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Post by mattmw on Aug 21, 2014 21:54:54 GMT 1
10,000 texts? Certainly hope he was on a contract with free text messages or it will cost him a fortune
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 21, 2014 22:09:04 GMT 1
No wish to cause you any embarrassment, Ned, but when Mackay left, didn't you take a quote from Lord Percy of Blackadder fame, when he said, "There was no evidence against young Mackay at all, it was an outrageous travesty of justice". I'm not sure if there's a joke, but no I did not. Malky is guilty, we all know it. Dunno if he's guilty of anything or not. I'm talking about when he left Cardiff. You seemed to be a fan of his back then.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 21, 2014 22:54:45 GMT 1
Why is that shocking? The High Court has to issue the warrant so due process must be adhered to, you can't just get a warrant on a whim. Isn't it like seeking an injunction? Essentially one party to the dispute is seeking to safeguard the evidence. Nothing shocking or dangerous in that and it seems like the other side has caved in anyway, which suggests the evidence is likely to be conclusive. Not sure why Cardiff should be the villains of this piece, unless anyone has a particular anti-Cardiff agenda - or is just trying to wind up somebody on here. Yes but they were looking for one thing and stumbled across another..... as stated above (by me) the concern is the change in law making phone and internet records available giving the fight against terrorism as the reason... I'm entirely in agreement with anyone concerned about the "fight against terrorism" being used as a convenient rationale for anything and everything the authorities want to do. Was that the case here though? The report I heard was that the investigators were looking into allegations of financial irregularities when they came upon the incriminating texts. I'm struggling to see any civil liberties issue here, except possibly in the release of details to the press, although they would come out in open court during proceedings anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:06:17 GMT 1
I'm not sure if there's a joke, but no I did not. Malky is guilty, we all know it. Dunno if he's guilty of anything or not. I'm talking about when he left Cardiff. You seemed to be a fan of his back then. I was, every Cardiff fan was! That was before we found out the truth about him, as written in the Mail today. He played the press and the fans very well.
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Post by camdenshrew on Aug 22, 2014 3:04:55 GMT 1
Truly astonishing stuff from the LMA. What a bunch of self-serving shysters.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Aug 22, 2014 5:38:44 GMT 1
LMA have shot themselves in the foot with that statement. Facing an outpouring of scorn and anger.
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Post by calimero on Aug 22, 2014 8:09:48 GMT 1
Terrible from the LMA. With regards the search of his house a lawyer friend told me law firms can obtain a warrant in order to preserve evidence in civil cases. Obviously have to convince a judge that it's necessary though.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 22, 2014 8:52:49 GMT 1
I guess if they'd found child porn they'd have to report it, no matter what they had been looking for.
I do wonder why they kept all the messages. Even a basic break in by a local crack addict could have seen this on the front page of the Sun.
I thought the way he backed down and apologised was very odd.
It sort of puts the Vincent Tan bond villain stuff on the ropes too.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 22, 2014 9:56:01 GMT 1
Dunno if he's guilty of anything or not. I'm talking about when he left Cardiff. You seemed to be a fan of his back then. I was, every Cardiff fan was! That was before we found out the truth about him, as written in the Mail today. He played the press and the fans very well. So can we straighten a few of things up here now? Are you now saying that Malky is not fit manage in football ever again? Are you now a Tan fanboy again? Are you happy to see your club dragged through the sh**e for the foreseeable future? And most importantly do you believe anything the Daily Fail is ever actually the truth, the whole truth and nothing bu the truth?
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Post by siabod on Aug 22, 2014 9:57:04 GMT 1
I wonder if TP had become of problems ahead when he left.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:31:01 GMT 1
Literally a ridiculous use of the word 'literally'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:25:18 GMT 1
I was, every Cardiff fan was! That was before we found out the truth about him, as written in the Mail today. He played the press and the fans very well. So can we straighten a few of things up here now? Are you now saying that Malky is not fit manage in football ever again? Are you now a Tan fanboy again? Are you happy to see your club dragged through the sh**e for the foreseeable future? And most importantly do you believe anything the Daily Fail is ever actually the truth, the whole truth and nothing bu the truth? 1) you're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really want to work for a racist? 2) no, Vincent Tan is still a prick. 3) I'm hoping this story is the end. 4) The Daily Mail have been spot on with Cardiff City these last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:13:15 GMT 1
Cardiff are s**t!!!
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 22, 2014 13:21:41 GMT 1
So can we straighten a few of things up here now? Are you now saying that Malky is not fit manage in football ever again? Are you now a Tan fanboy again? Are you happy to see your club dragged through the sh**e for the foreseeable future? And most importantly do you believe anything the Daily Fail is ever actually the truth, the whole truth and nothing bu the truth? 1) you're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really want to work for a racist? 2) no, Vincent Tan is still a prick. 3) I'm hoping this story is the end. 4) The Daily Mail have been spot on with Cardiff City these last few years. You're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really turn down any chance to play professional football? Quite right, Tan is a prick, but you'll still hand over your hard earned to him You really believe that? Dreamer. The Daily Fail* wouldn't know to how print the whole unadulterated truth even if they could bother themselves to find it. *Other equally inept and corrupt publications are available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:21:39 GMT 1
Club Statement from Cardiff City:
We had not intended to comment on matters which have been reported in the press over the last two days in relation to Malky Mackay and Iain Moody. However, following the statement released by the LMA last night we feel compelled to respond. The LMA is the representative voice of managers, and whilst we understand it seeks to act in the best interests of its members, one of its major aims is to "encourage honourable practice, conduct and courtesy in all professional activity”. Regrettably, we feel that the LMA has done no such thing in its representation of Mr Mackay and Mr Moody. The LMA were aware of the allegations from the morning of the search order, and their lawyers acted for Mr Mackay and Mr Moody throughout the legal process. That the LMA has sought to criticise the Club for the timing of the report to the FA is preposterous, because the offensive communications have been in the knowledge and possession of the LMA for many months. When the messages came to light, over three months ago, the Club strongly encouraged and advised Mr Moody and Mr Mackay to deal with the issue directly with the FA. It was made clear to them, and their LMA appointed lawyers, that the nature of the communications meant the Club was under a duty to report their findings to the FA if they did not take appropriate action themselves. Nevertheless, with the backing of the LMA, Mr Moody and Mr Mackay chose to do nothing. The LMA were therefore complicit in the attempt to conceal these messages (of which there were many more than the two isolated texts acknowledged by Mr Mackay). We also point out that the LMA members have a ‘Code of Conduct’ incorporated into their managerial contracts. One of the requirements is “A Manager shall not use racist or other discriminatory language. A Manager’s behaviour should demonstrate to Players and other employees under his control that discrimination in any form is unacceptable.” We therefore find it entirely reprehensible that the LMA should itself put out a statement which seeks to dismiss deeply offensive racist comments as 'friendly banter'. If that is the view held by the LMA, as appears from its statement, we consider that Richard Bevan’s position is untenable and we call for his resignation. [ENDS] www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-on-lma-1858687.aspx#1FJv7lzp8q1JpDQR.99
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 22, 2014 13:21:55 GMT 1
These messages have come to light because of an investigation into fraud, not because of an investigation into racism, sexism and homophobia.
I'd not be surprised if this sort of laddish ignorant unpleasantness is widespread within football and expect that texts and emails are now being deleted by the thousands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:23:15 GMT 1
1) you're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really want to work for a racist? 2) no, Vincent Tan is still a prick. 3) I'm hoping this story is the end. 4) The Daily Mail have been spot on with Cardiff City these last few years. You're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really turn down any chance to play professional football? Quite right, Tan is a prick, but you'll still hand over your hard earned to him You really believe that? Dreamer. The Daily Fail* wouldn't know to how print the whole unadulterated truth even if they could bother themselves to find it. *Other equally inept and corrupt publications are available. In response to that, do you not go to Shrewsbury Town matches because of the current badge situation?
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 22, 2014 13:39:40 GMT 1
You're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really turn down any chance to play professional football? Quite right, Tan is a prick, but you'll still hand over your hard earned to him You really believe that? Dreamer. The Daily Fail* wouldn't know to how print the whole unadulterated truth even if they could bother themselves to find it. *Other equally inept and corrupt publications are available. In response to that, do you not go to Shrewsbury Town matches because of the current badge situation? In the last 7 years I have spent £0 in the club shop. I have been to around 20 games in that time several of them away from home. Aren't going to bother answering my other points then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:52:55 GMT 1
1) you're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really want to work for a racist? 2) no, Vincent Tan is still a prick. 3) I'm hoping this story is the end. 4) The Daily Mail have been spot on with Cardiff City these last few years. You're a young player from an ethnic minority, would you really turn down any chance to play professional football? Quite right, Tan is a prick, but you'll still hand over your hard earned to him You really believe that? Dreamer. The Daily Fail* wouldn't know to how print the whole unadulterated truth even if they could bother themselves to find it. *Other equally inept and corrupt publications are available. 1) no you wouldn't turn down the opportunity, but you wouldn't feel comfortable working under someone like Malky Mackay 2) I will continue to go to matches - just as 20,000 others have in our first two home games. 3) like I say, the Daily Mail have been spot on with Cardiff City and are good with football, in general.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 22, 2014 14:10:05 GMT 1
Luis Suarez was proven to be a racist whilst at Liverpool, but that didn't stop the likes of Sturridge and Stirling hugging him whenever he scored a goal. See also John Terry, Milan Baros, Luis Aragones, Sergio Busquets or Peter Schmeichel.
A few private text messages out of several thousand hardly make the man the football equivalent of Nick Griffin. Being blown out of all proportion by rags like the Fail and football fans are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:12:16 GMT 1
Luis Suarez was proven to be a racist whilst at Liverpool, but that didn't stop the likes of Sturridge and Stirling hugging him whenever he scored a goal. See also John Terry, Milan Baros, Luis Aragones, Sergio Busquets or Peter Schmeichel. A few private text messages out of several thousand hardly make the man the football equivalent of Nick Griffin. Being blown out of all proportion by rags like the Fail and football fans are falling for it hook, line and sinker. So, you think being racist is fine? You think people will get over it in time, so no harm done? You're as bad as the LMA.
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Post by siabod on Aug 22, 2014 14:32:31 GMT 1
Luis Suarez was proven to be a racist whilst at Liverpool, but that didn't stop the likes of Sturridge and Stirling hugging him whenever he scored a goal. See also John Terry, Milan Baros, Luis Aragones, Sergio Busquets or Peter Schmeichel. A few private text messages out of several thousand hardly make the man the football equivalent of Nick Griffin. Being blown out of all proportion by rags like the Fail and football fans are falling for it hook, line and sinker. Thank goodness you have all the facts to hand so can say "being blown up out of all proportion etc.etc", let us in on a few of your snippets of information. Guess you really don't have more info than the rest of us but continue to post just to get back at another poster. If it is blown up why does MM keep apologising, why have the LMA (allegedly) sat on the info for 3 months why has the other party left Crystal Palace with immediate effect at a time when most people would want to hang on to their jobs, why were Crystal Palace fined over the team info leak ? You may be correct but I would GUESS that there is a lot more to this than we have been told at the moment, we never be told unless of course you are privy to further information.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 22, 2014 14:57:30 GMT 1
Luis Suarez was proven to be a racist whilst at Liverpool, but that didn't stop the likes of Sturridge and Stirling hugging him whenever he scored a goal. See also John Terry, Milan Baros, Luis Aragones, Sergio Busquets or Peter Schmeichel. A few private text messages out of several thousand hardly make the man the football equivalent of Nick Griffin. Being blown out of all proportion by rags like the Fail and football fans are falling for it hook, line and sinker. Thank goodness you have all the facts to hand so can say "being blown up out of all proportion etc.etc", let us in on a few of your snippets of information. Guess you really don't have more info than the rest of us but continue to post just to get back at another poster. If it is blown up why does MM keep apologising, why have the LMA (allegedly) sat on the info for 3 months why has the other party left Crystal Palace with immediate effect at a time when most people would want to hang on to their jobs, why were Crystal Palace fined over the team info leak ? You may be correct but I would GUESS that there is a lot more to this than we have been told at the moment, we never be told unless of course you are privy to further information. That is my main argument, no-one KNOWS the full facts. The Fail give out headline grabbing snippets and as I said we are all dragged in by them. No-one, Mackay, Moody, the LMA or Cardiff are covering themselves in glory with this fiasco and the sooner it is all out of the press the better for everyone concerned and football in general. I'm not suggesting that it is swept under the carpet, but does everyones dirty laundry have to be scrutinised with such vigour and so publicly. Racism doesn't have any place in football, but neither does corruption, but the FA don't seem to have a problem letting ex-criminals and fraudsters take over football clubs and I personally think that this a bigger stain on the game than a few private text messages.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 22, 2014 15:16:43 GMT 1
Didn't Man United fans sing a song about Ji Sung Park eating dogs for several years?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 17:29:36 GMT 1
Malky Mackay was in a position where supporters and players look up to him. He is the face of the football club. It is gross misconduct. It's a big difference. He is indefensible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:10:49 GMT 1
Malky Mackay was in a position where supporters and players look up to him. He is the face of the football club. I bet his face went Red when it came out
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:21:12 GMT 1
Malky Mackay was in a position where supporters and players look up to him. He is the face of the football club. It is gross misconduct. It's a big difference. He is indefensible. What do you think Craig will make of Malcolm's misdemeanours?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:31:43 GMT 1
Has everyone condemning Mackay never received/sent a Racist,Homophobic,Sexist,Irish,Welsh,Scottish or Disability Joke,listened to one and laughed in a Bar or on TV however slightly or not told one in private in their whole life,never sang about Welshmen and Farm Animals? Unless you can honestly say no to all then your a hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:43:18 GMT 1
Has everyone condemning Mackay never received/sent a Racist,Homophobic,Sexist,Irish,Welsh,Scottish or Disability Joke,listened to one and laughed in a Bar or on TV however slightly or not told one in private in their whole life,never sang about Welshmen and Farm Animals? Unless you can honestly say no to all then your a hypocrite. No, I haven't.
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