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Post by QuorndonShrew on May 9, 2015 1:24:16 GMT 1
But is it not fathomable that many Scottish people want the SNP to represent them in Westminster but not necessarily as a sovereign independent government?
In many respects similar to the people that voted UKIP in the European elections but returned to their normal vote when it came down to the general election.
I personally disagree if there was an independent referendum put to the vote tomorrow, it would be as much a forgone conclusion as you think. Likewise with the vote on Europe. I'm sure the SNP still have a lot of people to convince about their anti-austerity measures and what provisions are in place for when the debt wracks up. Students particularly get a pretty good deal when it comes to tuition fees up there, that would surely be of some concern if they to the ballot boxes. It's only been nine months since the independence referendum, the mechanics haven't changed that much. Cameron is still in number 10 and it isn't just the Scots that are grossly misrepresented in UK politics. I think a revision of the devo max agreement is probably the most likely outcome of this election.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 7:51:00 GMT 1
However unpalatable the upcoming cuts may be, they are going to have to happen. We cannot continue to spend more than we earn, I for one do not want to pass on a milestone of spiralling debt to my children and that is the view of the electorate who have endorsed the Tory’s plans for a further 5 years. Were you aware that Osborne borrowed more in his first three years as chancellor than Labour did in its preceding 13 years in government? Can't blame you if you weren't , it's not been widely reported, apparently eating a bacon sandwich in a bit of a spoddy way is more newsworthy for the Scum, Times etc. But this won't change your mind, will it? Once people by into a narrative they tend to stick with it...odd... This. It's all been about the politics of personality. That migrant worker Crosby really did a job and the irony should be evident even to the non political amongst us.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 8:00:56 GMT 1
Don't understand this. Lembit Opik was a LibDem?! He was the Montgomery MP and I don't remember him being particularly chubby?! Sorry. 'Chubby Lembit Opik' was a reference to our local 'UNITE' rep who occasionally trolls these boards with his nonsense. Think Lembit Opik with thinning hair and a bigger waistband. That's your fella. Look, if you're going to get personal at least get the union and the the role right.
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Post by camdenshrew on May 9, 2015 8:15:43 GMT 1
Very depressing result but I'm looking forward to the prospect of the Tories tearing themselves apart again over Europe. The shock result might not be the only thing that mirrors 1992 and what followed.
I'm also going to find it intriguing how Cameron funds his promise of an extra 8 billion a year for the NHS while cutting taxes.
It's also going to be fascinating to see who he supports this weekend when Aston Villa play West Ham.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 8:41:16 GMT 1
I have a feeling that the battles parent carers have with local authorities over funding for the best provision for their young people are about to get harder.
What an utterly, utterly depressing thought.
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 8:54:35 GMT 1
Very depressing result but I'm looking forward to the prospect of the Tories tearing themselves apart again over Europe. The shock result might not be the only thing that mirrors 1992 and what followed. I'm also going to find it intriguing how Cameron funds his promise of an extra 8 billion a year for the NHS while cutting taxes. It's also going to be fascinating to see who he supports this weekend when Aston Villa play West Ham. Burnley I expect. Will he even know who is playing!!!!!!
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 9:00:29 GMT 1
It's also going to be fascinating to see who he supports this weekend when Aston Villa play West Ham. Clearly, he needs to draw on the expertise of Tony Blair, who claimed that as a boy he used to sit behind the goal at the Gallowgate end of the Newcastle United ground to watch his heroes. The Gallowgate end was all terracing in those days. And they wonder why the general public regard politicians as liars.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 9:13:07 GMT 1
And speaking of Tony Blair, there is a salutary tale from his time at Fettes school which gives an early insight into his character.
Apparently, Deep Purple were appearing in concert nearby but the headmaster had forbidden anyone to go to watch them. However, in contravention of these instructions, Blair and others climbed over the school wall, attended the concert, but were spotted climbing back over the wall later on.
Eventually, all the miscreants were summoned to the headmaster's office and all were caned. Bar one..Blair.
The suspicion is that Blair was able to avoid punishment by supplying the names of all the others involved to the headmaster.
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Post by mattmw on May 9, 2015 9:32:07 GMT 1
Well looks like its started already - Department of Work and Pensions has today published plans to abolish a financial support programme to help disabled people back into work.
Bloody disabled people trying to get into work - good to see Ian Duncan Smith cutting back on that kind of thing and putting the proposals out on a slow news day
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 9:39:39 GMT 1
Well looks like its started already - Department of Work and Pensions has today published plans to abolish a financial support programme to help disabled people back into work. Bloody disabled people trying to get into work - good to see Ian Duncan Smith cutting back on that kind of thing and putting the proposals out on a slow news day I wonder how long it will take before they start targeting Child Benefit, a subject they studiously avoided discussing in any depth. Working tax credit must also be vulnerable.
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 9:46:27 GMT 1
They refused to discuss anything to do with cuts in length - that's why I feel those that voted for them have been conned big time. Never mind we are, apparently, in line to become a United country!!!!!!!!
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 9, 2015 10:07:03 GMT 1
Well looks like its started already - Department of Work and Pensions has today published plans to abolish a financial support programme to help disabled people back into work. Bloody disabled people trying to get into work - good to see Ian Duncan Smith cutting back on that kind of thing and putting the proposals out on a slow news day I wonder how long it will take before they start targeting Child Benefit, a subject they studiously avoided discussing in any depth. Working tax credit must also be vulnerable. Spot on those are exactly the two areas they'll go for. HB, DLA, Incapacity and PIP have proved extremely difficult to cut. Average Child Benefit spend pa currently? About £12bn. Coincidence?, Surely not ........
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Post by venceremos on May 9, 2015 11:14:30 GMT 1
It was dishonest and an insult to the electorate's intelligence not to reveal their planned spending cuts. "We haven't done the work yet" was the reason given. That was truly pathetic.
But hey, we were all scared of the Scottish so that was a lucky escape, wasn't it?
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Post by venceremos on May 9, 2015 11:19:38 GMT 1
I think they actually backed the coalition but hoped it would be a bit more liberal this time. I found that feeble and ridiculous. They endorsed an outcome of the expected post-election negotiations - as if anyone could vote for "the coalition". But then the "Independent" is owned by a Russian non-dom who'd no doubt have been affected by Labour's plans and the mansion tax. Not that the paper could possibly have been influenced by that of course, no sir. His other paper, the Standard, came out for the Tories.
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 11:35:29 GMT 1
It was dishonest and an insult to the electorate's intelligence not to reveal their planned spending cuts. "We haven't done the work yet" was the reason given. That was truly pathetic. But hey, we were all scared of the Scottish so that was a lucky escape, wasn't it? They've had five years to do the work so that's rubbish!!!! Presumably when they've done the work, we will hear the well known phrase or saying ....... when we over from the last government (coalition) we didn't realise how bad it was ...........!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by claphamshrew on May 9, 2015 11:40:02 GMT 1
However unpalatable the upcoming cuts may be, they are going to have to happen. We cannot continue to spend more than we earn, I for one do not want to pass on a milestone of spiralling debt to my children and that is the view of the electorate who have endorsed the Tory’s plans for a further 5 years. Were you aware that Osborne borrowed more in his first three years as chancellor than Labour did in its preceding 13 years in government?
Not sure on the point you are making here - many argue he should have borrowed more in the years after the crash Its a nice sound bite but in reality it doesn't mean anything
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Post by jamo on May 9, 2015 12:02:43 GMT 1
Sorry. 'Chubby Lembit Opik' was a reference to our local 'UNITE' rep who occasionally trolls these boards with his nonsense. Think Lembit Opik with thinning hair and a bigger waistband. That's your fella. Look, if you're going to get personal at least get the union and the the role right. Don't take it personally Nicko, I'm sure that UNITE are a decent enough union and that you represent it admirably Although to be fair to B&A's resident flat track bully I did think you'd put a couple of pounds on when I saw you at Cheltenham You really need to start worrying when he treatens to report you to your employer, proper scary that is
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 9, 2015 12:18:07 GMT 1
My older daughter who is deputy head of a nursery school is making plans for when she loses her job.
The Tories are talking about 'early years care' instead of 'early years education' and it appears that their plan is to close nursery schools, sack qualified teachers and replace them with nursery nurses on minimum wage while re-labelling the schools as care facilities.
My daughter has a first class maths degree and should not have great difficulty finding a job. However, she and her colleagues have a vocation to help deprived children and she teaches in a low income part of Stockport. The school already provides services such as clothes washing for people who have had their power cut off and runs a fund to assist people whose benefits have been arbitrarily removed.
So the probability is that not only will these people have a source of practical assistance removed from their community, their children will be deprived of chance of improving their lives through getting a decent start on the educational ladder.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 12:23:11 GMT 1
At least IDS won't be able to rely on the vile Esther McVey any more to assist him in his benefit cuts. The voters in Wirral West booted her out.
Horrible woman. Calls Prescott and others for being sexist whilst using every photo opportunity to full advantage. Look at the video of her and the other candidates at the declaration of her constituency result. Extremely expensive dress showing off her legs and standing like those girls at Premier League darts with one leg in front of the other in a model pose.
Wants to get back to being an M.P. as soon as possible as she has indicated a desire to have Cameron's job once he packs it in.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 9, 2015 12:36:04 GMT 1
You're all just lucky I'm not in charge. If I was : -
I'd cut the number of MPs to 450. Why do we need all these bloodsuckers? Scotland and Wales now have their own parliaments, as well as European MPs. So they're doing less work, but they're all still in place, with their second home allowance in their Sisters attic, expense claims without having to produce receipts. I might try that Juan with my accountant and see how I get on.
Withdraw from the European Union. The late Trade Union leader, Bob Crowe, was spot on. We're chucking billions at a load of nonsense in Brussels, when in my neck of the woods, Church Stretton is being forced to move it's library to the edge of town, despite fierce local opposition, making it difficult for the infirm and elderly to get to. Our swimming baths have had their hours cut. Around the country, police, fire stations and other local services are facing restricted hours or closure. The European Union is making Britain a low wage economy, while the boys at the top are coining it. If someone has built up a successful business, good luck to them, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of working people. I just wish you were still here to fight our corner Bob.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 12:52:24 GMT 1
You're all just lucky I'm not in charge. If I was : -
I'd cut the number of MPs to 450. Why do we need all these bloodsuckers? Scotland and Wales now have their own parliaments, as well as European MPs. So they're doing less work, but they're all still in place, with their second home allowance in their Sisters attic, expense claims without having to produce receipts. I might try that Juan with my accountant and see how I get on.
Withdraw from the European Union. The late Trade Union leader, Bob Crowe, was spot on. We're chucking billions at a load of nonsense in Brussels, when in my neck of the woods, Church Stretton is being forced to move it's library to the edge of town, despite fierce local opposition, making it difficult for the infirm and elderly to get to. Our swimming baths have had their hours cut. Around the country, police, fire stations and other local services are facing restricted hours or closure. The European Union is making Britain a low wage economy, while the boys at the top are coining it. If someone has built up a successful business, good luck to them, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of working people. I just wish you were still here to fight our corner Bob. I think Cameron is talking about reducing the number of M.Ps to 600, but I agree this can be taken much further. Scr@p all the Police Commissioners. No one really wants them, hardly anyone votes for them, and all that it's achieved is another layer of bureaucracy. I live in Wales and they are talking about increasing the numbers and salaries of the Members of the Welsh Assembly. Now whilst I accept that we benefit from free prescriptions and free hospital parking, we most certainly do not benefit from a far worse Health and Education Service than in England and paying 5p for every bloody plastic bag we use! All the Labour controlled Welsh Assembly is is a vehicle for Cameron and his mates to point out what would be likely to happen in England if Labour ever got in power, whilst airbrushing out the inadequate funding given to the Assembly when compared to Scotland or England. And does anyone on here actually know the name of their M.E.P. and where they can be contacted? I certainly don't. And Euro M.Ps don't have to worry about being exposed with regard to their expenses claims. The E.U. rules allow the whole subject to be shrouded in secrecy.
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 12:54:52 GMT 1
My older daughter who is deputy head of a nursery school is making plans for when she loses her job. The Tories are talking about 'early years care' instead of 'early years education' and it appears that their plan is to close nursery schools, sack qualified teachers and replace them with nursery nurses on minimum wage while re-labelling the schools as care facilities. My daughter has a first class maths degree and should not have great difficulty finding a job. However, she and her colleagues have a vocation to help deprived children and she teaches in a low income part of Stockport. The school already provides services such as clothes washing for people who have had their power cut off and runs a fund to assist people whose benefits have been arbitrarily removed. So the probability is that not only will these people have a source of practical assistance removed from their community, their children will be deprived of chance of improving their lives through getting a decent start on the educational ladder. That is really worrying and confusing. On the one hand they want to improve our children's education so that our youngsters are on a par with other countries when they leave education and on the other they apparently want to give them the worst start possible by employing non teachers at one of the most crucial stages of their educational lives - the very beginning!!!! i suspect our privately educated, select politicians for all their money can't do 'joined up writing' yet!!!!!
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 12:59:14 GMT 1
The use of non-teachers (cheap) is expanding.
Those new schools set up by parents can use them and I think so can Academies.
Meanwhile, qualified teachers when used by schools as supply teachers are no longer paid qualified teacher rates or even worse downgraded to Teaching Assistant status with a consequent reduction in wages.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 13:12:02 GMT 1
And speaking of Tony Blair, there is a salutary tale from his time at Fettes school which gives an early insight into his character. Apparently, Deep Purple were appearing in concert nearby but the headmaster had forbidden anyone to go to watch them. However, in contravention of these instructions, Blair and others climbed over the school wall, attended the concert, but were spotted climbing back over the wall later on. Eventually, all the miscreants were summoned to the headmaster's office and all were caned. Bar one..Blair. The suspicion is that Blair was able to avoid punishment by supplying the names of all the others involved to the headmaster. Scoundrel.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 13:14:41 GMT 1
In my opinion Mr L.S.F is a font of knowledge and great wisdom. I am looking forward to him advising me who to vote for in future elections.
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 13:45:52 GMT 1
In my opinion Mr L.S.F is a font of knowledge and great wisdom. I am looking forward to him advising me who to vote for in future elections. I assume you are living up to your user name here!!!!!!
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Post by ssshrew on May 9, 2015 13:46:50 GMT 1
The use of non-teachers (cheap) is expanding. Those new schools set up by parents can use them and I think so can Academies. Meanwhile, qualified teachers when used by schools as supply teachers are no longer paid qualified teacher rates or even worse downgraded to Teaching Assistant status with a consequent reduction in wages. Indeed which makes them wanting education to be great and equal for all even more hypocritical.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 13:47:33 GMT 1
sarcasm? heaven forbid!
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2015 13:54:55 GMT 1
The use of non-teachers (cheap) is expanding. Those new schools set up by parents can use them and I think so can Academies. Meanwhile, qualified teachers when used by schools as supply teachers are no longer paid qualified teacher rates or even worse downgraded to Teaching Assistant status with a consequent reduction in wages. Indeed which makes them wanting education to be great and equal for all even more hypocritical. As a Lecturer in Colleges for near enough 40 years I've seen at 1st hand how educational standards have seriously declined during that period. Dumbing down is the popular phrase used in the press, and it's not too far off the mark. Net result..although there are some excellent contributors on this Board with regard to the subject of politics, I'd hazard a guess that most are advanced in years and are not spending most of their time on texting, social networks, video games or programmes like X Factor or reality TV, none of which are likely to give them a working knowledge of the political system. And from my recent experience the standard of general knowledge of a large number of teenagers is little short of abysmal. Most have only the vaguest knowledge of politics, and know little on quite a number of other subjects as well. So what on earth are the schools doing with them? Answer..being obliged to stick to a rigid formula of testing their pupils on prescribed information and meeting targets. General education is put on the back burner.
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