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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 5, 2015 12:08:47 GMT 1
Quite concerned about our so called lack of money/search for investors line atm, and I'm convinced that the much heralded "Project" that MM & MW used to talk about, and obviously RW had bought into, in their early days has stalled. Although it was never fully explained what the idea was,I have assumed that it ran along the lines of -: - Sell Jon Taylor-Achieved but I'm also convinced that we got Barnett at a knock down price in January because Posh didn't have the cash for the last installment payment because they hadn't received the last payment from Nottingham Forest for Brit Assambalonga because Forest had cash flow problems at the time
- Use money from sale to bring in decent players to get us out of L2 and then review the squads strengths and weaknesses at the end of the season and make adjustments as necessary- very much achieved
- Sell either Woods or Goldson and use some of the money to invest in L1 players as well as replenish the fast reducing war chest that RW frequently comments about- Big problem. No sign of a sale, hence looking for new investment and trawling the available free transfer market.
Anyone got thoughts on this ? I accept that we have a much stronger squad than when we went up last time under GT, but the sound bites coming out of The Meadow are starting to sound a bit desperate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:15:51 GMT 1
Quite concerned about our so called lack of money/search for investors line atm, and I'm convinced that the much heralded "Project" that MM & MW used to talk about, and obviously RW had bought into, in their early days has stalled. Although it was never fully explained what the idea was,I have assumed that it ran along the lines of -: - Sell Jon Taylor-Achieved but I'm also convinced that we got Barnett at a knock down price in January because Posh didn't have the cash for the last installment payment because they hadn't received the last payment from Nottingham Forest for Brit Assambalonga because Forest had cash flow problems at the time
- Use money from sale to bring in decent players to get us out of L2 and then review the squads strengths and weaknesses at the end of the season and make adjustments as necessary- very much achieved
- Sell either Woods or Goldson and use some of the money to invest in L1 players as well as replenish the fast reducing war chest that RW frequently comments about- Big problem. No sign of a sale, hence looking for new investment and trawling the available free transfer market.
Anyone got thoughts on this ? I accept that we have a much stronger squad than when we went up last time under GT, but the sound bites coming out of The Meadow are starting to sound a bit desperate
So because you have assumed something, its obviously hit a brick wall?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:17:35 GMT 1
I never trust what football clubs say and actually what happens, I wait until it happens first, and still doubt that we will still have Goldson and Woods by the start of the season.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2015 12:20:58 GMT 1
Well. Circumstantial evidence suggests that the fact that we've had a Board of 2 for quite some time ever since Sayfritz left means that perhaps RW likes things to remain as they are at Boardroom level.
Unfortunately, if that is the case, it also limits our ability to attract potential investors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:23:02 GMT 1
Getting people to invest when a control freak holds the reigns is very difficult, but would not impact that much on transfer dealings
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Post by onthepitch on Jul 5, 2015 12:23:30 GMT 1
Anything you set out to achieve, especially on this scale will have it's ups and downs. Though I'm not sure this is a down?
The FFP restrictions are possibly not helping us, but I'm not sure why some people think a more canny/honest approach = failure?
The squad we have is full of quality in just about every position, it is now about squeezing the most out of what remains of the budget... Seems like good management to me?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2015 12:31:04 GMT 1
Getting people to invest when a control freak holds the reigns is very difficult, but would not impact that much on transfer dealings That is a rather more direct comment than mine, but the substance is the same.
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Post by buryshrew on Jul 5, 2015 12:37:08 GMT 1
Any 'project' will present challenges. I can't really see how the club could have achieved more or improved more in the single year that the current management team have been in place. Developing revenue streams and growing the supporter base and attendance are surely not aims that you'd expect to see huge leaps of progress in yet?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2015 12:43:33 GMT 1
Any 'project' will present challenges. I can't really see how the club could have achieved more or improved more in the single year that the current management team have been in place. Developing revenue streams and growing the supporter base and attendance are surely not aims that you'd expect to see huge leaps of progress in yet? I see that Bury F.C. have introduced an interesting revenue stream by allowing individuals to lease car parking spaces outside the ground for 10k for 10 years, with the Club reserving the right to buy the space back at short notice if required in case they need the land to build on in the future! www.burytimes.co.uk/news/11496724.Bury_FC_car_park_spaces_to_rent_at_10_000__each/
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 5, 2015 12:54:54 GMT 1
Quite concerned about our so called lack of money/search for investors line atm, and I'm convinced that the much heralded "Project" that MM & MW used to talk about, and obviously RW had bought into, in their early days has stalled. Although it was never fully explained what the idea was,I have assumed that it ran along the lines of -: - Sell Jon Taylor-Achieved but I'm also convinced that we got Barnett at a knock down price in January because Posh didn't have the cash for the last installment payment because they hadn't received the last payment from Nottingham Forest for Brit Assambalonga because Forest had cash flow problems at the time
- Use money from sale to bring in decent players to get us out of L2 and then review the squads strengths and weaknesses at the end of the season and make adjustments as necessary- very much achieved
- Sell either Woods or Goldson and use some of the money to invest in L1 players as well as replenish the fast reducing war chest that RW frequently comments about- Big problem. No sign of a sale, hence looking for new investment and trawling the available free transfer market.
Anyone got thoughts on this ? I accept that we have a much stronger squad than when we went up last time under GT, but the sound bites coming out of The Meadow are starting to sound a bit desperate
So because you have assumed something, its obviously hit a brick wall? ...that's the whole point of the post...I am assuming and looking for peoples comments...hence " Anyone got any thoughts on this ?"...it's not rocket science
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Post by colaboy on Jul 5, 2015 13:04:33 GMT 1
My thoughts are..
What a load of bollox!
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Post by buryshrew on Jul 5, 2015 13:59:06 GMT 1
Any 'project' will present challenges. I can't really see how the club could have achieved more or improved more in the single year that the current management team have been in place. Developing revenue streams and growing the supporter base and attendance are surely not aims that you'd expect to see huge leaps of progress in yet? I see that Bury F.C. have introduced an interesting revenue stream by allowing individuals to lease car parking spaces outside the ground for 10k for 10 years, with the Club reserving the right to buy the space back at short notice if required in case they need the land to build on in the future! www.burytimes.co.uk/news/11496724.Bury_FC_car_park_spaces_to_rent_at_10_000__each/Yep, haven't heard a great deal about the take-up though!
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 5, 2015 14:10:19 GMT 1
No way has "this project" hit a brick wall!
The Woods and Goldson aspect could be MM and MW putting faith in the tribunal system that we will get a decent amount for them.
Keeping the spine of the squad from last year was the key thing this summer and we look set to do that.
I personally think that this is a bit of a game played by Mellon. We were splashing the cash last summer so I suspect agents are asking us for high demands. "We can't do that this year, we are close to our FFP limit sorry, you have to lower your demands".
I also see it as pressure being applied to Vernon to move on.
Our squad on paper looks very strong, we just need that striker to come in now and it will be complete.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:13:25 GMT 1
My thoughts are that I can't wait for the season to start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:18:21 GMT 1
Rome wasn't built in a day.
I want to see progressive, organic growth for our club rather than see us mortgaged up to the hilt in order to get potential quick success. Note I say potential. Bury for example may be splashing the cash at the moment but as we all know throwing money about isn't always a sure fire guarantee of success.
As a supporter I am more than happy with where we are at the moment, I really feel that we have a solid squad already for next season and all done within the FFP limit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:22:26 GMT 1
And Bournemouth are buying Charlie Austin for £14m on crowds of 12k
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:39:58 GMT 1
My thoughts are that its the same as the last time we got promoted from a financial perspective. With a ground that is not creating the revenue steams it was hoped and a two man board who arent willing to invest more capital then I don't see anything changing. It reminds me of Telford getting into the conference and they realise they financially can't complete with many clubs so the obvious answer is looking for other investment.
I think we are lucky to have Matt Williams who will be trying to create money in many ways as possible, the other thing we should perhaps hope for is a ridiculous bid for the likes of Woods or Goldson.
The key thing for us is becoming an established L1 side for a number of years, at that point we may start to attract better players, not from a financial perspective but because they wont be reluctant to come here thinking we could be looking at a relegation battle
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Post by shrewder on Jul 5, 2015 16:40:32 GMT 1
Brick wall, what brick wall?!!!
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Post by MartinB on Jul 5, 2015 16:46:08 GMT 1
This seems very much like a "there isn't a game to either moan about or go over the top about" so got to post something thread
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2015 19:50:44 GMT 1
This seems very much like a "there isn't a game to either moan about or go over the top about" so got to post something thread Not so Martin. Refer to a number of my earlier posts and you'll find comments about my concerns about having a 2 man Board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 19:57:28 GMT 1
The concerns about a two man board have been raised for a number of seasons. Since Sayfritz left in fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 20:04:57 GMT 1
The sAle of Connor has already been agreed. But it's hush hush.....
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 5, 2015 20:29:50 GMT 1
Things at the club have changed beyond recognition over the last 15 months. So much to be positive about over that period. It is disconcerting however to hear MM's frustration when discussing budget. Surely MM knew what budget restraints would be placed on him after last season's splurge?
This season MM will be in charge of a club for the first time without having one of the best budget and players in the division. Brave New World for Paisley's finest.
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Post by Dale on Jul 5, 2015 21:10:32 GMT 1
What's the big panic? I think people have to realise that we are jumping from a reasonably big and successful fish in League 2 to a much, much smaller fish in League 1 and in reality our 'natural position' is probably a bottom half League 1 club... I've always been a massive fan of GT but I feel MM will be better prepared for this division than we were three years ago and I don't think RW will want lightning to strike twice... I'd like to think he will provide the funds for the right player should he become available but not at all costs! (eg Bury)
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Post by Dale on Jul 5, 2015 21:13:31 GMT 1
The sAle of Connor has already been agreed. But it's hush hush..... Would this lead to the possibility of Grandison staying then? If Goldson goes then Grandison has to stay methinks... if Goldson stays then I think we will be alright in the defensive department.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 5, 2015 21:15:52 GMT 1
Did we really use the p-word? Hope not, that's always a bad sign.
We got promoted straight away, we have a good squad and just need another striker with a month to go before the season starts and we have some good young players who will either bring us some cash when they leave this summer or stay and keep the squad looking decent.
Should I be worried?
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Post by venceremos on Jul 5, 2015 21:17:01 GMT 1
The sAle of Connor has already been agreed. But it's hush hush..... Would this lead to the possibility of Grandison staying then? If Goldson goes then Grandison has to stay methinks... if Goldson stays then I think we will be alright in the defensive department. Don't think it's our choice with Grandison though - out of contract.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2015 21:19:36 GMT 1
The concerns about a two man board have been raised for a number of seasons. Since Sayfritz left in fact. There was a fairly strong rumour going around at the time that Sayfritz left because of a serious disagreement with RW as to the size of the playing budget provided for League 1.
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Post by jamo on Jul 5, 2015 22:11:55 GMT 1
Given the fact that this time last year we didn't have a project the fact that the current one is apparently hitting a wall is progress of sorts.
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Post by siabod on Jul 5, 2015 22:50:54 GMT 1
And Bournemouth are buying Charlie Austin for £14m on crowds of 12k That doesn't in any way have a bearing on STFCs situation.
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