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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 3, 2014 9:41:24 GMT 1
I don't think anybody accused him of deliberately taking the club down. People were making the point that there appeared to be a drastic underinvestment in the squad - Bradshaw and Marsden as the only two strikers at the start of the season, and continually missing out on transfer targets in four transfer windows, for example.
We still don't know why that happened for sure - whether it was down to Wycherley, Turner or both - but one feasible explanation is that the money was just not there. If it is there now, then fantastic but it doesn't change what happened last season.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 3, 2014 9:56:20 GMT 1
If we do spend money this window then the fans who all slagged off the chairman last season need to take a long look at themselves. Then why didn't we do it for the last few windows ? Seems slightly ridiculous, spending money to get to a stage where we were a few months ago.
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 3, 2014 10:07:10 GMT 1
If we do spend money this window then the fans who all slagged off the chairman last season need to take a long look at themselves. Then why didn't we do it for the last few windows ? Seems slightly ridiculous, spending money to get to a stage where we were a few months ago. Well as hard as it is to criticise our greatest ever manager we need to ask him. He always said money was available but never got the players in we needed. The thing is the majority on here blamed RW.
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Post by Matster on Jun 3, 2014 10:27:48 GMT 1
Because fingers were being pointed at him for being tightfisted and deliberately taking the club down. If the pace of potentially good signings continue then it'll show that GT's pace of doing things was like visiting a cream tea cafe with Mrs Overall serving whereas MM, MJ and MW (shall we just call them The M's in charge?) are like McDonald's on Oxford Street at lunch time.
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Post by atcham jack on Jun 3, 2014 10:37:17 GMT 1
i for one will never accept GT deliberately us down. it is a monstrous comment and it should be withdrawn. GT had many players on the end of a line( not to be confused with another thread.) but was unable to land the catch because of town being in the back of beyond, or only a 1 year contract no stability, other clubs more acceptable and offered longer contracts,.
i believe money was there and is now being used. but no one should think GT deliberately the club he loved, down. an unforgivable suggestion.
the money was there but it seems now we can dip our line anywhere and attract new talent. 2 year contracts must be part of the answer. roland's root and branch approach is bring forth young saplings and i commend roland, mickey, jacko and particularly matt w2illiams for making things happen.
do hope MM deliberately takes town up, and a little less blame on GT
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Post by atcham jack on Jun 3, 2014 10:39:53 GMT 1
AJ likes M and M's by the way! floreat salopia!
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Post by calimero on Jun 3, 2014 10:40:22 GMT 1
Mellon is also rebuilding virtually from scratch so he has to hit the ground running, he has no choice.
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 3, 2014 10:44:21 GMT 1
i for one will never accept GT deliberately us down. it is a monstrous comment and it should be withdrawn. GT had many players on the end of a line( not to be confused with another thread.) but was unable to land the catch because of town being in the back of beyond, or only a 1 year contract no stability, other clubs more acceptable and offered longer contracts,. i believe money was there and is now being used. but no one should think GT deliberately the club he loved, down. an unforgivable suggestion. the money was there but it seems now we can dip our line anywhere and attract new talent. 2 year contracts must be part of the answer. roland's root and branch approach is bring forth young saplings and i commend roland, mickey, jacko and particularly matt w2illiams for making things happen. do hope MM deliberately takes town up, and a little less blame on GT Nobody has said GT us down deliberately, people on here were saying that RW basically had as he had done things on the cheap last season. He got pummelled on here for months. I said that the money was there so basically fault has to be GT's inability to attract players to the club. He didn't do it deliberately but sadly for all of us it seems at the end he lost his magic touch and the end result was relegation.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 3, 2014 11:25:12 GMT 1
If we do spend money this window then the fans who all slagged off the chairman last season need to take a long look at themselves. On the contrary we should thank them, fact is he didn't spend last season but is now maybe thanks to the pressure put on him from these fans ... keep up the pressure (when needed)
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Post by mattmw on Jun 3, 2014 11:48:31 GMT 1
Another interpretation might be that Turner felt the players available weren't worth the money they were asking for so didn't sign them
Certainly seems as though the new signings look decent and should add to the team but until we see them play and gell together we won't really know if we have simply dished out 2 year deals on average players, or whether the club is getting its act together
Remember we gave Bright and Elder long contracts and that didn't work out too well either
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 3, 2014 12:05:36 GMT 1
If we do spend money this window then the fans who all slagged off the chairman last season need to take a long look at themselves. yeah why??completely justified. And if it was gt being a w****r. He should have said in the press once he had gone.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 3, 2014 12:07:55 GMT 1
Another interpretation might be that Turner felt the players available weren't worth the money they were asking for so didn't sign them Certainly seems as though the new signings look decent and should add to the team but until we see them play and gell together we won't really know if we have simply dished out 2 year deals on average players, or whether the club is getting its act together Remember we gave Bright and Elder long contracts and that didn't work out too well either Starting from a lower baseline too, the Turner recruits last year might have been alright in a league 2 side. The trouble is that getting in league 1 or championship players when you are in league 1 puts you up against the funny money. Getting people in at league 2 gives the added carrot of enabling a non-league player to fulfill his dream or a league player who is released to stay in the league. Hopefully 2 year deals will keep a promoted team together next season.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 12:14:39 GMT 1
I was one that blamed Roland for lack of funds, if you believe the stories over the past few months then funds were available but GT decided to go down the loan route. If that is true then of course GT has to be made fully accountable although Id still question whether the funds available were sufficient to attract L1 players.
On the face of it, it sounds ridiculous that we'd spend £125k when we have just been relegated and are looking to build our cash reserves. However very much like that summer with Paul Simpson, if Roland has found 'something' which tells him to go for promtion then we could be in for an interesting summer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 12:26:55 GMT 1
All very hypothetical at the moment.
IF and this is a big IF we are going to spend £125k on a striker then would James Collins be the first name on the list, are there no better alternatives available on a free transfer?
We need at least 3 new strikers (possibly 4 if Tom Bradshaw leaves) so if we are to spend then we need to do so wisely.
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Post by fidgett44 on Jun 3, 2014 12:51:22 GMT 1
Collins isn't worth 125 K I didn't think he was that good before he went to Swindon , there will be far better younger players with fire in their bellies that are better than him for nothing !!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jun 3, 2014 13:16:58 GMT 1
Collins isn't worth 125 K I didn't think he was that good before he went to Swindon , there will be far better younger players with fire in their bellies that are better than him for nothing !! Compared to our strikers since? ?
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jun 3, 2014 13:22:13 GMT 1
Our obsession with former players continues. Flattered to deceive first time around and hasn't set the world alight at Swindon or Hibs. If we have £125k to spend, let's spend it wisely!
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 3, 2014 13:40:33 GMT 1
Our obsession with former players continues. Flattered to deceive first time around and hasn't set the world alight at Swindon or Hibs. If we have £125k to spend, let's spend it wisely! who would you buy with 125k
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Post by ercallshrew on Jun 3, 2014 14:07:00 GMT 1
Sounds like Hibs fans can't wait to get rid and would happily drive him south. I'm not sure I'd want him back , on a free yes but not for the money stated.
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Post by bertymax on Jun 3, 2014 14:19:50 GMT 1
£125,000, to potentially get him back? What did we eventually get for him after Swindon tried to stuff us at the tribunal?, im sure it wasn't as much as what is being quoted here and he's hardly set the footballing world alight since he departed us.
Personally, I don't know what all the fuss was when he was here first time, I remember him missing some sitters. we definitely need to add some firepower up front but not sure Collins the answer
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 3, 2014 14:21:22 GMT 1
it was around 220k with all the add on's when Swindon eventually paid us.
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Post by MidWalesShrew on Jun 3, 2014 14:29:24 GMT 1
So basically everyone on here has been banging on about us 'not replacing Collins' for 2 seasons. Now there is a rumour of us bringing the same James Collins back to the club and suddenly he's not good enough??
49 goals in 166 apps at the age of 23 if not bad atall. Maybe not worth £125k but far better than what we have had in the past 2 seasons.
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 3, 2014 14:37:13 GMT 1
If we did sign him then he's going to get you goals at League 2 level!
Wages may be an issue though.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 3, 2014 14:59:05 GMT 1
Our obsession with former players continues. Flattered to deceive first time around and hasn't set the world alight at Swindon or Hibs. If we have £125k to spend, let's spend it wisely! continued to score 1 in 3 at Swindon at a higher level than his 1 in 3 for us in league 2 only sold as Swindon were desperate for the money and perhaps the SPL was a step too far for him at 22 ? werenow talking about league 2 again so no doubt he'd be fantastic at this level just cant see it happening but if it did a great bit of work by whoever's steering the club
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 3, 2014 15:17:47 GMT 1
I just remember him playing up front on his own after Morgan got sent off and being more of a handful than our two strikers were for any defence since he left!
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 3, 2014 15:42:07 GMT 1
Don't underestimate how much Gornell enhanced his game too, they both complimented each other very well. Interesting that Gornell has struggled since and Collins has as well, too a point bar 1/3 at Swindon
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Post by shrewder on Jun 3, 2014 15:57:31 GMT 1
Don't like the idea of resigning previous players. It rarely works out well. In any job they say you should never go back.
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Post by stainesr on Jun 3, 2014 16:00:15 GMT 1
Sign him up. Scored loads of goals and is also very skilful, he really linked well with our attacking midfielders. I know we don't seem to do well when players come back but surely our luck has to change with this sooner or later.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jun 3, 2014 17:13:27 GMT 1
Mickey Brown, Dave Walton, Darren Moss,et al...
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Post by atcham jack on Jun 3, 2014 17:26:18 GMT 1
he did not flatter to deceive at swindon. if we can offer him stability over 2 years, this may prove a sensible investment.
as for gt if i have misinterpreted that he deliberately us down, i apologise. having read it ageain it is possible some3 people thought he had deliberately taken us down, for those thinking that i say they are wrong.
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