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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 24, 2014 18:17:19 GMT 1
World at his feet at 24, career on the rocks at 27.
This is his chance and he knows Mellon has taken a huge punt on him. Huge.
Who else would sign an overpaid conference reject with a betting ban and a disciplinary problem?
Mangan owes Mellon for this and I'm excited to see how it pans out.
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Post by prawnsarnie on Jul 24, 2014 18:37:46 GMT 1
This could be a fantastic signing. He is obviously keen to play (hence him making the point he will play wherever required up front/ out wide). Seems a typical scouser and might replace JT as the live wire in the dressing room.
welcome aboard, Andy Mangan!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 24, 2014 18:43:45 GMT 1
I'm not going to pretend I've been thrilled with all the players we've been linked with, but once they sign the dotted line they become one of us as far as I'm concerned, so welcome Andy, I hope we can prosper together.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 24, 2014 18:49:21 GMT 1
If all fails he can work in tourism for shropshire. Quote from interview ' shropshire is gorgeous' and he's right!
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 24, 2014 19:55:44 GMT 1
Hmmm....
The one year suggests a 'suck it and see' approach so maybe MM doesn't have unshakable faith in the lad.
It increases our already impressive wage bill further, however we have 4 quality strikers vying for the 2-3 starting berths. So much so there will be several times this season where we may have move striking quality on our bench than our opponents will have starting.
Interesting to hear Mangan say that he can play anywhere across a front 2/3. In the hole behind the main striker and also left or right wing in a 4 man midfield.
Let's hope MM has what it takes to utilise the riches he has at his disposal and perhaps just as important keeping the lads not in the starting 11 and those left in the stand happy. Not many 'squad players' in this 'project'.
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Post by saleshrew on Jul 24, 2014 20:02:31 GMT 1
I guess the keeping them happy bit is where he will earn his corn. But we can't have it both ways. I was first to slate Turner and company for a squad with zero depth, so we now have a high(er) quality problem, and I'd prefer it this way. A season full of high hopes and promise, but nothing achieved yet, so I do find all the I've got faith in Mellon' comments on here somewhat baseless...
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2014 21:43:53 GMT 1
When Rowland gets his bank statement he is going to want to know how MM got his PIN number! Probably a wise decision to offer a one year contract that shows some measure of care with the cash, but just have to hope the Direct Debit to FGR isn't noticed.
What are the "Roland's mean with the cash" folks saying thase days?
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 24, 2014 21:46:30 GMT 1
Like others I'd have preferred a young up and comer with a lower salary and smaller ego; but at 27 he is not over the hill and MM obviously sees a role for him.
Let's hope that he has an extension option on his contract if he turns good - he may owe his chance to MM but I'm sure he'll forget that if he is a free agent at the end of a successful season.
There are going to be some decent players who don't even get on the bench this year - MM really will have his work cut out to keep them happy.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Jul 24, 2014 22:20:01 GMT 1
Contribution to the deal could mean we provided the ink to print the contract. He's probably on a good deal for one year that made it worth his while walking away.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 24, 2014 22:23:01 GMT 1
We probably over the final year of his contract is some way.
So FGR didn't need to pay him off to offload him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 22:52:49 GMT 1
When Rowland gets his bank statement he is going to want to know how MM got his PIN number! Probably a wise decision to offer a one year contract that shows some measure of care with the cash, but just have to hope the Direct Debit to FGR isn't noticed. What are the "Roland's mean with the cash" folks saying thase days? Who knows. Those with half a brain will suggest our wage bill is likely to be similar this season to last season's.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2014 23:06:03 GMT 1
What are the "Roland's mean with the cash" folks saying thase days? Who knows. Those with half a brain will suggest our wage bill is likely to be similar this season to last season's. If it is then those who spent the same amount of money on wages for last years motley crew obviously didn't have half a brain. Maybe JJ, the goalies and Tam were on mega wages that distorted the figures (surely not Winfield) ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:15:54 GMT 1
Who knows. Those with half a brain will suggest our wage bill is likely to be similar this season to last season's. If it is then those who spent the same amount of money on wages for last years motley crew obviously didn't have half a brain. Maybe JJ, the goalies and Tam were on mega wages that distorted the figures (surely not Winfield) ? Don,t agree with you on Winfield, did you see the price of carrots last year, shocking.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 24, 2014 23:32:46 GMT 1
Welcome to Shrewsbury Town Andy Mangan.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2014 23:38:20 GMT 1
If it is then those who spent the same amount of money on wages for last years motley crew obviously didn't have half a brain. Maybe JJ, the goalies and Tam were on mega wages that distorted the figures (surely not Winfield) ? Don,t agree with you on Winfield, did you see the price of carrots last year, shocking. If anyone was daft enough to pay him to feast on fresh carrots then hee-haw ta know better.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 24, 2014 23:38:19 GMT 1
We probably over the final year of his contract is some way. So FGR didn't need to pay him off to offload him. Mangan still has 2 years left to go on a reported 3k deal. Let's hypothesise that we've split the remaining 2 years with FGR. We would still be picking up a 3k per week tab for AM's one year deal. Of course we have no real idea how much we are paying our quartet of strikers but given that JC was on a rumoured 4k at Swindon. Vernon was on 2k at Aberdeen and I would suggest that A-A was on not too much less at Tranmere. We then add the very expensive Mangan to the mix..... These players were 'reported' to be earning a combined 11k recently at previous clubs. Anyone like to hazard a guess what our annual strikers wage bill is shaping up to be this season? As delighted as I am with the new signings, the 'canny scot' inside me is nagging at me. Can we afford it? I can only think that Matt and Mellon have persuaded RW that £1m nest eggs are a luxury we can well do without. Huge backtrack on last years transfer policy of making money available only for players we can improve, develop and ultimately sell on. Delighted to see the back of it. Next years accounts will be fascinating. Wonder how far JT's £250k and saving Wealo's bumper wages will stretch...
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Post by Myddleshrew on Jul 25, 2014 0:07:35 GMT 1
I think this could go either way he could be asensatation or be out the door by Januray. I already like the guy as apprently the day Lee Hughes joined Forest Green he gave him a slap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 6:34:29 GMT 1
We probably over the final year of his contract is some way. So FGR didn't need to pay him off to offload him. Mangan still has 2 years left to go on a reported 3k deal. Let's hypothesise that we've split the remaining 2 years with FGR. We would still be picking up a 3k per week tab for AM's one year deal. Of course we have no real idea how much we are paying our quartet of strikers but given that JC was on a rumoured 4k at Swindon. Vernon was on 2k at Aberdeen and I would suggest that A-A was on not too much less at Tranmere. We then add the very expensive Mangan to the mix..... These players were 'reported' to be earning a combined 11k recently at previous clubs. Anyone like to hazard a guess what our annual strikers wage bill is shaping up to be this season? As delighted as I am with the new signings, the 'canny scot' inside me is nagging at me. Can we afford it? I can only think that Matt and Mellon have persuaded RW that £1m nest eggs are a luxury we can well do without. Huge backtrack on last years transfer policy of making money available only for players we can improve, develop and ultimately sell on. Delighted to see the back of it. Next years accounts will be fascinating. Wonder how far JT's £250k and saving Wealo's bumper wages will stretch... There is no way RW will put the clubs financial stability at risk. What you are forgetting is that on top of last seasons wage bill of contracted players, unbelievably£600,000 was paid on loan players as our contribution to their wages. Correct me if Iam wrong but I am sure there is a 60%salary cap on league 2 clubs and taking into account The above I feel confident this is not a s**t or bust scenario and it is not something that is in RW makeup!
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Post by wiseone on Jul 25, 2014 7:07:38 GMT 1
We probably over the final year of his contract is some way. So FGR didn't need to pay him off to offload him. Mangan still has 2 years left to go on a reported 3k deal. Let's hypothesise that we've split the remaining 2 years with FGR. We would still be picking up a 3k per week tab for AM's one year deal. Of course we have no real idea how much we are paying our quartet of strikers but given that JC was on a rumoured 4k at Swindon. Vernon was on 2k at Aberdeen and I would suggest that A-A was on not too much less at Tranmere. We then add the very expensive Mangan to the mix..... These players were 'reported' to be earning a combined 11k recently at previous clubs. Anyone like to hazard a guess what our annual strikers wage bill is shaping up to be this season? .. But the deals may favour us a lot more than you think (but only the club will know) Collins and Mangan needed to be off loaded by their clubs, both players needed new starts. Both followed a path back to known territory be it the club or manager. Which will all help us when coming to negotiations I am sure that their previous clubs will be paying a hefty slice of the salary with agreements about sell-ons and promotion. FGR appear to be appealing in regards the sacking, if successful they will have no liabilities but via off loading him they now have more flexibility in regards their own budget. Dare I say it this more like a one year loan with no recall clause! The other two were not exactly stars at their last club so being offered two year contracts will have helped. One thing I am sure is that the wages will be higher than Tom B's but his transfer fee will have ironically covered some of the cost of his replacements (if we did get in theory what we were due?). But if we need to worry about something just think how much we paid to get rid of our contracted donkeys ......... That will have swallowed up a few quid.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 25, 2014 7:09:39 GMT 1
I'm excited by the odd 'wild card'.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 25, 2014 7:36:55 GMT 1
Mangan still has 2 years left to go on a reported 3k deal. Let's hypothesise that we've split the remaining 2 years with FGR. We would still be picking up a 3k per week tab for AM's one year deal. Of course we have no real idea how much we are paying our quartet of strikers but given that JC was on a rumoured 4k at Swindon. Vernon was on 2k at Aberdeen and I would suggest that A-A was on not too much less at Tranmere. We then add the very expensive Mangan to the mix..... These players were 'reported' to be earning a combined 11k recently at previous clubs. Anyone like to hazard a guess what our annual strikers wage bill is shaping up to be this season? As delighted as I am with the new signings, the 'canny scot' inside me is nagging at me. Can we afford it? I can only think that Matt and Mellon have persuaded RW that £1m nest eggs are a luxury we can well do without. Huge backtrack on last years transfer policy of making money available only for players we can improve, develop and ultimately sell on. Delighted to see the back of it. Next years accounts will be fascinating. Wonder how far JT's £250k and saving Wealo's bumper wages will stretch... There is no way RW will put the clubs financial stability at risk. What you are forgetting is that on top of last seasons wage bill of contracted players, unbelievably£600,000 was paid on loan players as our contribution to their wages. Correct me if Iam wrong but I am sure there is a 60%salary cap on league 2 clubs and taking into account The above I feel confident this is not a s**t or bust scenario and it is not something that is in RW makeup! Not suggesting that our future is at stake or anything like it. I am suggesting however that we lost a fair chunk of cash last season. We could be on course to do the same this. We have sellable assets at the club. I cannot help feel that most of these won't see much first team action this season unfortunately.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 25, 2014 7:40:12 GMT 1
I am sure is that the wages will be higher than Tom B's but his transfer fee will have ironically covered some of the cost of his replacements Tom Bradshaw transfer fee? If only.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 25, 2014 8:06:54 GMT 1
Last season's squad, less big higher league earners like Tam, Parry & Weale, and probably Taylor's contract offer to keep him, less £600k of loans, less Summerfield and Hall and Bradshaw and Winfield and whoever else.
Plus an unbudgeted £300k windfall for Bradshaw and Taylor, and a chief executive who thinks he can get the commercial arm moving a bit more robustly.
Halstead and Caton won't be on a lot - neither Ellis at Crewe comparatively or Demetriou.
We've pushed the boat out for the strikers and I don't think NWP would be on low wages at Posh, and to nick Wesolowski probably a few quid. Lawrence is on much less than we think I would imagine because Portsmouth are still paying him £2.5k a week. So that is five-six big earners at least, replacing our four-five biggest earners - plus a £300k kitty.
It is not quite as crazy as it seems. Remember Eaves was on a big wedge here!
Plus you might find all sorts of cost cutting in other areas offset some of these wages - like reducing the numbers of comp tickets or whatever.
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Post by Matster on Jul 25, 2014 8:07:06 GMT 1
Who knows. Those with half a brain will suggest our wage bill is likely to be similar this season to last season's. If it is then those who spent the same amount of money on wages for last years motley crew obviously didn't have half a brain. Maybe JJ, the goalies and Tam were on mega wages that distorted the figures (surely not Winfield) ? Weale, Mkandawire, Winfield, Parry, Jacobson, Summerfield. I would add Taylor but someone reckoned he has on 950 a month... MarkGlasgow - Did we only get 250k for taylor? Thought it'd be more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:01:47 GMT 1
There is no way RW will put the clubs financial stability at risk. What you are forgetting is that on top of last seasons wage bill of contracted players, unbelievably£600,000 was paid on loan players as our contribution to their wages. Correct me if Iam wrong but I am sure there is a 60%salary cap on league 2 clubs and taking into account The above I feel confident this is not a s**t or bust scenario and it is not something that is in RW makeup! Not suggesting that our future is at stake or anything like it. I am suggesting however that we lost a fair chunk of cash last season. We could be on course to do the same this. We have sellable assets at the club. I cannot help feel that most of these won't see much first team action this season unfortunately. Well, I had a little conversation with Roland less 2 weeks back, and his aim is still to get the cash reserves which were around £600,000 at the end of the season back up to near £1,000,000 in 12 months time and believes this is a realistic target. Weale and Mkandawire were on big money and the JT transfer hopefully will reach the 400k so that will help.
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Post by spartan on Jul 25, 2014 13:05:00 GMT 1
I'd like to know from where the figure of £600k spent on loans last season has emerged.
My recollection is that Welshshrew revealed a figure of £300k quoted by the Chairman in his Q&A session at the Fans' Parliament.
Loan players occupied the equivalent of 2.3 outfield positions (based on minutes played) throughout last season, or roughly a quarter of the outfield team at any time.
The annual average cost per position was therefore about £130,000 - as it transpired this was terrible value for money at the equivalent of £2500 per week.
However I can see why Turner was seduced by the loan system in trying spend the absolute minimum yet retain League One status.
We appear to have moved to the other extreme in the sense that we have little room left for manouevre now that the majority of the squad are on two-year contracts.
We look to have assembled a competitive squad, but it remains to be seen whether it can achieve both a promotion this season and retain League One status in 2015/16.
A few contibutors on this forum seem to think that if signings don't prove successful, they can be cast-off at the end of a season regardless of contractual commitments.
On a separate point I think the League Two salary cap is 55% ( compared with 60% for League One). With away attendances at Greenhous guaranteed to fall, with TV rights income flat, with ST sales down, and with the impact of matchday ticket prices yet to be discovered, one has to conclude that the Chairman has injected some cash to make the books balance.
Either that, or MW has included an FA Cup run through to the 6th round in his income projections!!
Who is our Club Accountant nowadays (following Andy Pugh's departure earlier in the year)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:01:10 GMT 1
I'd like to know from where the figure of £600k spent on loans last season has emerged. My recollection is that Welshshrew revealed a figure of £300k quoted by the Chairman in his Q&A session at the Fans' Parliament. Loan players I am fairly sure Welshrew quoted the 600k figure and I can assure you it is correct because Roland Wycherly told me back in May when he gave me 50 minutes of his time at the club back in May. It is also a fact we spent a near million on loan players over the last 2 seasons!
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 25, 2014 14:14:26 GMT 1
I'd like to know from where the figure of £600k spent on loans last season has emerged. My recollection is that Welshshrew revealed a figure of £300k quoted by the Chairman in his Q&A session at the Fans' Parliament. Loan players I am fairly sure Welshrew quoted the 600k figure and I can assure you it is correct because Roland Wycherly told me back in May when he gave me 50 minutes of his time at the club back in May. It is also a fact we spent a near million on loan players over the last 2 seasons!That really is scary. False economy of the highest order.
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Post by lenny on Jul 25, 2014 14:21:08 GMT 1
We probably over the final year of his contract is some way. So FGR didn't need to pay him off to offload him. Mangan still has 2 years left to go on a reported 3k deal. Let's hypothesise that we've split the remaining 2 years with FGR. We would still be picking up a 3k per week tab for AM's one year deal. Of course we have no real idea how much we are paying our quartet of strikers but given that JC was on a rumoured 4k at Swindon. Vernon was on 2k at Aberdeen and I would suggest that A-A was on not too much less at Tranmere. We then add the very expensive Mangan to the mix..... These players were 'reported' to be earning a combined 11k recently at previous clubs. Anyone like to hazard a guess what our annual strikers wage bill is shaping up to be this season? As delighted as I am with the new signings, the 'canny scot' inside me is nagging at me. Can we afford it? I can only think that Matt and Mellon have persuaded RW that £1m nest eggs are a luxury we can well do without. Huge backtrack on last years transfer policy of making money available only for players we can improve, develop and ultimately sell on. Delighted to see the back of it. Next years accounts will be fascinating. Wonder how far JT's £250k and saving Wealo's bumper wages will stretch... Tbf Mark, Collins almost certainly will have taken a wage cut with relegation. Most clubs these days have them written into contracts as standard, so it's fair to say he'll be on lower than £4k. With Mangan, one suspects he will have agreed to a lower wage than he was on at FGR even accounting for the settlement they'll be pating. A crack at the football league will have tempted him, and the fact it's a one year deal will give him the possibility of another decent contract/signing on fee next summer if he does well. And, of course, if he can come to an agreement with them/us over a lower wage then it'll remove the whole contract dispute issue that was hanging over him. If we look at the JT money being put into wages, that's a smidge above £2k a week that we can afford to increase the wage bill by on last season over the next 2 years. There are certainly a few decent wages that we'll be banding about in the squad (can't see how JLAA would have been on £2k pw at Tranmere) but there are also the likes of the two keepers, Clarke, Caton, Demetriou, Woods and Wildig who won't be on much, and certainly less than their predecessors in the case of the newbies. Considering the wages we were spending on certain centre halves last season as well as Weale, I'd be surprised if we're spending more than last season. Also, one thing people need to remember is the cost of the loans last season. Yes, people might have looked at them as a cheap option but they most certainly were not! There's no way RW will have sanctioned any amount of spending that would put the club at risk - not that you were implying so - and I agree the most likely scenario is that MW, MM and RW have decided using some of the "rainy day" fund on having a real go at promotion over the next 2 years is a worthwhile gamble with the security of several very saleable young players in Smith, Burton, Lewis, Woods, Wildig and Goldson to safeguard the balance should we fail to go up over the next 2 years.
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Post by lenny on Jul 25, 2014 14:23:19 GMT 1
If it is then those who spent the same amount of money on wages for last years motley crew obviously didn't have half a brain. Maybe JJ, the goalies and Tam were on mega wages that distorted the figures (surely not Winfield) ? Weale, Mkandawire, Winfield, Parry, Jacobson, Summerfield. I would add Taylor but someone reckoned he has on 950 a month... MarkGlasgow - Did we only get 250k for taylor? Thought it'd be more than that. JT was on more than £950 pw. With his transfer fee, plenty of add-ons in there which will push it up, hopefully. Think £250k is the initial fee and anything else is just a bonus.
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