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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jun 11, 2015 14:01:04 GMT 1
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 11, 2015 14:27:39 GMT 1
When are Woods and Goldson getting sold?
They are both in the last year of their contracts and we can't risk losing these to a tribunal.
If we do sell them, then we have a minimum of £1 million (hopefully more) coming in which can be invested wisely. If we don't sell then try and extend their contracts by an extra year?
RB and a Winger are what we need and it's great to see Micky going for these.
I'd be disappointed to see Grandison and the youngsters leave. Mangan and Akpa-Akpro will only be back up players next year and Micky is probably thinking he can get in cheaper players that have similar ability.
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 11, 2015 14:31:04 GMT 1
Hmmmm... Should we be concerned?
I don't think we had one of the lowest budgets last time we were in Lg1 did we?
With the recent signings I don't think we really need Grant now, and perhaps Akpro is one striker too many.
If I was MM I'd be after keeping hold of Mango and Grando if possible... Both can come on and turn a game on its head...
Vernon is going to have a lot to prove next season if we are to lose both AA and Mangan....
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 11, 2015 14:34:50 GMT 1
Agree with you. Both Mangan and JLAA have shown they have far more to offer than Vernon. Mangan, in particular, had the best partnership with Collins, was the most natural goal scorer we had last season - and can do the unexpected.
JLAA's work rate was also second to none and chipped in with some very useful goals. OK, he also missed a lot but he was far more of a threat than Vernon was.
I'm also not quite sure how this interview sits with the pursuit of another striker in Dagnall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 14:42:11 GMT 1
I think JLAA is a goner. If we lose out on Grandison and, to a lesser extent Grant and Mangan, because of the budget spent on the new arrivals then I'd be disappointed. Given the budget MM is making some odd choices. Two left backs who look like 'starters', he's after a second left winger as well as Woods too. I agree with an extra right back is needed but so is more pace going forward a a bit of guile behind the front two (Grant started showing this in the last few months).
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jun 11, 2015 14:42:34 GMT 1
Agree with you. Both Mangan and JLAA have shown they have far more to offer than Vernon. Mangan, in particular, had the best partnership with Collins, was the most natural goal scorer we had last season - and can do the unexpected. JLAA's work rate was also second to none and chipped in with some very useful goals. OK, he also missed a lot but he was far more of a threat than Vernon was. I'm also not quite sure how this interview sits with the pursuit of another striker in Dagnall. Last night SSN reported that Dagnall had turned down a new contract from Orient and had signed for a club in India that had just appointed Peter Taylor as their manager
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 11, 2015 14:42:39 GMT 1
Agree with you. Both Mangan and JLAA have shown they have far more to offer than Vernon. Mangan, in particular, had the best partnership with Collins, was the most natural goal scorer we had last season - and can do the unexpected. JLAA's work rate was also second to none and chipped in with some very useful goals. OK, he also missed a lot but he was far more of a threat than Vernon was. I'm also not quite sure how this interview sits with the pursuit of another striker in Dagnall. plus the last line in the interview about most of the budget has been taken up with current players getting a pay rise and then hoping to sign 2/3 more players. Can see why JLAA, Mangan, Grando may be holding out - hoping to get similar pay rises plus any offers elsewhere, if offered.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 11, 2015 14:50:47 GMT 1
The whole interview strikes me as setting out to other clubs that we are not cash rich
one of two ways to look at it
1) Other clubs think... might be a good time to tempt them with a bid for a player
2) We are being screwed and actually there is a little more in the budget but means we wont get screwed by others if we look to buy any players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 14:52:10 GMT 1
I'm a big fan of JLAA, he hold up play in some games was a masterclass (Pompey for one) but how good will he be in L1? Grandison will be a huge signing if Goldson goes. Agree with others re Mangan, offers something different and seems good to have around the squad.Grant can still improve and I'd rather have him than Whalley on the face of it (bit harsh on Whalley as I've not really seen him!)
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 11, 2015 14:55:21 GMT 1
out of them all, Mangan is worthy trying to keep. Natural goalscorers are not easy to find, and we need as many as possible!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 11, 2015 15:09:00 GMT 1
When are Woods and Goldson getting sold? They are both in the last year of their contracts and we can't risk losing these to a tribunal. If we do sell them, then we have a minimum of £1 million (hopefully more) coming in which can be invested wisely. If we don't sell then try and extend their contracts by an extra year? RB and a Winger are what we need and it's great to see Micky going for these. I'd be disappointed to see Grandison and the youngsters leave. Mangan and Akpa-Akpro will only be back up players next year and Micky is probably thinking he can get in cheaper players that have similar ability. that's my concern, are they likely to sign again next year even if we are still in league 1? Alot is down to how well they do at this level, but while their value is high should we 'cash in' as they say on those in - play betting adverts!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 11, 2015 15:18:37 GMT 1
Personally I think we can trim the goalkeepers can't we?
If Jayson stays then surley Burton / Lewis are decent backup and Halstead can be released?
If Burton and Lewis aren't good enough / ready yet then a loan signing maybe?
If i was Halstead I'd be asking for a move anyhow, at his age he has to be playing.
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Post by victorsboots on Jun 11, 2015 15:35:27 GMT 1
The order I would look to retain is .... Mangan first he is the man who has to stay; Grandison next; Then keep JLAA and Grant;
Look forward to seeing NKP and Wes back too - hope they come back as good as before.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 11, 2015 15:41:36 GMT 1
Shift Grandson to RB when NKP is fit, we don't need a right back then with Gayle as back up.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 11, 2015 15:50:30 GMT 1
Bring back Rob Purdie - he can play either full back role, in midfield....
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Post by venceremos on Jun 11, 2015 15:58:40 GMT 1
Grandison's the priority for me - younger and more integral to the team than the other two (is NKP likely to be fit before Sept/Oct?) and defence was our greatest strength last season.
We probably need a change or two up front because we didn't score enough last season and it'll only be tougher next time.
Presumably this means there's nothing happening at the moment as far as outward transfers go. That's got to be better for our League 1 prospects. Is it a problem financially? Maybe - or perhaps we've overestimated the value of our saleable players and the likelihood of other clubs being attracted. Whatever, I won't be upset if R Woods, Goldson and Leutwiler remain with us.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 11, 2015 16:01:09 GMT 1
What we got striker wise in the youth team?
Any young Luke Rodgers knocking around?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 11, 2015 16:03:27 GMT 1
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 11, 2015 16:14:59 GMT 1
Collins,Barnett,Vernon and Anderson looks a lot better than the strike force we had last time we went up of Morgan,Gornell,Doble and Bradshaw.
Even last time we were in League One when our only contracted strikers were Jon Marsden and Tom Bradshaw.
We have to keep Grandison and the youngsters (Ginnelly and Rowley). I'd be very disappointed if Grandison leave, he is constantly getting better and better. Plus he makes a Saturday afternoon a lot more enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 16:35:57 GMT 1
We have the spine of a decent team, everyone chill.
We are the victims of our own success. As MM points out, the wages have increased due to promotion and 15 are under contract.
He's dampening expectations which is what's needed. Show the spirit we showed in some games last season, show the fitness levels, commitment and desire we'll be fine.
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Post by lenny on Jun 11, 2015 16:53:47 GMT 1
We shouldn't have one of the smallest budgets in the league. Think our attendances are around middle for L1 and, while some smaller clubs like Bury will chuck money they don't have at it, I'd still expect us to have a budget that's somewhere around the median. Hopefully it's MM just sending a message to other clubs/players, but I'm still a touch concerned. It also sounds like Mangan will be off - real shame. Have read that we and FGR split his wages last year as they just wanted to get rid, and perhaps we can't afford to take on the whole lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 16:57:45 GMT 1
We have the spine of a decent team, everyone chill. We are the victims of our own success. As MM points out, the wages have increased due to promotion and 15 are under contract. He's dampening expectations which is what's needed. Show the spirit we showed in some games last season, show the fitness levels, commitment and desire we'll be fine. To be fair I think most are chilled, just discussing who/which positions we'd prioritise. Someone made a good point about Grandison, any player who can light up a game in a moment is important to fans, it gives you hope on a rainy Tuesday in Swindon or wherever. Grandison, Asamoah, Berkley, Brown etc all had/have that something and I'd give up a bit of consistency to see those players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 17:04:44 GMT 1
We have the spine of a decent team, everyone chill. We are the victims of our own success. As MM points out, the wages have increased due to promotion and 15 are under contract. He's dampening expectations which is what's needed. Show the spirit we showed in some games last season, show the fitness levels, commitment and desire we'll be fine. To be fair I think most are chilled, just discussing who/which positions we'd prioritise. Someone made a good point about Grandison, any player who can light up a game in a moment is important to fans, it gives you hope on a rainy Tuesday in Swindon or wherever. Grandison, Asamoah, Berkley, Brown etc all had/have that something and I'd give up a bit of consistency to see those players. Chill as in MM will make the right choices and we are recruiting from a position of strength in already having a decent squad.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 11, 2015 17:25:56 GMT 1
I would like to keep mangan and grandison . Grant and JLAA easily replaceable .
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Post by block17salopian on Jun 11, 2015 17:45:00 GMT 1
the window opened yesterday, Give a chance for bids to come in.... maybe 1 or 2 will be sold. you lot getting your granny panties in a twist over nothing. Panic already and the season hasnt even started. CALM, PATIENCE.
Last player we signed you all moaned about, who says you wont moan about the next one? you have no faith and just want something to moan about to make you feel better about yourselves. Sad
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Post by northwestman on Jun 11, 2015 17:56:43 GMT 1
Shift Grandson to RB when NKP is fit, we don't need a right back then with Gayle as back up. Surely you must have seen enough of Grandison as RB to know that he should only be playing there in emergencies!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 11, 2015 17:58:05 GMT 1
the window opened yesterday, Give a chance for bids to come in.... maybe 1 or 2 will be sold. you lot getting your granny panties in a twist over nothing. Panic already and the season hasnt even started. CALM, PATIENCE. Last player we signed you all moaned about, who says you wont moan about the next one? you have no faith and just want something to moan about to make you feel better about yourselves. Sad Bit of an extreme interpretation that. Go easy fella, I don't think anyone's tearing up their season ticket just yet.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 11, 2015 18:00:41 GMT 1
We have the spine of a decent team, everyone chill. We are the victims of our own success. As MM points out, the wages have increased due to promotion and 15 are under contract. He's dampening expectations which is what's needed. Show the spirit we showed in some games last season, show the fitness levels, commitment and desire we'll be fine. Correction. 22 are under contract. If we are looking to shed players then Halstead and Vernon seem the most obvious, though I do appreciate that it will probably cost a fair bit to pay Vernon off.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 11, 2015 18:10:36 GMT 1
"Mellon admits he has other priorities ahead of bringing in another striker." So why the protracted negotiations with Dagnall (and I suspect Pope)?
"If things change and someone like Mangan was still available I'd love to bring him back - but I just don't have the finances." = Unless I sell Woods, Goldson or Leutwiler the wages demanded by Mangan are too much for the Club's budget. And if I don't sell one of them soon, Mangan will have gone elsewhere.
Alas, the £1m plus offered by West Ham in January for Woods seems no longer to be on the table with the departure of Allardyce.
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Post by Matster on Jun 11, 2015 18:57:28 GMT 1
I know he's young, but we have also got Dom Smith in defense too.
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