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Post by Amsterdammer on Jul 6, 2015 12:06:07 GMT 1
If you where not going into work you would phone up and tell them or you would either have a warning or you be out the door. Same at school as a junior your taught that if you fail to attend you where disciplined unless you have a perfectly good reason which you could back up or you sent a letter from your parents explaining why. Reasonable if you are employed or under contract. What's the relevance to Ginnelly? Hasn't his contract expired?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:49:42 GMT 1
Thought I just saw Ginnelly in a Forest tracksuit at Copenhagen airport...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:56:32 GMT 1
Quick look on the internet and i think it may have been Des Walker's son not Ginnelly! Forest squad had just arrived, must be a preseason tour.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 6, 2015 23:10:49 GMT 1
Well he sounds like a rude little brat to me. To have spoken to MM is hardly a big deal. Leave the offer on the table, but plan without him. I suspect our leader is already doing that.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 7, 2015 8:34:19 GMT 1
Well he sounds like a rude little brat to me. To have spoken to MM is hardly a big deal. Leave the offer on the table, but plan without him. I suspect our leader is already doing that. Sadly though he presumably can't use the part of the budget allocated to Ginnelly until he makes his decision. This is what is beginning to annoy me. I am a Shrewsbury Town supporter not a supporter of any one player in particular and as such want as much money as possible available to help us in League one. The lad has had plenty of time of sort himself out now. Obviously the deals on his table aren't that brilliant or he would have snapped one up by now. We we need our budget now before the start of the season. Look what happened when we had to leave it too late to replace James Collins when he couldn't be bothered to pick up a phone either.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 7, 2015 9:11:01 GMT 1
clubs should be able to withdraw the offers on the table and still get compensation, Mellon could have been told in no uncertain terms that the lad isn't signing, but Mellon can't withdraw the offer because we would get nothing. So until Ginnelly has himself fixed up to his new club we are stuck in limbo.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 7, 2015 9:15:57 GMT 1
Good point and I quite agree. Yet another example of the rules doing no favours to smaller clubs.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 7, 2015 10:41:44 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 7, 2015 10:53:04 GMT 1
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Post by percy on Jul 7, 2015 12:04:55 GMT 1
I'm not sure that it requires much reading between the lines anymore. Must say that I am surprised at his behaviour as he seemed a decent enough lad when I've seen him around - shows what agents can do to player. He's probably been told to hold out for Raheem Sterling's move when all the dominoes will fall - an embarassing return if nothing materialises.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Jul 7, 2015 12:36:21 GMT 1
Just to add to my challenging comments above, if he's not returning calls that's disrespectful. But let's not get too high on the horse: we will leave his offer out there to ensure we can get compensation.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 7, 2015 16:39:42 GMT 1
Strewth there is a hell of a lot of conjecture, opinion and finger pointing on this thread, but barely a confirmed fact in five bloody pages. Get a grip.
Maybe he is being told by his agent to avoid contacting the club. Hardly like that's never happened before.
Maybe his head is reeling with the opportunities that are being put before him. Would never happen to any of us would it?.
Maybe he is just a rude teenager. Were none of us rude teenagers?
Give the lad a break, he is weighing up probably the biggest decision of his young life and is more than likely sh177ing it at the thought of getting it wrong. I'm sure that if he were to read all the supportive comments on here he would turn around and walk away with a raised middle finger. Hopefully he hasn't and can make his decision on advice from family, friends and colleagues, rather than the inane ramblings of the people that he would hope to have supporting him in the coming season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:51:37 GMT 1
Absolutely no harm for him or his agent contacting the club to explain the current circumstances. Perhaps they are frightened (particularly his agent) of more reasoned argument against a move.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 7, 2015 16:58:01 GMT 1
clubs should be able to withdraw the offers on the table and still get compensation, Mellon could have been told in no uncertain terms that the lad isn't signing, but Mellon can't withdraw the offer because we would get nothing. So until Ginnelly has himself fixed up to his new club we are stuck in limbo. Probably unworkable in practice though. A club could table a low offer to every player, then withdraw it and claim compensation as they joined new clubs. I'm sure we're planning without Ginnelly and it's an unlikely bonus if he signs. It hampers our planning but then that's true for every player we try to sign who hesitates. Whoever that fox-in-the-box striker might be, we're stuck in limbo until somebody signs. All in the game.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 7, 2015 17:07:22 GMT 1
Strewth there is a hell of a lot of conjecture, opinion and finger pointing on this thread, but barely a confirmed fact in five bloody pages. Get a grip. Maybe he is being told by his agent to avoid contacting the club. Hardly like that's never happened before. Maybe his head is reeling with the opportunities that are being put before him. Would never happen to any of us would it?. Maybe he is just a rude teenager. Were none of us rude teenagers? Give the lad a break, he is weighing up probably the biggest decision of his young life and is more than likely sh177ing it at the thought of getting it wrong. I'm sure that if he were to read all the supportive comments on here he would turn around and walk away with a raised middle finger. Hopefully he hasn't and can make his decision on advice from family, friends and colleagues, rather than the inane ramblings of the people that he would hope to have supporting him in the coming season. Good post and I agree with every word (except the suggestion there might be anything unusual about a feisty thread with a shortage of confirmed facts). But I still haven't seen any reason why somebody (Ginnelly, his agent, his mum, his priest?) couldn't have phoned Mellon or Williams and just said "still dunno". Even a text - how hard is that!?
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Post by MartinB on Jul 7, 2015 17:43:39 GMT 1
clubs should be able to withdraw the offers on the table and still get compensation, Mellon could have been told in no uncertain terms that the lad isn't signing, but Mellon can't withdraw the offer because we would get nothing. So until Ginnelly has himself fixed up to his new club we are stuck in limbo. Probably unworkable in practice though. A club could table a low offer to every player, then withdraw it and claim compensation as they joined new clubs. I'm sure we're planning without Ginnelly and it's an unlikely bonus if he signs. It hampers our planning but then that's true for every player we try to sign who hesitates. Whoever that fox-in-the-box striker might be, we're stuck in limbo until somebody signs. All in the game. offer has to be on same terms or better for compensation to be due. This stops clubs making really low offers just to get compensation
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Post by venceremos on Jul 7, 2015 18:26:24 GMT 1
Probably unworkable in practice though. A club could table a low offer to every player, then withdraw it and claim compensation as they joined new clubs. I'm sure we're planning without Ginnelly and it's an unlikely bonus if he signs. It hampers our planning but then that's true for every player we try to sign who hesitates. Whoever that fox-in-the-box striker might be, we're stuck in limbo until somebody signs. All in the game. offer has to be on same terms or better for compensation to be due. This stops clubs making really low offers just to get compensation Thanks, don't doubt you but what does on same terms mean? Surely not the same money or else how would lower league clubs ever get compensation?
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Post by scooter on Jul 7, 2015 18:30:47 GMT 1
offer has to be on same terms or better for compensation to be due. This stops clubs making really low offers just to get compensation Thanks, don't doubt you but what does on same terms mean? Surely not the same money or else how would lower league clubs ever get compensation? All we have to do is offer at least what we were paying him last season, which I don't suppose was very much
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 7, 2015 19:08:05 GMT 1
Strewth there is a hell of a lot of conjecture, opinion and finger pointing on this thread, but barely a confirmed fact in five bloody pages. Get a grip. Maybe he is being told by his agent to avoid contacting the club. Hardly like that's never happened before. Maybe his head is reeling with the opportunities that are being put before him. Would never happen to any of us would it?. Maybe he is just a rude teenager. Were none of us rude teenagers? Give the lad a break, he is weighing up probably the biggest decision of his young life and is more than likely sh177ing it at the thought of getting it wrong. I'm sure that if he were to read all the supportive comments on here he would turn around and walk away with a raised middle finger. Hopefully he hasn't and can make his decision on advice from family, friends and colleagues, rather than the inane ramblings of the people that he would hope to have supporting him in the coming season. He's been told by his agent to avoid contacting the club ? Without any mention of what is going on and no contact at all or suggestion of what is happening is unusual. Not even the rudest of teenagers (like Nile Ranger) behaves like this - it is deeply unprofessional and disrespectful and he is being very badly advised - not even Messi or Ronaldo can afford to behave like this.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 7, 2015 19:14:08 GMT 1
Thanks, don't doubt you but what does on same terms mean? Surely not the same money or else how would lower league clubs ever get compensation? All we have to do is offer at least what we were paying him last season, which I don't suppose was very much
I'll bet there are a few workers in my neck of the woods who would swop salaries with him, scooter.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 7, 2015 20:18:15 GMT 1
Thanks, don't doubt you but what does on same terms mean? Surely not the same money or else how would lower league clubs ever get compensation? All we have to do is offer at least what we were paying him last season, which I don't suppose was very much Thanks for that. Returning to the original point, the suggested change would still make it feasible for clubs to offer youth terms to all out of contract young players, withdraw most offers and claim compensation. The current system isn't perfect, but seems better.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 7, 2015 20:26:53 GMT 1
Thanks, don't doubt you but what does on same terms mean? Surely not the same money or else how would lower league clubs ever get compensation? All we have to do is offer at least what we were paying him last season, which I don't suppose was very much Thankfully we seem to have got our sums correct this time....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:51:05 GMT 1
The only concern I have about this Ginnelly saga is that it has tied up money that the club cannot use on another player until he signs elsewhere when the club can negotiate it's compensation.
The worst case scenario is that Ginnelly does not get signed up elsewhere, and we have a player who with his agent has made every effort to get a move to a club higher up the pyramid, not the right DNA for STFC and MM will know that now!
The sooner a club signs him the better!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 22:14:50 GMT 1
Heard a rumour that Southport were interested......not sure if true...
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Post by percy on Jul 8, 2015 6:54:30 GMT 1
Strewth there is a hell of a lot of conjecture, opinion and finger pointing on this thread, but barely a confirmed fact in five bloody pages. Get a grip. Maybe he is being told by his agent to avoid contacting the club. Hardly like that's never happened before. Maybe his head is reeling with the opportunities that are being put before him. Would never happen to any of us would it?. Maybe he is just a rude teenager. Were none of us rude teenagers? Give the lad a break, he is weighing up probably the biggest decision of his young life and is more than likely sh177ing it at the thought of getting it wrong. I'm sure that if he were to read all the supportive comments on here he would turn around and walk away with a raised middle finger. Hopefully he hasn't and can make his decision on advice from family, friends and colleagues, rather than the inane ramblings of the people that he would hope to have supporting him in the coming season. Completely disagree. Nobody begrudges the kid the chance to move to a higher level, nor blames him for not signing a contract now BUT to fail to respond at all and just not show up to training is just not OK. No matter what level of the game - particularly not for a reserve player who has done chuff all. One thing is being rude, another is being stupid - no club is going to look at this behaviour and think they have a good hardworking star in the making in Ginnelly. I cannot believe that any agent is happy with their players being labelled as trouble. If he ends up staying with us then he needs to eat a huge piece of humble pie and I'm sure we will all forgive when he turns out to be the new Messi and we sell him for a fortune.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 9, 2015 13:59:11 GMT 1
Don't have shrews player. What has MM said about this today?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 14:03:49 GMT 1
Don't have shrews player. What has MM said about this today? Its a old interview newly uploaded by the looks...from last week-ish.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 9, 2015 14:19:39 GMT 1
Don't have shrews player. What has MM said about this today? Its a old interview newly uploaded by the looks...from last week-ish. thanks
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 9, 2015 16:31:29 GMT 1
"Should learn to be a man" and "He's just an 18 year old kid" come from above posts which hit things on the head.
From earlier reports when he was with us, was that he had an excellent attitude... and certainly wasn't a "bad egg".
But he is young and his character is still forming, perhaps including as with many, negative sides too.
We don't know why he hasn't contacted the club. It seems bad mannered, especially as he hasn't answered the phone when he sees its the club calling. But maybe he is embarrassed, and sometimes when you fail to do something you know you should have done, each passing day makes it worse.
However his agent isn't an 18 year old kid... and part of his job is communication. So I think his behaviour is crass and classless, and I don't think it's in an agents DNA to be embarrassed. And apparently he too won't pick up the phone or respond to calls from MM.
It is a sad saga: we gave him the environment to advance, and he it. Watching highlights from the reserve games we can see what a talent he is becoming. But if he thinks he can move forward faster, good luck to him. But let the boss know, Josh... and if you don't want to phone... phone your agent and tell him to. Or maybe he's not a man either.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2015 15:46:41 GMT 1
Ginnelly could also do far worse than have a chat to Mason Springthorpe, who at 16 years of age left us for the bright lights of the Everton under 21 development squad.
His history since then - appearances for Everton 0. Released. - appearances for Ellesmere Rangers 19. - appearances for Fleetwood on short term contract 0 Released. and has now signed a 1 year contract with Telford.
Quotes from Springthorpe at the time he signed for Everton:-
"There were a number of top clubs chasing me. I feel blown away." This quote could have come from Ginnelly!
"Everton are an ambitious club who offer a real chance to come through the ranks and into the 1st team."
Oh dear, oh dear. I wonder who Springthorpe's agent was.
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