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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 30, 2016 18:28:14 GMT 1
Leutwiler
Burton
Rowley
Knight-Percival
Smith
Brown
Mangan
Every Juan else out of contract released. Those with a contract, free to talk to other clubs.
This season in the league has been pants.
The end.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 30, 2016 18:29:30 GMT 1
Does anyone know where Leuts was today?
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Post by mattmw on Apr 30, 2016 18:32:21 GMT 1
Does anyone know where Leuts was today? He was named on the original team sheet Stuart Dunn put up on Twitter so assume he got injured in the warm up Hope he stays or it would be a rather disappointing way for him to say good bye
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 30, 2016 19:11:46 GMT 1
Thanks
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Post by northwestman on Apr 30, 2016 19:24:12 GMT 1
Leutwiler
Burton
Rowley
Knight-Percival
Smith
Brown
Mangan
Every Juan else out of contract released. Those with a contract, free to talk to other clubs.
This season in the league has been pants.
The end. I'd keep Agogo as well and offer a 1 year deal to JLAA.
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 30, 2016 19:36:26 GMT 1
Halstead drove into the Meadow car park for todays game eating a large pie clearly not expecting to play
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Post by callum on Apr 30, 2016 19:44:38 GMT 1
I'd keep Black, gives us some bite in midfield. I noticed when the other players were celebrating the equaliser he was urging them to get back and going again.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 30, 2016 20:14:40 GMT 1
Please try and sign Grimmer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 21:03:25 GMT 1
Please try and sign Grimmer. I'd be ok with that but would prefer Cole.
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Post by lenny on Apr 30, 2016 21:08:24 GMT 1
Ogogo is still under contract, as is Black who have both been mentioned. Dom signed a two year deal only a month or so back, so is also under contract, and Mangan signed an 18 month deal I believe so he, too, is here.
The players I believe to be out of contract:
Loots Halstead Burton NKP Brown Whitbread Grandison Clark JLAA Vernon Demetriou Grandin (ha)
I'd release Grandison, Whitbread, Vernon, Demetriou and Grandin (those last three are all nailed on certainties). Clark, Brown and JLAA I think are probably worth another year and NKP/Loots obviously worth two year deals but may well choose to go. Halstead/Burton I'd be happy to keep as backup. From the contracted players, I'd allow Collins and Barnett to leave provided that we don't have to pay any settlements, although I'd be open to keeping one around. Sadler and Tootle, also - but we would have to expect the pair of them to still be with us next season and, especially given the fact Sadler seems to have done OK over the last few games, it's not really the end of the world. Hope a breather and good pre-season does the pair of them some good.
Assuming all those players re-sign (big if) and both Collins and Barnett leave, we have a decent core of players who have played together. What we need is to bring in a handful of good quality players to bolster the side and to make sure the spirit and togetherness from the promotion season can be rekindled. That's the key to pushing on - making the most of the players we've got. Are Burton that far ahead of us, man to man? Not necessarily - it's partly that but it's partly how their group has been managed and how their side has set up that's made them so successful.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 30, 2016 21:13:59 GMT 1
I'd give Clark another year - think he still has something to offer and doubt he commands a huge wage.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 30, 2016 21:17:48 GMT 1
Proven league 1 is what we need to bolster the squad. Someone like Novak at Chesterfield who's on loan from Birmingham.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 30, 2016 21:36:29 GMT 1
What does Grandin look like.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 30, 2016 22:21:02 GMT 1
There's very few that are of L1 quality perhaps: Leutwiler NKP Black Agogo
Also keep Smith but he's not of L1 standard yet. I've not seen enough of Wesoloski over two seasons to properly judge. I wouldn't worry if the rest went really but then again not sure who we'd replace them with.
Have we actually got a single player in our massive squad who could perform at the top end of this division? (Loots is the only one who comes close).
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Post by mattmw on Apr 30, 2016 22:57:29 GMT 1
What we definitely can't afford next season is to have a significant percentage of the squad not featuring in many games
In cases like Weseloski that has been down to injuries but in other cases we've had 6-7 players in the squad not playing due to rather unknown reasons - that's not a good use of what are clearly fairly tight financial resources
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Post by lenny on Apr 30, 2016 23:17:04 GMT 1
There's very few that are of L1 quality perhaps: Leutwiler NKP Black Agogo Also keep Smith but he's not of L1 standard yet. I've not seen enough of Wesoloski over two seasons to properly judge. I wouldn't worry if the rest went really but then again not sure who we'd replace them with. Have we actually got a single player in our massive squad who could perform at the top end of this division? (Loots is the only one who comes close). In which case MM is a tactical genius, keeping us up with such a weak squad.
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Post by victorsboots on Apr 30, 2016 23:23:47 GMT 1
I'd keep Black, gives us some bite in midfield. I noticed when the other players were celebrating the equaliser he was urging them to get back and going again. What a thick player Black is He could be so good but is too busy taking his studs into opposition players. Come on Ian you are better than being just a kicker.
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Post by Bayston Hill Shrew on Apr 30, 2016 23:58:23 GMT 1
To Quote Mellon today to survive in League one you need league one players seaks volumes
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 1, 2016 15:37:32 GMT 1
What we definitely can't afford next season is to have a significant percentage of the squad not featuring in many games In cases like Weseloski that has been down to injuries but in other cases we've had 6-7 players in the squad not playing due to rather unknown reasons - that's not a good use of what are clearly fairly tight financial resources Good point One of the reasons I'm not in favour of keeping Mellon is due to this. He moans about not having the resources yet he's signed on numerous players, probably on decent wages who rarely feature or who get dropped and disappear - Clark for example seems to do well then gets dropped and disappears, Grandin hasn't actually featured in the months he's been here, no-one knows what has happened to Tootle, Barnett was rarely used and loaned out, even the new signing Wellens has hardly featured.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:54:23 GMT 1
What we definitely can't afford next season is to have a significant percentage of the squad not featuring in many games In cases like Weseloski that has been down to injuries but in other cases we've had 6-7 players in the squad not playing due to rather unknown reasons - that's not a good use of what are clearly fairly tight financial resources Good point One of the reasons I'm not in favour of keeping Mellon is due to this. He moans about not having the resources yet he's signed on numerous players, probably on decent wages who rarely feature or who get dropped and disappear - Clark for example seems to do well then gets dropped and disappears, Grandin hasn't actually featured in the months he's been here, no-one knows what has happened to Tootle, Barnett was rarely used and loaned out, even the new signing Wellens has hardly featured. On paper Mellon had a squad of 30 players to choose from, 5 more players than Burton, 6 more than Walsall. Too many to all sense and purposes, as with the case of Grandin for example. Doesn't figure but must still must be getting paid, even if it's not a lot and do we pay Scott Vernon a decent package just to push the shopping trolley around on a Saturday afternoon? And what of Anderson and Jones? If they've been given professional contracts then can they not make it to the bench once in a while for a league game? Also, having too many loan players for the match day squad. Whatever the size of the budget we must have a squad of quality not quantity next season. If it means running with a smaller squad than this season then so be it, other clubs do it and successfully so why not us?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:56:08 GMT 1
Based on these players being out of contract:
Loots - try and keep but suspect he will be off Halstead - let go Burton - keep NKP - keep Brown - maybe a one year deal but he really should be no more than a squad player Whitbread - let go Grandison - let go Clark - keep JLAA - let go Vernon - let go Demetriou - let go Grandin - let go
The one thing that has made me laugh is the amount of people complaining that there will be lots of comings and goings in the summer, would they prefer that we kept the majority of this squad?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 17:11:36 GMT 1
Based on these players being out of contract: Loots - try and keep but suspect he will be off Halstead - let go Burton - keep NKP - keep Brown - maybe a one year deal but he really should be no more than a squad player Whitbread - let go Grandison - let go Clark - keep JLAA - let go Vernon - let go Demetriou - let go Grandin - let go The one thing that has made me laugh is the amount of people complaining that there will be lots of comings and goings in the summer, would they prefer that we kept the majority of this squad? Add Caton - let go, Rowley and Anderson - keep and Weso keep assuming he's not kept via his option, then I agree with that list.
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Post by twentysix on May 1, 2016 18:10:44 GMT 1
Interesting to see the fans want Clark in the main to stay but MM doesn't even see him worthy of a place in the bench. I know what I'd do if I were Clark .........
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2016 18:19:54 GMT 1
Based on these players being out of contract: Loots - try and keep but suspect he will be off Halstead - let go Burton - keep NKP - keep Brown - maybe a one year deal but he really should be no more than a squad player Whitbread - let go Grandison - let go Clark - keep JLAA - let go Vernon - let go Demetriou - let go Grandin - let go The one thing that has made me laugh is the amount of people complaining that there will be lots of comings and goings in the summer, would they prefer that we kept the majority of this squad? Add Caton - let go, Rowley and Anderson - keep and Weso keep assuming he's not kept via his option, then I agree with that list. I'd offer JLAA a 1 year contract as he's a very useful squad player. No point whatsoever in keeping Clark if he's never going to play him.
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Post by Scarecrow on May 1, 2016 23:41:40 GMT 1
I think it's best to work from a formation and decide who is want in my starting 11 and bench after this season. I think we should revert back to the formation that made us so successful next season. 3-5-2
GK - Leutwiler (2 year deal offer. Best GK at the club and hasn't let us down all season)
CB - Smith (2 year deal offer. Done more than enough this season to prove he deserves a place in the team and can develop. One to sell on next year then)
CB - Whitbread (1 year deal offer. Certainly not been the best defender we've had all season but to be fair to the lad he didn't have a preseason and has looked like he's struggled to catch up. He has pedigree and has played at the very top so his experience could be vital there and I'd consider maybe handing him the armband. I don't think it's worth gambling with a second year, if he struggles then we can part ways at the end of next season.)
CB - NKP (2 year deal offer. Fantastic player and leader. Most consistent player whose proven himself at this level this season. I'll be gutted if he leaves.)
LWB - New player (Solid left wing back)
RWB - New player (Solid right wing back)
CDM - Welowski (1 year deal. If he's proven he's fit in training this guy deserves another year in the heart of the midfield. He can pass and pull strings but also tackle. He's played at this level before and I think we've missed him all season. To come back in the league against Sheffield United and be so composed proves to me he's worth retaining for another year
CM - Ogogo (Already under contract. While not having the greatest season he's done relatively okay. I still think he's adjusting to the league and that next season if Weso can hold down the centre doing the dirty stuff it'll allow Ogogo to get further forward and he's shown he's got more than enough to pack a punch shooting. A more free role could help him become a real link as well as endure he can put a foot in when need be.)
CAM - New player. (While Clarke has done well as indeed as Whalley I can't see them being tricky enough to perform consistently. If we are going to spend some money on contracts it would be worth putting some of it in this area.)
ST - Mangan (Proven goal scorer if given the right service I think he could easily get 10-15 goals next season with a good preseason behind him and a quick get off the mark. He's a poacher and a good one at that.)
ST - New player (I think Barnett will leave but we need a league 1 striker whose plied his trade in this league for some time, he doesn't necessarily be the most prolific. I think we need some league 1 experience, all season we've been screaming out for a goal threat and been too toothless.)
Subs Burton (Offer 2 year contract. Time for the young lad to step up and be understudy. Halstead's the wrong side of age imo and that counts against retaining him over Burton.)
Brown (Under contract. Done okay this season but more of a squad player if we want to push on.)
New defender (Centre back of some kind)
Black (Under contract. Good at shutting the game down but for me Weso has more to his game so he pips him to the first team is place)
Whalley (Under contract. Great impact sub. Need I say more?)
Youth place on bench (Eg Anderson. With such a promising youth team I expect to see one or two break through)
New striker (General Striker)
RETAIN NONE STARTING 18 Collins (Under contract. Doubt we can shift) AA (Worth another 1 year deal as a squad player. He is what he is. Not prolific but worth retaining as an option) Wellens (Under contract. Unlikely they'll be any takers) Tootle (Under contract. If he manages to sort out his personal problems and gets fit could be an interesting one to watch)
TRANSFERED OUT Barnett (Doesn't want to be here. Southend seem to want him) Sadler (League 2. Find his level)
RELEASED Halstead Dementriou Grandison Grandin Clarke Vernon
So 4 in 6 out then
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 2, 2016 6:17:37 GMT 1
Here's mine...
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Post by percy on May 2, 2016 9:04:56 GMT 1
We need wingers if we are going to play 442, wing backs if we are going to play 532, strikers whatever formation we play.
Hopefully Leutwiler, Burton and NKP will sign up on 2 year contracts
Black, Whalley, Smith, Mangan and Agogo are already signed up (weso also has an option which I presume he'll take up).
Let everyone else go, or (if under contract) go on frees if they can find someone interested.
I still cannot believe we are stuck with Wellens for next year - what was the thought process there ?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 9:13:22 GMT 1
We need wingers if we are going to play 442, wing backs if we are going to play 532, strikers whatever formation we play. Hopefully Leutwiler, Burton and NKP will sign up on 2 year contracts Black, Whalley, Smith, Mangan and Agogo are already signed up (weso also has an option which I presume he'll take up). Let everyone else go, or (if under contract) go on frees if they can find someone interested. I still cannot believe we are stuck with Wellens for next year - what was the thought process there ? I think the Wellens thing is a bit like Lawrence. Maybe we negotiated reduced wages by giving him the security of a longer contract. But the issue is whether he can keep fit enough during his twilight years. I think his Ryan Woods- type quality on the ball is there for all to see and something we definitely need going forward. Let's see how he looks after pre-season before writing him off.
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Post by shrewblue on May 2, 2016 9:23:11 GMT 1
I think that is a fair and balanced comment Paul.. a good pre season may make the world of difference to Ritchie Wellens fitness and contribution!
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