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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 23:33:39 GMT 1
Literally in shock.
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Post by theshrews81 on Aug 21, 2014 4:10:06 GMT 1
Hmmm one soon to be ex Director of football and one now seemingly unemployable ex football manager.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 21, 2014 7:01:54 GMT 1
I find a lot of that absolutely bizarre.
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Post by vanner on Aug 21, 2014 7:13:03 GMT 1
Oh and I apologise I forgot.
Cardiff are s**t.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 21, 2014 7:14:19 GMT 1
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 21, 2014 8:05:53 GMT 1
This is a genuine question, and in no way whatsoever justifying this behaviour.
But if Cardiff have reported them for bringing the game into disrepute our whatever, for their private text messages, where is the line drawn?
I mean, obviously the racist stuff is off the charts, but there is plenty you might say in a private message that you wouldn't say publicly.
Like the FA being a bunch of incompetent numpties.
If that's your private view, expressed privately, how can that bring the game into disrepute?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 21, 2014 8:06:41 GMT 1
And if they have reported it to the FA, who gave it to the press?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 8:44:07 GMT 1
My thoughts are with you. From your posts where you refer to him simply as Malky it is obvious you are very close to him. It's a sad day when the name of such a great club as The Cardiff Red Dragons is brought into disrepute.
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Post by atcham jack on Aug 21, 2014 9:08:19 GMT 1
this proves Cardiff are s**t and if palace had any guts they would have employed him. looks as though Fulham need someone pdq. Cardiff really are the pits and s**t.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 21, 2014 9:30:50 GMT 1
The thing that concerns me is the London legal team that got a warrant to search their homes. WTF. I was under the impression that only the authorities could do s**t like that. How can it be right that a bunch of lawyers can demand access to your home?
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 9:46:52 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!!
Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself?
The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 21, 2014 10:46:01 GMT 1
this proves Cardiff are s**t and if palace had any guts they would have employed him. looks as though Fulham need someone pdq. Cardiff really are the pits and s**t. What are you on about?! If palace employed him after this came to light it would be suicidal! Not exactly going to be respected by the players there let alone those that are from other backgrounds. The various claims against agents would be recognised by them too - they might already have clients at palace but would not want to see others go there. And their reputation among fans and the wider media would be pretty awful!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 21, 2014 10:47:15 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me I can only assume they are work devices and then can be seized? Otherwise you have a good point!
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 10:59:28 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me I can only assume they are work devices and then can be seized? Otherwise you have a good point! possible but unlikely, they both left Cardiff nearly 12 months ago, you would have thought they'd have to return IT equipment and phones and if company phone or computer the information would have been available without seizing the device you would have thought
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Aug 21, 2014 12:43:43 GMT 1
I can't be the only one who was a little bit taken a back when Mackay completely U-turned on taking legal action against Cardiff and what seemed quite bizarre at the time, apologised for 'the behaviour that lead to his sacking' before heaping praise on how much of a good owner Vincent Tan was.
This seems to have all come about because Tan wasn't happy that Cardiff paid over the market value for players. Money I'm assuming he sanctioned for the transfers but conveniently changed his mind when it all started to go tits up.
Excuse my ignorance but market value for the transfer of any football player is entirely subjective or at best relative to similar transactions that have taken place. It can never be more scientific than that. If Mario Balotelli is valued at £16m, how on earth is Ross McMormack worth £14m? Or Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, the list goes on.
Call me a cynic but this doesn't quite sit right with me. 70,000 texts messages? What tariff would Mackay be on exactly? Probably one that costs more than Andreas Cornelius did.
It doesn't half worry you that the high court would sanction a dawn raid of someones property when the accusations are flakey at best.
And what's this, agents taking considerable sums of money for little or no involvement in a transfer? In other news, bear sh*ts in forest.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2014 14:51:34 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me What is being investigated here though? Are we sure that the offence is trivial? Isn't this because of some transfers the pair of them were involved in whilst at Cardiff together? You say non criminal case but perhaps that's not the case. I have no idea, like. But when large amounts of money are being pushed about...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2014 14:54:39 GMT 1
This is a genuine question, and in no way whatsoever justifying this behaviour. But if Cardiff have reported them for bringing the game into disrepute our whatever, for their private text messages, where is the line drawn? I mean, obviously the racist stuff is off the charts, but there is plenty you might say in a private message that you wouldn't say publicly. Like the FA being a bunch of incompetent numpties. If that's your private view, expressed privately, how can that bring the game into disrepute? Yeah, it'll be interesting considering Scudamore wasn't that interested in resigning after there were calls for him to do so (after the content of those emails came to light). Mackay is in good company...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:02:58 GMT 1
It's not just the private messages.
It's also the fact they withheld vital information with agent fees. Pretty sure that breaks the league's rules.
Vincent Tan said a few months ago: "Today, Malky is a hero. Tomorrow he will be a zero. The truth will come out, I assure you."
Seems that he was right, on this occasion.
Disgusted in Malky Mackay and Iain Moody - the pair should never work in football again.
Check out these tweets from ex-Cardiff player Ibby Farah:
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 21, 2014 15:13:37 GMT 1
It's not just the private messages. It's also the fact they withheld vital information with agent fees. Pretty sure that breaks the league's rules. Vincent Tan said a few months ago: "Today, Malky is a hero. Tomorrow he will be a zero. The truth will come out, I assure you." Seems that he was right, on this occasion. Disgusted in Malky Mackay and Iain Moody - the pair should never work in football again. Check out these tweets from ex-Cardiff player Ibby Farah: /photo/1 I notice the little quote from 'Malky' has disappeared from your signature. Fickle or what, or is that you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty? BTW Cardiff are s**t. edit to add. Just googled Ibrahim Farah and there is absolutely no chance on earth that sour grapes are involved. Dumped by Cardiff for being rubbish, even when on loan to Tamworth, failed a trial at Birmingham and is currently showcasing his talents for Carmarthen in the Welsh Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:28:50 GMT 1
It's not just the private messages. It's also the fact they withheld vital information with agent fees. Pretty sure that breaks the league's rules. Vincent Tan said a few months ago: "Today, Malky is a hero. Tomorrow he will be a zero. The truth will come out, I assure you." Seems that he was right, on this occasion. Disgusted in Malky Mackay and Iain Moody - the pair should never work in football again. Check out these tweets from ex-Cardiff player Ibby Farah: /photo/1 I notice the little quote from 'Malky' has disappeared from your signature. Fickle or what, or is that you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty? BTW Cardiff are s**t. edit to add. Just googled Ibrahim Farah and there is absolutely no chance on earth that sour grapes are involved. Dumped by Cardiff for being rubbish, even when on loan to Tamworth, failed a trial at Birmingham and is currently showcasing his talents for Carmarthen in the Welsh Prem. Got rid of the Malky quote a few months ago actually. Farah is not just saying it for sour grapes, pretty sure he's said things like that before. Nat Jarvis and Jon Parkin have also said things.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 21, 2014 15:49:15 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me Why is that shocking? The High Court has to issue the warrant so due process must be adhered to, you can't just get a warrant on a whim. Isn't it like seeking an injunction? Essentially one party to the dispute is seeking to safeguard the evidence. Nothing shocking or dangerous in that and it seems like the other side has caved in anyway, which suggests the evidence is likely to be conclusive. Not sure why Cardiff should be the villains of this piece, unless anyone has a particular anti-Cardiff agenda - or is just trying to wind up somebody on here.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 21, 2014 15:55:31 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me Why is that shocking? The High Court has to issue the warrant so due process must be adhered to, you can't just get a warrant on a whim. Isn't it like seeking an injunction? Essentially one party to the dispute is seeking to safeguard the evidence. Nothing shocking or dangerous in that and it seems like the other side has caved in anyway, which suggests the evidence is likely to be conclusive. Not sure why Cardiff should be the villains of this piece, unless anyone has a particular anti-Cardiff agenda - or is just trying to wind up somebody on here. An anti-Cardiff agenda? Winding up our resident Tan suck-up? Moi? Of course there's a bloody anti-Cardiff agenda, this is a Shrewsbury Town forum FFS. By the way did anyone mention that Cardiff are s**t?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 19:18:36 GMT 1
Something fishy here. Who is the ''Law firm'' Could this be a set up by Vincent Tan who has withheld all this in till the very day he almost gets a Job?What was wrong with the other 8 months?Spygate Palace and Cardiff. Didn't Tan also hire Cardiff heavy's and hooligans to intimidate the original anti-red protesters? He is successful in business as he has a way of getting what he wants is it from fear or respect? Is it Tan ensuring Malky stays down and Tan making sure he doesn't look stupid when Mackay succeeds after Tan sacked him? The C4 documentary a few years ago on how dodgy Asian investors who wouldn't pass the ''fit & proper''test named three Club's that would be available:Birmingham City,Sheffield United and guess who? Set up or not the Daily Mail has got a story either way. Although when the first post mentioned Racism,Sexism and Homophobic with Dily Mail in the link I thought it was a letter to the editor from it's favourite Political Party.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 19:19:37 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me What is being investigated here though? Are we sure that the offence is trivial? Isn't this because of some transfers the pair of them were involved in whilst at Cardiff together? You say non criminal case but perhaps that's not the case. I have no idea, like. But when large amounts of money are being pushed about... yes but hardly a threat to the country which is the reason given for a new law being rushed through a few weeks ago to make phone and internet companies save all records and make them available.... Whats more likely is that a certain unpopular chairman with loads of dosh has used the legal system to rake up dirt on Makay & Moody and stumbled across said texts and e mails
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 19:22:53 GMT 1
I'm in total shock that a law firm can get a warrant to access computer and phone records for such trivial offences! Yes it might be important to the FA and the owners of Cardiff City although mainly for the mad man owner to get revenge (am I allowed to say that?) but for Chris's sake they're trying to make it law that phone and computer records are kept and made available, they say as a way to combat terrorism yet allow it to be used for in whats possibly a non criminal case...... and if criminal, minor and harmless to others as they weren't in the public domain... Football espionage oh my god!! Hang them both!! Then they find texts and or e mails that are sexist, homophobic and or even racist so what? Whats that got to do with the investigation the warrant was issued for? And how the hell is it then given to the newspapers so quickly? surely an offence in itself? The fact that what really amounts to private conversations by text (however distasteful) can be discovered by some private investigator from a law firm hired by an individual with a grudge can then be released to the media without any criminal investigation astounds me Why is that shocking? The High Court has to issue the warrant so due process must be adhered to, you can't just get a warrant on a whim. Isn't it like seeking an injunction? Essentially one party to the dispute is seeking to safeguard the evidence. Nothing shocking or dangerous in that and it seems like the other side has caved in anyway, which suggests the evidence is likely to be conclusive. Not sure why Cardiff should be the villains of this piece, unless anyone has a particular anti-Cardiff agenda - or is just trying to wind up somebody on here. Yes but they were looking for one thing and stumbled across another..... as stated above (by me) the concern is the change in law making phone and internet records available giving the fight against terrorism as the reason...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:29:20 GMT 1
LMA statement below. Embarrassing from them: The LMA wish to clarify the position in relation to recent reports and speculation regarding matters alleged to have arisen during Malky Mackay’s time at Cardiff City FC. In the course of a search by the Club in early 2014 of 10,000 private text messages sent to and from another member of staff during Mr Mackay’s employment at Cardiff, in relation to other matters, it emerged that Malky had, it seems, sent a couple of one line texts that were, with the benefit of hindsight, very regrettable and disrespectful of other cultures. These were two text messages sent in private at a time Malky felt under great pressure and when he was letting off steam to a friend during some friendly text message banter. That said, Malky believes he could and should have conducted himself better on these two isolated occasions. The precise details need to remain private for the time being until any FA process is complete. The LMA does not condone in any way any potential breach of equal opportunities laws but would also point out that out of over 10,000 text messages and 70,000 documents produced over a long period of time it may not be a complete surprise that some inappropriate comments can sometimes be made by employees, like Malky, working under great pressure in highly charged situations. If Malky has caused any offence by these two isolated matters he would, however, wish to sincerely apologise. Malky finds it strange that these matters were only raised with the FA and in the media now, 8 months after his employment ended and the day before he was reported as being offered the opportunity to become manager of Crystal Palace FC. Malky is also very concerned about seriously inaccurate and misleading reports of his alleged involvement in these matters in the media. It has never been alleged that he wrote any homophobic or sexist messages and he has confirmed that he did not do so. Further, there are incorrect and damaging suggestions that he sent a whole host of offensive and unpleasant messages that are simply not true and which give a grossly distorted and unfair view of Malky’s involvement in this matter. Malky looks forward to matters being put straight in due course, following any investigation of this matter. Malky cannot of course comment on the nature of any conduct or communications alleged to have been made by others. Malky has said that he will be fully co-operating with any FA investigation and that he looks forward to putting the record straight thereafter. www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html
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Post by TheFoz on Aug 21, 2014 20:58:06 GMT 1
LMA statement below. Embarrassing from them: The LMA wish to clarify the position in relation to recent reports and speculation regarding matters alleged to have arisen during Malky Mackay’s time at Cardiff City FC. In the course of a search by the Club in early 2014 of 10,000 private text messages sent to and from another member of staff during Mr Mackay’s employment at Cardiff, in relation to other matters, it emerged that Malky had, it seems, sent a couple of one line texts that were, with the benefit of hindsight, very regrettable and disrespectful of other cultures. These were two text messages sent in private at a time Malky felt under great pressure and when he was letting off steam to a friend during some friendly text message banter. That said, Malky believes he could and should have conducted himself better on these two isolated occasions. The precise details need to remain private for the time being until any FA process is complete. The LMA does not condone in any way any potential breach of equal opportunities laws but would also point out that out of over 10,000 text messages and 70,000 documents produced over a long period of time it may not be a complete surprise that some inappropriate comments can sometimes be made by employees, like Malky, working under great pressure in highly charged situations. If Malky has caused any offence by these two isolated matters he would, however, wish to sincerely apologise. Malky finds it strange that these matters were only raised with the FA and in the media now, 8 months after his employment ended and the day before he was reported as being offered the opportunity to become manager of Crystal Palace FC. Malky is also very concerned about seriously inaccurate and misleading reports of his alleged involvement in these matters in the media. It has never been alleged that he wrote any homophobic or sexist messages and he has confirmed that he did not do so. Further, there are incorrect and damaging suggestions that he sent a whole host of offensive and unpleasant messages that are simply not true and which give a grossly distorted and unfair view of Malky’s involvement in this matter. Malky looks forward to matters being put straight in due course, following any investigation of this matter. Malky cannot of course comment on the nature of any conduct or communications alleged to have been made by others. Malky has said that he will be fully co-operating with any FA investigation and that he looks forward to putting the record straight thereafter. www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 21, 2014 21:04:49 GMT 1
LMA statement below. Embarrassing from them: The LMA wish to clarify the position in relation to recent reports and speculation regarding matters alleged to have arisen during Malky Mackay’s time at Cardiff City FC. No wish to cause you any embarrassment, Ned, but when Mackay left, didn't you take a quote from Lord Percy of Blackadder fame, when he said, "There was no evidence against young Mackay at all, it was an outrageous travesty of justice".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 21:44:44 GMT 1
LMA statement below. Embarrassing from them: The LMA wish to clarify the position in relation to recent reports and speculation regarding matters alleged to have arisen during Malky Mackay’s time at Cardiff City FC. No wish to cause you any embarrassment, Ned, but when Mackay left, didn't you take a quote from Lord Percy of Blackadder fame, when he said, "There was no evidence against young Mackay at all, it was an outrageous travesty of justice". I'm not sure if there's a joke, but no I did not. Malky is guilty, we all know it.
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