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Post by jamo on Jun 28, 2015 23:07:53 GMT 1
To be honest I'm a bit fed up with all this Ginnelly nonsense. The option is there to sign for the club, if he doesn't want to then he can naff off, sooner the better.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 29, 2015 7:11:46 GMT 1
All this agent bull s**t really p**ses me off . Being a footballer is a job , yes a job , where you get payed every week or month, whatever . Maybe you get payed a bit more than a standard 9-5 but the principles still the same . What the hell people need agents for is beyond me .
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jun 29, 2015 10:28:28 GMT 1
How reliable are these sports news websites that are basically click bait? I mean do they have the inside track from Ginnelly 's agent? MM has stated that he's heard nothing from any other club about Ginnelly. All that might be happening is that his agent is touting his name around. In his 45 minute interview yesterday MM spent quite a while talking about Ginnelly, admitting he has 'lots of options' and is 'confused about what to do.' Needs to decide quickly. In today's Shropshire Star: www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/06/29/josh-ginnelly-future-uncertain/
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 29, 2015 10:42:56 GMT 1
Starting to bore me now.
Guy clearly thinks he is Ronaldo.
If I was MM I'd offer him a deal, give him a day to make his mind up.
If not then clear off.
Preseason has started now, don't need this dragging on.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 29, 2015 10:54:48 GMT 1
As from tomorrow Ginnelly's wages run out. Perhaps that might concentrate his mind.
Like others, I'm beginning to get fed up of his stalling. Even more so when the rest are back for pre-season training.
He's rejected us twice, as has Grandison. If he wants to go elsewhere, then just get on with it and at least we'll get some compensation.
Tactically MM seems to be taking the right approach with him, but inwardly I'll bet he's seething about being messed about by Ginnelly and his agent.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 29, 2015 10:59:08 GMT 1
Starting to bore me now. Guy clearly thinks he is Ronaldo. If I was MM I'd offer him a deal, give him a day to make his mind up. If not then clear off. Preseason has started now, don't need this dragging on. Much as some on here might now wish Ginnelly to clear off, we have to play the game and offer him terms otherwise we'll get no compensation whatsoever. Let's just hope that if he does sign elsewhere it's not for Rangers or Celtic, who are apparently both interested, otherwise the Chris Humphrey situation may recur.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 29, 2015 11:03:25 GMT 1
Starting to bore me now. Guy clearly thinks he is Ronaldo. If I was MM I'd offer him a deal, give him a day to make his mind up. If not then clear off. Preseason has started now, don't need this dragging on. Much as some on here might now wish Ginnelly to clear off, we have to play the game and offer him terms otherwise we'll get no compensation whatsoever. Let's just hope that if he does sign elsewhere it's not for Rangers or Celtic, who are apparently both interested, otherwise the Chris Humphrey situation may recur. See your point, just annoying as if he doesn't end up staying the budget allocated for his wage could of been used on someone else.
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 29, 2015 12:20:10 GMT 1
I don't blame the lad for not signing yet.
He's got the chance to go to the Premier League and Championship, he would be foolish to rush into a decision.
He only made 3 cameo appearances last year so we've hardly given him much of a chance in the first team so far.
I feel that some fans have come to the conclusion that we probably won't sign him so are getting in first saying "we dont want you anyway".
I hope he stays but if he leaves then I don't blame him. We got him on a free 2 years ago and we will most likely get a bit of money if he leaves.
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 29, 2015 12:51:26 GMT 1
The lad is clearly an asset so I think some of the more emotional responses are a bit out of order, we should be encouraging him to stay and play for us!!!
it's a huge decision for a young player to make...
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Post by lenny on Jun 29, 2015 13:25:51 GMT 1
Agree with the two above posts. Lad is clearly talented, won't exactly get guaranteed first team football here and will be getting some very good offers. Personally think that his staying would be best for his career, as I think Mickey would give him some chances in the side, but it's definitely not cut and dried and it may well just be my bias talking!
We all keep saying how he should look at Connor's example - are people forgetting he did exactly the same? I seem to recall plenty of people saying how he was welcome to bugger off as he hadn't instantly signed the contract, but he eventually did and all is forgotten. Playing for Shrewsbury isn't going to be the sum of any player's ambitions; and personally I don't care if we aren't people's first choice so long as they give 100% while they are here.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 29, 2015 13:41:12 GMT 1
I DO want the lad to stay, just dragging it out way too much for me.
You either want to play for us next season or you don't?
Had a month to make a choice!
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 29, 2015 17:32:45 GMT 1
Precisely. He has had ages to make up his mind. It's now at the stage where to be honest I couldn't care less either way.
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Post by highfield on Jun 29, 2015 18:02:50 GMT 1
The lad has had plenty of time to make up his mind by now. it sounds like we are being strung along. Why does he not get his agent to advise him or better still get the PFA to give him some proper impartial guidance.
Football is littered with young players who didn't make it at big clubs and were subsequently binned.
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Post by blazey on Jun 29, 2015 18:58:24 GMT 1
I think most of the frustration stems from the Star's repetitive reporting on the issue despite no movement on the deal - it's hard to make column inches at times in close season....
The wider implications in terms of finance are likely to be negligible - I don't suppose we're offering him too much money to stay, and we probably won't get much from the tribunal if he leaves - what will be will be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:11:17 GMT 1
Seen him play twice, (in total for a few minutes) in the first team. Although I believe he plays well for the reserves, the jump from there to the first team is immense. I would think he needs to toughen up a bit and put on some muscle if he is to survive as a pro footballer, and then his skill can come through. I doubt he is as good as Woods, or Goldson at the equivalent stages of their careers, so I cannot see what all the fuss is about. Prem clubs and some Championship clubs hoover up young talent all the time, in the hope that they uncover a possible gem. They also let young players go as soon as it suits them, with no thought as to the youngsters future in the game, once ther'e gone ther'e gone.
Ginnelly has been told all thus by older players and management I bet. If he still wants to go then go, but I cannot say his going would register on most fans radar. Gin who?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 29, 2015 19:16:36 GMT 1
He might have had ages to make up his mind about our offer but that's only part of the story if he's got other offers or is in discussions with other clubs. It makes sense for him to wait until all the offers have been confirmed (or not) and he knows what his choices are. It doesn't necessarily mean he's messing anyone about, it's a big decision he's got to make. Who wouldn't want to get their career decisions right, in football or any other line of work?
Can we withdraw our offer and retain a right to compensation? Don't know, but it would make no sense to me to withdraw an offer in any case. If we want him, we just have to keep the offer there and see what happens. Maybe we'll get a promising young player, maybe some welcome cash, maybe nothing. It's not as if this is anything new, it's how football is.
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Post by Matster on Jun 29, 2015 19:22:28 GMT 1
And the money offered to him will be allocated until he turns us down.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 29, 2015 20:19:30 GMT 1
Indeed I would rather see it spent on keeping Mangan who actually WANTS to play for us.
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 29, 2015 20:28:25 GMT 1
Indeed I would rather see it spent on keeping Mangan who actually WANTS to play for us. I disagree. Ginnelly signing would benefit the club a lot more in the long term. In fact, out of all the out of contract players he has to be the number one priority to sign. He could potentially get the club a lot of money in the future, Mangan won't. Also, Grandison,Mangan and Akpa-Akpro haven't signed any new deals yet, why aren't people bored of them "messing the club about"?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 29, 2015 20:37:50 GMT 1
Indeed I would rather see it spent on keeping Mangan who actually WANTS to play for us. I disagree. Ginnelly signing would benefit the club a lot more in the long term. In fact, out of all the out of contract players he has to be the number one priority to sign. He could potentially get the club a lot of money in the future, Mangan won't. Also, Grandison,Mangan and Akpa-Akpro haven't signed any new deals yet, why aren't people bored of them "messing the club about"? They've earnt extra time!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 21:46:10 GMT 1
All that Ginnelly is at the moment is potential and nothing more, he has a long way to go to make it as a recognised professional player.
He is possibly being advised that if he goes to a club higher up the pyramid he will possibly find a lower league club to take a punt on him again if it does not work out, but if he stays and does not make it at Shrewsbury he is more likely to be looking at non league clubs!
Time for him to bite the bullet!
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 29, 2015 23:21:52 GMT 1
All that Ginnelly is at the moment is potential and nothing more, he has a long way to go to make it as a recognised professional player.
He is possibly being advised that if he goes to a club higher up the pyramid he will possibly find a lower league club to take a punt on him again if it does not work out, but if he stays and does not make it at Shrewsbury he is more likely to be looking at non league clubs!
Time for him to bite the bullet! I didn't realise he was being advised by Private Fraizer from Dad's Army... ;P
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 30, 2015 4:46:05 GMT 1
Ginnelly's got every right to consider his options from a personal perspective. After all, it looks as we might be about to ditch the guy whose goal fired us to promotion last season. Loyalty works both ways. It's a harsh reality of the modern game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 6:55:35 GMT 1
Ginnelly's got every right to consider his options from a personal perspective. After all, it looks as we might be about to ditch the guy whose goal fired us to promotion last season. Loyalty works both ways. It's a harsh reality of the modern game. Agreed. Quite happy for him to make an informed decision on what is best for his career and go for it. And as for agents being driven by money - I'm sure that is a factor but I also suspect they are not stupid and recognise that looking after their client's interests long-term will benefit them too.
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Post by Matster on Jun 30, 2015 7:11:25 GMT 1
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 30, 2015 7:14:55 GMT 1
Indeed I would rather see it spent on keeping Mangan who actually WANTS to play for us. I disagree. Ginnelly signing would benefit the club a lot more in the long term. In fact, out of all the out of contract players he has to be the number one priority to sign. He could potentially get the club a lot of money in the future, Mangan won't. Also, Grandison,Mangan and Akpa-Akpro haven't signed any new deals yet, why aren't people bored of them "messing the club about"? i think people are Just tired of This rolling on all summer . It would be different if he'd played 100 games for us . This is a lad who hasn't even started a game .
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2015 8:03:56 GMT 1
I don't see why the number of games he's played should make a difference. If you think waiting on other offers before deciding whether to re-sign is messing the club about, why should playing more games earn you the right to mess the club about?
In the end it's all about employment and career choices and anyone would do what was best for themselves. I was advised years ago that nobody would care about my career more than me and, obvious as it seems, that's good advice for anyone, footballers included.
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Post by ellesmerian on Jun 30, 2015 8:49:51 GMT 1
I don't think we can blame Josh for 'dragging' this out. He surely has the right to look at all options. The chances are, that the prem, championship and SPL teams showing an interest have other similar targets they're looking at and it's all a big jigsaw puzzle this time of year, with lots of talks but no contracts on the table until things settle and other signing happen or fall through.
I reckon MM has said to Josh that he won't be an immediate first choice for the 1st team; he may or may not become part of MM's 1st team plans or he may even go straight out on loan. Looking at last year and how some players with great potential, James Caton for example, don't ever get a look in and now look to be moving on, maybe Josh is rightly looking for a team where 1st team football looks realistic and the contract is better than offered here. Maybe it's not the dream Prem/ Championship deal he's holding out for. Maybe the deal offered by STFC is pretty rubbish with an unrealistic chance of regular 1st team games?
The truth is none of us really know why his decisons are taking so long, yet we're making judgments on this young lad. If I was Josh and a read this thread, I'd be thinking no-one wants me at Shrewsbury anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 9:35:11 GMT 1
Ginnelly's got every right to consider his options from a personal perspective. After all, it looks as we might be about to ditch the guy whose goal fired us to promotion last season. Loyalty works both ways. It's a harsh reality of the modern game. Agreed. Quite happy for him to make an informed decision on what is best for his career and go for it. And as for agents being driven by money - I'm sure that is a factor but I also suspect they are not stupid and recognise that looking after their client's interests long-term will benefit them too. I think Ant and Camden are missing my point in that he has had a good number of weeks to consider his options, and rightly so, however it is in his own interests to be decisive now, and at this important junction of his career not to miss pre-season at whichever club he joins for the sake of dithering!
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Post by NelsonShrew on Jul 2, 2015 13:01:59 GMT 1
Anything more been said on this?
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