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Post by mattmw on Sept 12, 2015 13:48:44 GMT 1
Possibly a tad unrealistic but could there be an opportunity for the club to work with Shrewsbury rugby and cricket clubs to develop a multi sport training centre somewhere on the outskirts of town? Possibly more change of getting grant funding for it if it's not just for football and has wider community benefits
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 13, 2015 10:33:55 GMT 1
It's a shame training facilities were not included when the new stadium was built with all the spare land around it. Room for a second "show" pitch for reserves/youth/ladies matches, indoor all weather facilities etc and everything would have been on a single site.
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Post by Dale on Sept 13, 2015 21:58:09 GMT 1
An indoor weather pitch could be built on the spare area of land next to the Power League, but I did hear a rumour a few weeks back that Power League's lease is to expire next year and they may not renew it, if that was the case it could give the club even more room to expand their own training facilities on site and maybe hire out 3G pitches to the public for the evenings as Power League do now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:36:50 GMT 1
An indoor weather pitch could be built on the spare area of land next to the Power League, but I did hear a rumour a few weeks back that Power League's lease is to expire next year and they may not renew it, if that was the case it could give the club even more room to expand their own training facilities on site and maybe hire out 3G pitches to the public for the evenings as Power League do now. I heard similar and Power League approached the council to take up the last year of their lease but we're declined. Power League are not losing money but the profit is very minimal !
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 15, 2015 10:18:17 GMT 1
Wasn't it a condition of the new ground to have community facilities/pitches and the club got round this by the deal with Powerleague
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:49:32 GMT 1
Wasn't it a condition of the new ground to have community facilities/pitches and the club got round this by the deal with Powerleague Yes.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Dec 17, 2015 14:12:15 GMT 1
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Post by suttonshrew on Dec 17, 2015 14:18:03 GMT 1
Have to feel for the manager when he's struggling for places to train!! but this isn't as simple as upgrading our training ground. This land isn't owned by the club, it's owned by the chairman who I trust is doing this for the good of the club...... But what happens when he wants to sell?? We may have spent hundred of thousands of pounds improving land that the club doesn't own.
Yes we need the facility but we also need to know that this is of long term benefit to the club.
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Post by Chic on Dec 17, 2015 14:47:13 GMT 1
Not sure why the investment is going into sundorne!
Thought it was going to improving the training facilities at the New Meadow!
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Post by percy on Dec 17, 2015 14:51:41 GMT 1
Have to feel for the manager when he's struggling for places to train!! but this isn't as simple as upgrading our training ground. This land isn't owned by the club, it's owned by the chairman who I trust is doing this for the good of the club...... But what happens when he wants to sell?? We may have spent hundred of thousands of pounds improving land that the club doesn't own. Yes we need the facility but we also need to know that this is of long term benefit to the club. Is it true that the Sundorne site is owned by Roland and not the club ? The Star says that the club own the site. If the site is owned by Roland and he is steering investment into it from the club (where he does not have 100% ownership) then that would need strong Board participation to distance Roland from the decision making and manage the conflicts of interest to protect the minority shareholders' interests.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 15:13:27 GMT 1
So our much vaunted "Excellent" facilities are not upto scratch? Well I never!
Plus, this talked about plan, basically consists of putting in a changing room, a fence and digging some drainage.
No expanded gym, no indoor training facilities, no sports science facilities.....Whooop deee doooo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 15:15:04 GMT 1
Have to feel for the manager when he's struggling for places to train!! but this isn't as simple as upgrading our training ground. This land isn't owned by the club, it's owned by the chairman who I trust is doing this for the good of the club...... But what happens when he wants to sell?? We may have spent hundred of thousands of pounds improving land that the club doesn't own. Yes we need the facility but we also need to know that this is of long term benefit to the club. Is it true that the Sundorne site is owned by Roland and not the club ? The Star says that the club own the site. Shropshire star in inaccurate reporting shocker!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 15:20:43 GMT 1
"And an old sports pavilion will be refurbished with new dressing rooms, toilets and a meeting area"
So an old shed gets a lick of paint, some plumbing and the players can meet in a hallway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 15:25:17 GMT 1
Have to feel for the manager when he's struggling for places to train!! but this isn't as simple as upgrading our training ground. This land isn't owned by the club, it's owned by the chairman who I trust is doing this for the good of the club...... But what happens when he wants to sell?? We may have spent hundred of thousands of pounds improving land that the club doesn't own. Yes we need the facility but we also need to know that this is of long term benefit to the club. Is it true that the Sundorne site is owned by Roland and not the club ? The Star says that the club own the site. If the site is owned by Roland and he is steering investment into it from the club (where he does not have 100% ownership) then that would need strong Board participation to distance Roland from the decision making and manage the conflicts of interest to protect the minority shareholders' interests....... Should be a priority on Shrewstrust agenda to get STFC to clarify who owns this land and any caveats which may impact on the financial security of the club?
Same question could also be asked, should a controlling shareholder (over 50%)pass away, what provisions are in place to protect the financial future of the club bearing in mind we have a 2 man board!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 15:38:36 GMT 1
Is it true that the Sundorne site is owned by Roland and not the club ? The Star says that the club own the site. If the site is owned by Roland and he is steering investment into it from the club (where he does not have 100% ownership) then that would need strong Board participation to distance Roland from the decision making and manage the conflicts of interest to protect the minority shareholders' interests....... Should be a priority on Shrewstrust agenda to get STFC to clarify who owns this land and any caveats which may impact on the financial security of the club?
Same question could also be asked, should a controlling shareholder (over 50%)pass away, what provisions are in place to protect the financial future of the club bearing in mind we have a 2 man board!
And in reality that second man on the board is VERY rarely heard of or seen....
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Post by mattmw on Dec 17, 2015 18:32:45 GMT 1
I know planting and getting drainage right for pitches is not cheap, but this seems a relatively conservative project with not much chance for the club to earn extra income by hiring out the facility. Also doesn't seem to include an all weather pitch
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Post by venceremos on Dec 17, 2015 19:22:50 GMT 1
Not being players or coaches we're unlikely to get too excited about training facilities but I imagine it's a big thing if that's your daily place of work. If this is done properly, the benefits should be felt for years to come, so should be a far better investment than chancing the available cash on a couple of players and a short term boost.
If the club owns Sundorne then fine, it gets the benefit. If it doesn't, then the question is how the investment will be structured - a loan, or could it be repaying money Wycherley has previously put into the club? However, I don't really see any great financial benefit for whoever owns the land - its value is surely in potential future development and that would mean ripping up any training ground infrastructure.
There are questions for the SP to ask, certainly, but I don't see a conflict of interest, provided everything is done on arm's length terms if the club doesn't own Sundorne. Than again, if it doesn't own Sundorne, does it pay a commercial rent for the facility? It works both ways.
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Post by callum on Dec 17, 2015 19:36:42 GMT 1
Notice Jackson slyly looking at Mellon!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 19:59:32 GMT 1
Jesus Christ chaps, lighten up. Why the hell does every bit of information need to be micro analysed and ripped apart shred by shred to try and uncover some kind of sinister undertone or plot. Do any of you know the meaning of the phrase "face value".
The club are investing in improved training facilities. Not only good for improving our squad but also good for recruitment which can do nothing but good for our future.
Well done Town!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:04:51 GMT 1
Jesus Christ chaps, lighten up. Why the hell does every bit of information need to be micro analysed and ripped apart shred by shred to try and uncover some kind of sinister undertone or plot. Do any of you know the meaning of the phrase "face value". The club are investing in improved training facilities. Not only good for improving our squad but also good for recruitment which can do nothing but good for our future. Well done Town! Because when we were told in the summer that we would be re-investing in the clubs training facilities it would be something grander than some paint, plumbing and draining! All on property that the club may or may not even own! Once again we seem to be doing things very half heartedly! How much would an basic indoor/all weather pitch cost or an improved gym comapred to the small one we have at the ground? These "Excellent" facilities we are meant to have really aren't coming to the fore here......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:08:17 GMT 1
Really disappointed - just feels like there is very little momentum at the club, especially as Mr Williams is leaving.
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Post by theriverside on Dec 17, 2015 20:39:18 GMT 1
It will cost quite a bit to get the pitch work done.............I was involved in organising the refurb of a Sunday League pitch almost 20 years ago - a very basic 'no frills' job which actually ended up having minimal impact in improving the drainage That cost over £8000 back then. I'd expect now a proper job on the whole Sundorne set up will involve adding a zero to that figure - add in the other work and it's a fair amount of cash involved.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 17, 2015 22:18:09 GMT 1
Jesus Christ chaps, lighten up. Why the hell does every bit of information need to be micro analysed and ripped apart shred by shred to try and uncover some kind of sinister undertone or plot. Do any of you know the meaning of the phrase "face value". The club are investing in improved training facilities. Not only good for improving our squad but also good for recruitment which can do nothing but good for our future. Well done Town! Because when we were told in the summer that we would be re-investing in the clubs training facilities it would be something grander than some paint, plumbing and draining! All on property that the club may or may not even own! Once again we seem to be doing things very half heartedly! How much would an basic indoor/all weather pitch cost or an improved gym comapred to the small one we have at the ground? These "Excellent" facilities we are meant to have really aren't coming to the fore here...... Have you had much building work done lately? Just wondering ... We didn't get silly money for Goldson and Woods.
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Post by mattmw on Dec 18, 2015 0:01:46 GMT 1
Thinking about it the Sundorne area is already quite well served by commercial sports pitches and gyms so perhaps there isn't the commercial market to do more with the redesign of the training facilities.
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Post by callum on Dec 18, 2015 0:28:16 GMT 1
Reported today that Burton are spending 1 million on an indoor training pitch. Puts our refurbishment into perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 0:39:14 GMT 1
Because when we were told in the summer that we would be re-investing in the clubs training facilities it would be something grander than some paint, plumbing and draining! All on property that the club may or may not even own! Once again we seem to be doing things very half heartedly! How much would an basic indoor/all weather pitch cost or an improved gym comapred to the small one we have at the ground? These "Excellent" facilities we are meant to have really aren't coming to the fore here...... Have you had much building work done lately? Just wondering ... We didn't get silly money for Goldson and Woods. No, but we did get the best part of a million for each........Plus the six figure fees for Lewis and Ginnelly. The way I was spun this would be that we would be getting an marked development in training facilities....this just sounds like more of what we already have rather than progress as such, an all weather pitch would be a start or very basic floodlights, not living locally I'm not familiar with the Sundorne site, but assume its not floodlit. Not expecting St Georges Park. Just always feels like we sell ourselves short. Just feels like another chance to progress is passing us by... IF the Sundorne site is to be used for the youth sides as well then would we be eligable for extra funding? If Crewe can build a modern youth acadamey (an investment which has kept the club afloat) then why can't we?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 0:41:20 GMT 1
Reported today that Burton are spending 1 million on an indoor training pitch. Puts our refurbishment into perspective. Guess thats what you get for having a board that consists of more than just a Chairman and a chap who is doing a good impersanation of the invisable man....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 9:51:06 GMT 1
Reported today that Burton are spending 1 million on an indoor training pitch. Puts our refurbishment into perspective. Guess thats what you get for having a board that consists of more than just a Chairman and a chap who is doing a good impersanation of the invisable man....
Don't Burton use the nice shiny FA facilities for a mediocre sum?
Glad the Town are seeing the bigger picture here and improving the training ground. Burtons success closely correlates with the use of St Georges park.
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 18, 2015 10:37:28 GMT 1
We've already got an all weather traing pitch behind the S stand why not an inflatable cover like at TCAT so it can be used all year and even hired out?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 11:01:51 GMT 1
I believe there are some limitations to the Sundorne site such as the overhead power cables which limit the ability to build floodlights etc
The upgrade of the facilities sound sensible to me.
I don't think there would be any value in building something that could be rented out - there's already enough under utilised sporting venues in Shrewsbury as it is.
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