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Post by onthepitch on Jun 11, 2015 19:11:15 GMT 1
I'll be surprised if we don't lose at least one of our contracted players.... Got a sneaky suspicion Demetriou may be on his way... But that's based on not much tbh!
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Post by ellesmerian on Jun 11, 2015 20:33:26 GMT 1
I know he's young, but we have also got Dom Smith in defense too. I'm really quite excited to see what Dom Smith can bring to the team after a great loan spell at the end of last season. Quality player ready to make a great impact on the 1st team I reckon.
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Post by sussexshrew on Jun 11, 2015 20:43:40 GMT 1
For me, as a simple equation, if the recent dips into the transfer market... plus failed ones... have come at the price of Mangan, Grant, Grandison and JLAA... I don't see it as good business; I don't see that it makes us stronger.
p**sed off anyway down here in Sussex by the Sea. Matt Prior forced out of the game by achilles heel injury, following on from Rory Hamilton-Brown retiring pre-season due to wrist injury... and half of our squad crocked this season... I was looking forward to the start of Salop's League 1 campaign more than ever. Now 4 of my favourite players and characters look likely to be cast aside for I don't know who.
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Post by blazey on Jun 11, 2015 21:16:05 GMT 1
Would hope we can do to a deal to keep Grando - ticks all the boxes with age on his side, previous League One experience, pace, power, and approaching legend status. If he leaves surely we will need to bring in another centre back anyway as can't see us getting through a combative League One season with only three senior centre backs + Smith?
Of the two strikers I'm really torn - Akpa Akpro has spent four of the last five seasons in League One and whilst not prolific is probably the player who is most versatile in terms of forming partnerships with any of the other centre forwards and is also effective played out wide. Mangan offers a different dimension to the attack with his pace, trickery and finishing but will he get a sniff of goal against much better League One defenders, and crucially, can he maintain his fitness?
I don't think we need to pursue Grant now we have Martin Woods who presumably fills the left-footed creative/attacking midfield brief. If we keep Grandison, one of the out-of-contract strikers and also sign a right-back, I would be quite happy with this summers recruitment.
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Post by Matster on Jun 11, 2015 21:24:49 GMT 1
Mangan or JLAA?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 21:55:10 GMT 1
Great interview by MM. I'm in no doubt that we're going into L1 again with a similar budget to last time. That's a risk but this time, at the moment anyway, we go up with 2 or 3 valuable assets in the squad.
I wouldn't be surprised if MM's words about the non-contract players were chosen very carefully to influence negotiations and get them to hurry up and make up their minds. Wouldn't be at all surprised if one or two aren't resigned in the next couple of weeks !
Not at all bowled over by the signings but am enjoying the planning and control the club are demonstrating thus far. As ever I will judge our new players during matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 22:21:10 GMT 1
Is Matt Williams on holiday now
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 11, 2015 22:39:40 GMT 1
If the season started tomorrow we would look like a decent squad on paper. Add in the fact we will probably get 3 new signings in plus maybe one or two out of Grandison,Mangan,Akpa-Akpro and Ginnelly re-signing.
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Gayle Goldson NKP Sadler
----------R.Woods-------------- Lawrence---------Weso------- ----------M.Woods--------------
Collins------------Barnett-----
Subs: Halstead Ellis Demetriou Whalley Ogogo Clark Vernon
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Post by percy on Jun 12, 2015 7:10:16 GMT 1
If the season started tomorrow we would look like a decent squad on paper. Add in the fact we will probably get 3 new signings in plus maybe one or two out of Grandison,Mangan,Akpa-Akpro and Ginnelly re-signing. -----------Leutwiler------------ Gayle Goldson NKP Sadler ----------R.Woods-------------- Lawrence---------Weso------- ----------M.Woods-------------- Collins------------Barnett----- Subs: Halstead Ellis Demetriou Whalley Ogogo Clark Vernon I think you're right; but we need some cover at right back.
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Post by percy on Jun 12, 2015 12:19:21 GMT 1
We cannot seriously be thinking of letting Grandison go ??!??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 12:41:59 GMT 1
It's an interesting one. A few weeks ago I said I wouldnt be bothered if JLAA or Mangan were released, I also said I wouldnt lose any sleep if Jermaine left, now we have the possibility of all three of them going and I'm disapointed/worried but its more to do with the fact we are releasing them due to finances, rather than them not being deemed good enough for the step up.
Like it or not the perception amongst many fans is its similar to our last stint in L1. Initially lots of talk about challenging, learning from our mistakes, needing quality proven players at that level. The reality appears to be we will have one of the smaller budgets in L1 and some targets will go elsewhere. On face value we achieve so much to get promoted but then we aren't willing to spend to do anything other than survive in L1. That is true to an extent I believe but it is of course notably different to our last promotion as we still have the spine of the team that got promoted and have a number of saleable assets.
What I would say is there seems mixed messages from STFC, we have a small budget and can't afford to offer contracts but then are getting turned down by Dagnall whilst Mellon is looking to bring in other players?? As others have suggested the article may be us trying to be clever in setting the expectations to players/agents out there and also for the players that are out of contract.
Finally, lets not forget the Bury factor. People see them as a small club with much more smaller gates than us but they are signing proven quality at this level, as we know they are playing a dangerous game. But many people don't see that and just see them being far more ambitious than us. Of course its ironic that our announcement leads to accusations of the club not being ambitious etc but the Bury thread throws accusations thrown at them of them spending beyond their means and gambling their future. No wonder Roland thinks he cannot win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 13:00:49 GMT 1
I'm just confused as to the mixed messages that are coming out of the club at the moment. We are signing new players but apparently cannot afford to keep those out of contract. Strange one indeed.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 12, 2015 13:05:26 GMT 1
find it strange that although new deals were offered to out of contract players and with the budget so tight we still sign some new players
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 13:14:50 GMT 1
find it strange that although new deals were offered to out of contract players and with the budget so tight we still sign some new players me too... and we still seem to have money available to try and tempt Dagnall to the club.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 12, 2015 13:17:10 GMT 1
I'll be heartbroken if Grandison goes, personally. Think all four would prove useful in different ways next year, but he's the one I'd really push the boat out for.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 12, 2015 13:19:54 GMT 1
find it strange that although new deals were offered to out of contract players and with the budget so tight we still sign some new players me too... and we still seem to have money available to try and tempt Dagnall to the club. unless the Dagnall deal was only going through if one of our contracted players was being sold on? And because it fell through, the sale of that player is yet to happen?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 13:22:49 GMT 1
Matt Prior forced out of the game by achilles heel injury Sad to see that he's calling it a day. Sky sports paid tribute to him yesterday during the WI vs Australia tea break by showing highlights of his debut in 2007 against the West Indies. What a debut, 126 not out, the first England wicket keeper to score a test hundred on debut.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 13:26:56 GMT 1
me too... and we still seem to have money available to try and tempt Dagnall to the club. unless the Dagnall deal was only going through if one of our contracted players was being sold on? And because it fell through, the sale of that player is yet to happen? That's a possibility I had not considered. One of the strikers perhaps?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 12, 2015 13:29:55 GMT 1
unless the Dagnall deal was only going through if one of our contracted players was being sold on? And because it fell through, the sale of that player is yet to happen? That's a possibility I had not considered. One of the strikers perhaps? Collins, Barnett and Vernon still under contract. Vernon would be the obvious; though I agree with some others on here thinking he will have more joy in league 1. Who knows!
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 12, 2015 13:42:45 GMT 1
In the interview on Shrewsplayer, MM says if the Dagnall deal had gone through that would have "wiped us out' and been the end of the recruitment. The fact it fell through has given him scope to look at two or three other players.
Fair enough, but we clearly still have some money to play with. However, he must think that the two or three he is still chasing can bring more to the squad than some, if not all, of the four out-of-contract ones.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 12, 2015 13:53:32 GMT 1
In the interview on Shrewsplayer, MM says if the Dagnall deal had gone through that would have "wiped us out' and been the end of the recruitment. The fact it fell through has given him scope to look at two or three other players. Fair enough, but we clearly still have some money to play with. However, he must think that the two or three he is still chasing can bring more to the squad than some, if not all, of the four out-of-contract ones. lol! even more puzzling! Sign Dagnall - and have no more money to strengthen in areas where cover is needed - yet we already have 3 strikers plus Anderson on the books - plus want to keep Managan and JLAA and now we don't sign Dagnall we can look at the priority areas that we need strengthening and still want to re-sign Mangan and JLAA. I have wonder if Micky Mellon left on his holidays with everything in place, came back to find half the budget has been blown on providing somewhere nice for the swallows to live! Oh well! Adds some fun and games to the quiet and close season. Great reading! Need a drink....
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Post by new2baa on Jun 12, 2015 15:00:05 GMT 1
The Foz/Percy, if the season started tomorrow 2 of that team would still be 3 or 4 months away from 1st Team playing. Wes and NKP are probably looking at least September/October for a return.
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Post by woodey88 on Jun 12, 2015 15:45:26 GMT 1
Micky Mellon better keep the out of contract players because there better than the ones we are signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 17:09:36 GMT 1
Sure I saw it written that Mangan has had an offer from Oldham so is likely to be less than the contract on the table otherwise he will have gone.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 12, 2015 17:21:42 GMT 1
The Foz/Percy, if the season started tomorrow 2 of that team would still be 3 or 4 months away from 1st Team playing. Wes and NKP are probably looking at least September/October for a return. Why's that's? (Genuine question) I'm no physio but they were both fit enough to cycle to Cheltenham in April so will it really take another 5/6 months to get match fit?
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Post by Chic on Jun 12, 2015 17:31:30 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 12, 2015 18:19:00 GMT 1
The Foz/Percy, if the season started tomorrow 2 of that team would still be 3 or 4 months away from 1st Team playing. Wes and NKP are probably looking at least September/October for a return. Why's that's? (Genuine question) I'm no physio but they were both fit enough to cycle to Cheltenham in April so will it really take another 5/6 months to get match fit? I'm no physio either but I'd guess being able to cycle a fair distance is still a long way from being able to push the leg through the rough and tumble it will be subjected to in a competitive football match.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 12, 2015 18:42:10 GMT 1
Why's that's? (Genuine question) I'm no physio but they were both fit enough to cycle to Cheltenham in April so will it really take another 5/6 months to get match fit? I'm no physio either but I'd guess being able to cycle a fair distance is still a long way from being able to push the leg through the rough and tumble it will be subjected to in a competitive football match. Hopefully someone who knows about these things or has heard something will clarify the usual recovery time... I just feel if they wernt well on the way to recovery the club wouldnt want them to take on such a feat when they were 6 months away from full fitness
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 12, 2015 18:45:05 GMT 1
I've just been told by a Coventry season ticket holder that they believe that Grando is about to sign for them. That would not surprise me as it is his home city.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 12, 2015 18:59:29 GMT 1
I'm no physio either but I'd guess being able to cycle a fair distance is still a long way from being able to push the leg through the rough and tumble it will be subjected to in a competitive football match. Hopefully someone who knows about these things or has heard something will clarify the usual recovery time... I just feel if they wernt well on the way to recovery the club wouldnt want them to take on such a feat when they were 6 months away from full fitness I've no idea on such injuries but I do know that cycling is a very gentle exercise - depending on what the injury is like then cycling could well be a way of keeping other muscles in trim without doing any further damage to the injury. Don't know, it's only a thought about why they were cycling a long distance when they were still months away from being fit to play football.
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