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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 23:03:22 GMT 1
I am sure that RW will do everything he can, save bankrupting the club , to ensure that we stay in League 1 . We may not be as competitive in this League as some had hoped but certainly we should do enough to see us clear of relegation . Is that progress ? Well, yes it is considering our last venture into this League . I would hope that our gate receipts improve but again I fear that being in a promotion spot in League 2 against perhaps being in the bottom half of League 1 will have a massive bearing on our finances in this respect . Do we sell players like Goldson/ Woods to generate a one off bonus in the hope that we can pick up similar players for less money . Personally I think that is wishful thinking . In my view we need to keep our best to provide a platform from which we can build . RW / MM would surely have considered the " what ifs " scenario but that is fine on paper , they are stuck if players for whatever reason don't want to come to us . We then come back to the question of finances , are we offering enough in wages , can we generate enough income and will our gate receipts improve. Let's be honest , we haven't got a massive fan base , gates are not going to improve dramatically and the club isn't going to leap forward unless we have an injection of cash from some benefactor who is willing to buy RW out and provide the funds to make us a real threat in League 1 with a realistic chance of playing in the Championship. Yes , the club has been turned around dramatically over the past 15 months but is that it . Is this the " brick wall " that gainsparkshrew refers to? I don't think the sound bites coming out of the club are desperate , realistically frustrated perhaps with the realisation that this could be as good as it gets for some time. Whether the fans are willing to accept our position is a more worrying question because without their continued support this club could be in some trouble in the not to distant future.
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Post by mattmw on Jul 5, 2015 23:12:14 GMT 1
As positive as last season was I'm not quite sure the "project" has necessarily moved forward that far. Although realistically it was always unlikely too
In Matt Williams we seem to finally have someone attuned to the need to do things in a more business like way, which he has set about doing, but our main income streams remain the gate money; tv income and player transfers.
We've done well on the latter and can potentially get good fees in the future, and tv money has gone up, but basically our income remains that of a lower league one/upper league 2 club, and as such on pitch performances will probably match that
The really big test is how we get significant - six figure or even seven figure - increases in income each year. Only then can we realistically and sustainably move up the leagues
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 5, 2015 23:26:51 GMT 1
Imagine if we signed Lawrence,Weso,NKP,Collins etc in this window, we would all be saying that we are going to give League One a real good go.
We've kept our team together, they have gelled for a year and played some lovely stuff. Our Goalkeeper is superb, the defence conceded the least amount of goals per game out of any team in England, In central midfield we are blessed with talent and we have better options out wide this year. Collins will lead the line well and we only need another striker, which will be signed soon.
It's been pretty unspectacular business but the squad does look stronger.
Cheterfield finished in the play offs and Fleetwood and Rochdale were also close to them following their promotion from League 2.
I am feeling optimistic for next season anyway. Keep up the good work Mellon and Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 23:36:42 GMT 1
Rome wasn't built in a day. I want to see progressive, organic growth for our club rather than see us mortgaged up to the hilt in order to get potential quick success. Note I say potential. Bury for example may be splashing the cash at the moment but as we all know throwing money about isn't always a sure fire guarantee of success. As a supporter I am more than happy with where we are at the moment, I really feel that we have a solid squad already for next season and all done within the FFP limit. Good post. Every club has their "brick wall" it just depends on what speed you hit it. I also want to see progressive organic growth , but I think some of us have had their heads turned by talk of play- offs and promotion. It would be nice, but if we were to achieve this a season in the Championship, with our support and lack of funds could result in the club making an unwelcome return to League 2 very quickly. We need to stabilise first. Midway in this new League would be good, we get to play bigger clubs and have bigger gates albeit because the away support to our ground would be greater. The club is being run prudently and within the financial restrictions imposed, which in itself should see us grow and maintain a level of growth which is sustainable. No brick wall in my view.
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Post by thesalmon on Jul 6, 2015 9:35:26 GMT 1
Imagine if we signed Lawrence,Weso,NKP,Collins etc in this window, we would all be saying that we are going to give League One a real good go. We've kept our team together, they have gelled for a year and played some lovely stuff. Our Goalkeeper is superb, the defence conceded the least amount of goals per game out of any team in England, In central midfield we are blessed with talent and we have better options out wide this year. Collins will lead the line well and we only need another striker, which will be signed soon. It's been pretty unspectacular business but the squad does look stronger. Cheterfield finished in the play offs and Fleetwood and Rochdale were also close to them following their promotion from League 2. I am feeling optimistic for next season anyway. Keep up the good work Mellon and Williams. Excellent post and one of the most sensible things I've ever read on this forum. A level headed town fan! A rare thing on here
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 6, 2015 9:41:23 GMT 1
Considering we are playing third division football next year I think the 'project' is very much on course at the minute. I really do think it's a bit early to suggest that things are coming apart of the seams just yet. Lets wait for a ball to be kicked before making judgment. And anyhows, I think I prefer the term ceiling to brick wall. As has been mentioned already, I do think that the Town's potential is a little curbed by the potential fan base that it can draw from. We've a 10,000 seater stadium for a reason. With the structure of the club at the minute I think the third division will be the ceiling (and we'll do well to stay at this level). To compete, go higher and consolidate in the 2nd division might be a bit beyond us until we see something like what happened at Posh, Rotherham, Brentford, Bournmouth. As in, someone comes in with a shed load of cash to spend...until then it'll be a hell of a task for us to compete (and I mean really compete) anywhere other than the basement.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 6, 2015 9:54:09 GMT 1
Who called it a "project"?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2015 10:27:48 GMT 1
Considering we are playing third division football next year I think the 'project' is very much on course at the minute. I really do think it's a bit early to suggest that things are coming apart of the seams just yet. Lets wait for a ball to be kicked before making judgment. And anyhows, I think I prefer the term ceiling to brick wall. As has been mentioned already, I do think that the Town's potential is a little curbed by the potential fan base that it can draw from. We've a 10,000 seater stadium for a reason. With the structure of the club at the minute I think the third division will be the ceiling (and we'll do well to stay at this level). To compete, go higher and consolidate in the 2nd division might be a bit beyond us until we see something like what happened at Posh, Rotherham, Brentford, Bournmouth. As in, someone comes in with a shed load of cash to spend...until then it'll be a hell of a task for us to compete (and I mean really compete) anywhere other than the basement. Back to my concerns about a Board of 2 Directors. How hard are we trying to find that someone with 'shedloads of cash to spend'?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 11:20:46 GMT 1
Imagine if we signed Lawrence,Weso,NKP,Collins etc in this window, we would all be saying that we are going to give League One a real good go. We've kept our team together, they have gelled for a year and played some lovely stuff. Our Goalkeeper is superb, the defence conceded the least amount of goals per game out of any team in England, In central midfield we are blessed with talent and we have better options out wide this year. Collins will lead the line well and we only need another striker, which will be signed soon. It's been pretty unspectacular business but the squad does look stronger. Cheterfield finished in the play offs and Fleetwood and Rochdale were also close to them following their promotion from League 2. I am feeling optimistic for next season anyway. Keep up the good work Mellon and Williams. Good post! No brick wall and no sound bites as far as I can see. As far as I'm concerned, the side mm put together last year was a team not just for getting out of league 2 but also to get us going in league one. Many of the players we have who found league 2 tough going will be far more comfortable in league one. Our future has always been a matter of bringing youngsters through and selling high, and with the likes of Lawrence and Weslowski in the squad youngsters have 2 great role models and mentors(on the pitch). We need to stick to the "right dna" principal, and work hard on selling the club and community stuff. The clubs unrecognisable from 18 months ago and with the loggerheads now proudly back in place (washing machine filters) I see no cause for concern.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jul 6, 2015 13:38:25 GMT 1
There is nothing wrong with the squad , or quality of it . On paper anyway . Majority of players all had a payrise in the summer aswell , I don't think our budget is bad !
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 6, 2015 13:45:11 GMT 1
Imagine if we signed Lawrence,Weso,NKP,Collins etc in this window, we would all be saying that we are going to give League One a real good go. We've kept our team together, they have gelled for a year and played some lovely stuff. Our Goalkeeper is superb, the defence conceded the least amount of goals per game out of any team in England, In central midfield we are blessed with talent and we have better options out wide this year. Collins will lead the line well and we only need another striker, which will be signed soon. It's been pretty unspectacular business but the squad does look stronger. Cheterfield finished in the play offs and Fleetwood and Rochdale were also close to them following their promotion from League 2. I am feeling optimistic for next season anyway. Keep up the good work Mellon and Williams. Agreed.
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