times I've been at the ground this season and seen the lads train and every time it's been Jacko taking training, sessions seem well run and everyone is involved. I'm not sure what the situation is with MM taking training but he obviously trusts Jacko to delegate his important task to him.
If anyone went to the q&a when he was manager they will know how passionate he is.
At the end of the day it's up to the manager to pick his staff and if MM or whoever is manager decides Jacko is the right man for assistant that's good enough for me
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Post by CopthorneShrew on May 1, 2016 22:30:37 GMT 1
few times I've been at the ground this season and seen the lads train and every time it's been Jacko taking training, sessions seem well run and everyone is involved. I'm not sure what the situation is with MM taking training but he obviously trusts Jacko to delegate his important task to him. If anyone went to the q&a when he was manager they will know how passionate he is. At the end of the day it's up to the manager to pick his staff and if MM or whoever is manager decides Jacko is the right man for assistant that's good enough for me I'd agree with that. I have caught the twenty minutes or so of training & it seems the sessions flow well & the lads are enjoying it - I suppose we just hope he's telling them the right information. Im not sure too many Managers take training nowadays? One allegation frequently mentioned is tha Jackson is RW's man - you have to hope RW allows the Manager to appoint his own staff otherwise, for me, it's out of order & the incorrect way to run a football club.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 1, 2016 22:36:16 GMT 1
A lot spoken about Jackson on here recently, is there any substance in this or is he just the scapegoat now Vassell is out the team
Dunno. I haven't seen much about him on here. I've got a couple of contacts in the club circle, (which isn't for public consumption), but not heard anything about Jackson, so I don't have a "beef" about him.
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Post by mattmw on May 1, 2016 22:51:35 GMT 1
Not necessarily a beef, but having spoken with both Jackson and Mellon they both come across as quite intense, process driven people.
This is no bad thing in football management but maybe the two together are a little similar for the players and adding in someone a bit different with approach might help things along
I think Jackson's only coaching role has been with us and that maybe doesn't help either for him or us. Doesn't necessarily make Jackson a bad coach just that his experience is pretty limited, and an older coach whose worked at a range of clubs might add to the mix
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Post by Scarecrow on May 1, 2016 22:57:39 GMT 1
From what people have said on here I've heard that he's not exactly one to get on with players. Going back a bit he had a bust up with the now Chelsea reserve Michael Hector which apparently came to blows and people more in the know than me have said past players found him difficult.
When you are coaching a side it's important to have the support of players, in Jacko's case it may well be this that lets him down.
Also some of the signings he's recommended like bringing Sadler back this season have been awful, not to mention how defences he's organised as a former defender have been dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 23:49:17 GMT 1
Was MJ involved in training sessions when we were promoted last season ? Think he was if I remember correctly .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 2, 2016 6:15:29 GMT 1
I think when it comes to Jackson it's two things that come to mind. I never like the idea of any manager having the backroom staff sorted for him. I would rather the manager have a free hand on who he brings in and who he works with. Now granted Jackson may not have been forced upon Mellon, I have no idea whether he was or not (and so this might well be misinformed BS ) but if it was part of the deal to bring him to the club then I don't think that is the best way to go about things. In the long term I don't think that is a recipe for success. Second, if we are keeping him around because we see him as heir apparent then his first stint at the reigns doesn't really fill me with confidence and I'm not entirely sure I'd like to see the chap given a second term as manager. But again, this might be nonsense as I have no idea whether it's true that the chairman does actually seem him as manager of Town once again some way down the line. So just to clear all this up, because all of the above might be complete nonsense, does Mellon have a free hand when it comes to Jackson and his role within the club?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:06:57 GMT 1
After a tough season, it's no surprise that the contribution of several prominent members of staff will be analysed this summer at length. IMO Jackson is a very good coach and happy for him to stay if MM does.
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Post by davycrockett on May 2, 2016 8:19:58 GMT 1
Hector?
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Post by shrewder on May 2, 2016 8:21:44 GMT 1
There may be a very small minority of fans who really have an idea what MJ is like as a coach. However the vast majority of us haven't got a clue about him. So being made the scapegoat by some when things go wrong is probably totally unjustified.
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Post by Nath on May 2, 2016 8:44:04 GMT 1
I think it's really positive that the club have stuck with him and have provided him with his current role. I think it's unfair to dismiss him as not good enough based on his previous stint as manager. He over a side with no confidence, barely any talent and on course to get relegated, it was a tough experience/situation for a managers first experience in professional football.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:52:44 GMT 1
I think it's really positive that the club have stuck with him and have provided him with his current role. I think it's unfair to dismiss him as not good enough based on his previous stint as manager. He over a side with no confidence, barely any talent and on course to get relegated, it was a tough experience/situation for a managers first experience in professional football. I would agree with that Nath but that's often the environment that caretaker managers inherit. He wanted the task and needed to show us he had the budding abilities to become manager full time. I don't think that experience devalues him as a coach but it showed he was not ready for management. He may be in the future but not with us I hope.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:56:37 GMT 1
He's an easy target for the ignorant and misinformed when things go wrong. Some posters on here can't cope without a scapegoat, need to have someone to blame when things go wrong. He's the second longest serving member of staff at the club, has vast experience and clearly cares about the club and how we perform, and to me that is priceless!
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Post by Nath on May 2, 2016 8:59:24 GMT 1
I think it's really positive that the club have stuck with him and have provided him with his current role. I think it's unfair to dismiss him as not good enough based on his previous stint as manager. He over a side with no confidence, barely any talent and on course to get relegated, it was a tough experience/situation for a managers first experience in professional football. I would agree with that Nath but that's often the environment that caretaker managers inherit. He wanted the task and needed to show us he had the budding abilities to become manager full time. I don't think that experience devalues him as a coach but it showed he was not ready for management. He may be in the future but not with us I hope. I think he faced a very different task to a lot of managers that come in mid/late season and try to salvage something. MJ did not take over a squad. He also over after the January transfer window so he had to use the loan market, a strategy that had failed for GT. I don't think it is fair to judge him on his previous experience managing us.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 9:00:55 GMT 1
I don't think that experience devalues him as a coach but it showed he was not ready for management. He may be in the future but not with us I hope. Not often I disagree with you buddy, but the relegation side that Turner left would have needed a miracle worthy of Lazarus himself to stay up and surely can't be regarded as a genuine test of ability?!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 9:04:42 GMT 1
I don't think that experience devalues him as a coach but it showed he was not ready for management. He may be in the future but not with us I hope. Not often I disagree with you buddy, but the relegation side that Turner left would have needed a miracle worthy of Lazarus himself to stay up and surely can't be regarded as a genuine test of ability?! I agree it would have been a tremendous achievement to survive in the circumstances but 4 wins in 19, come on, you could argue he actually made us worse... And some of his selections and formations were baffling to say the least.
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Post by napoleon4th on May 2, 2016 9:37:21 GMT 1
Came in on loan from Reading, promising centre half , powerful header of the ball, played 8 games made one mistake that cost a goal and was not seen again.
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Post by Stavvy on May 2, 2016 10:24:21 GMT 1
Isnt it funny, weve had a bad season and people look for a scapegoat. Not many moans about his credentials in our last 2 promotion seasons.
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Post by lenny on May 2, 2016 10:37:05 GMT 1
Came in on loan from Reading, promising centre half , powerful header of the ball, played 8 games made one mistake that cost a goal and was not seen again. Made one mistake? Most fans wanted him out the side as he was liable to make a clanger each game and saw his potential, but felt he wasn't ready for L1. Vindicated when he went on loan to Cheltenham in L2, and did very well. It's hardly like his lack of appearances for us was some kind of mystery, though.
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Post by buryshrew on May 2, 2016 10:37:38 GMT 1
He's an easy target for the ignorant and misinformed when things go wrong. Some posters on here can't cope without a scapegoat, need to have someone to blame when things go wrong. He's the second longest serving member of staff at the club, has vast experience and clearly cares about the club and how we perform, and to me that is priceless! So, the ignorant and misinformed are those that question whether MJ is the best coach we could get to prepare the team for league 1 football. Those that think our performances this season deserve further analysis beyond ' the players didn't play well enough' are all idiots. Good to have that sorted then. Can someone in the 'God-like and enlightened' camp please explain why our coaching should not be put under the spotlight given our somewhat sporadic displays? I may be playing devils advocate to a degree here, but why should coaching NOT be questioned?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:46:16 GMT 1
He's an easy target for the ignorant and misinformed when things go wrong. Some posters on here can't cope without a scapegoat, need to have someone to blame when things go wrong. He's the second longest serving member of staff at the club, has vast experience and clearly cares about the club and how we perform, and to me that is priceless! So, the ignorant and misinformed are those that question whether MJ is the best coach we could get to prepare the team for league 1 football. Nope, they are the ones who so easily jump at MJ the moment things start to go wrong and need to find a simple and convenient scapegoat that fits their already blinkered and dim outlook!
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Post by gainsparkshrew on May 2, 2016 10:58:53 GMT 1
I recall that a lot of the guys who came in after our relegation where quoted as saying " I spoke to Mike Jackson and he sold me the club" or something similar.
I always had the feeling that MJ did the groundwork after the relegation and had players lined up to come in. MM just endorsed MJ suggestions by actually signing the players recommended to him.
Trouble is we are all looking for a scapegoat.With a possibility that MM may leave MJ becomes the fall guy,although our defence does need a severe restructuring as only 9 FL teams have let in more goals than us...and 6 of them have been relegated !
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Post by buryshrew on May 2, 2016 10:59:59 GMT 1
So, the ignorant and misinformed are those that question whether MJ is the best coach we could get to prepare the team for league 1 football. Nope, they are the ones who so easily jump at MJ the moment things start to go wrong and need to find a simple and convenient scapegoat that fits their already blinkered and dim outlook! Fair enough, don't disagree with that, but I do genuinely think that given some of our displays this season, and the way we have so frequently looked dis-organised, ill disciplined and not been able to even do the simple things consistently, it's not unreasonable to question why. And at some point the question has to be asked, just what do they do in the 5 days prior to the match if they then play like 11 total strangers on the Saturday? I don't think it's scapegoating to suggest that the coaching has to come under the spotlight. -By the way, that means MM's coaching as well as MJ's.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 11:05:49 GMT 1
Nope, they are the ones who so easily jump at MJ the moment things start to go wrong and need to find a simple and convenient scapegoat that fits their already blinkered and dim outlook! Fair enough, don't disagree with that, but I do genuinely think that given some of our displays this season, and the way we have so frequently looked dis-organised, ill disciplined and not been able to even do the simple things consistently, it's not unreasonable to question why. And at some point the question has to be asked, just what do they do in the 5 days prior to the match if they then play like 11 total strangers on the Saturday? I don't think it's scapegoating to suggest that the coaching has to come under the spotlight. -By the way, that means MM's coaching as well as MJ's. I agree, question whatever you like, but there is a massive difference between intelligent discourse and some of the bitter nasty s**te some come out with on here!
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Post by davycrockett on May 2, 2016 11:08:04 GMT 1
Isnt it funny, weve had a bad season and people look for a scapegoat. Not many moans about his credentials in our last 2 promotion seasons. Who's looking for a scapegoat? The OP asked a question which I suggest means he hasn't a problem with MJ and others have answered his question...., no ones been too critical of him on this thread and most support him but as a critique why has our defence been so bad this season in particular, as a defender you'd think he'd be involved in recruitment and training in this area An interesting statistic that we actually scored more goals than Burton this season yet conceded more than double their goals against total so our problems have definitely been defensive... also so why does RW think so much of him? He seems untouchable...
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 2, 2016 11:38:25 GMT 1
From what people have said on here I've heard that he's not exactly one to get on with players. Going back a bit he had a bust up with the now Chelsea reserve Michael Hector which apparently came to blows and people more in the know than me have said past players found him difficult. When you are coaching a side it's important to have the support of players, in Jacko's case it may well be this that lets him down. Also some of the signings he's recommended like bringing Sadler back this season have been awful, not to mention how defences he's organised as a former defender have been dreadful. Sadler hasn't been awful IMHO. Gave 4 goals away Saturday none his fault as far as I can remember
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Post by shrewforever on May 2, 2016 12:08:41 GMT 1
I blame Whitters...........
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Post by wakemanender on May 2, 2016 16:12:37 GMT 1
I am a gate steward at the Meadow on match days and Mike Jackson never waves when he drives into the ground. I don't think therefore that he is a good assistant manager. It doesn't matter to me about his coaching abilities. Ken Dodd once came to the Meadow to watch a game before appearing at Theatre Severn. He waved and stopped for a chat so I think he would be a good choice to assist MM if he stays.
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