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Post by SouthStandShrew on Feb 28, 2014 11:34:33 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 28, 2014 12:51:33 GMT 1
We've a chance to bring new technology to stadiums. It will be safer than what we've got at the moment," Symns told BBC Late Kick Off East. " "At stadiums all around the world people are standing in seated areas. We can't stop that, so let's find a way of making it safer for everybody. " "And if somebody stands up in front of you and ruins your day out, we can eliminate that." Yep, and there you have it in a nutshell. You do wonder whether it might just come down to the clubs taking the lead and just going ahead and installing rail seating and just allowing supporters to stand in that section. It seems people (for whatever reason) seem reluctant to use common sense and change these rules/laws. So maybe it'll just come down to clubs being left to do their own thing, to do as they see fit themselves. I doubt anyone would actually punish them for doing so as there does appear to be a real clear lack of leadership on this. Everyone seems to be waiting on someone else to get this moving forward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 13:08:14 GMT 1
Difficult one really but I do believe people should be catered for if they prefer to stand.
I would be well p**sed off if the people in front of us started standing up all game in front of my mum who physically can't.
A stadium should cater for everyone's tastes really.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 28, 2014 16:50:28 GMT 1
We've a chance to bring new technology to stadiums. It will be safer than what we've got at the moment," Symns told BBC Late Kick Off East. " "At stadiums all around the world people are standing in seated areas. We can't stop that, so let's find a way of making it safer for everybody. " "And if somebody stands up in front of you and ruins your day out, we can eliminate that." Yep, and there you have it in a nutshell. You do wonder whether it might just come down to the clubs taking the lead and just going ahead and installing rail seating and just allowing supporters to stand in that section. It seems people (for whatever reason) seem reluctant to use common sense and change these rules/laws. So maybe it'll just come down to clubs being left to do their own thing, to do as they see fit themselves. I doubt anyone would actually punish them for doing so as there does appear to be a real clear lack of leadership on this. Everyone seems to be waiting on someone else to get this moving forward. I might be wrong on this but think Government legislation states that all football league and premier grounds must have a safety certificate issued each year. This is issued by a safety panel made up of the club, police, fire, ambulance and local authority reps. So it's not quite down to the clubs alone. I think it unlikely any safety panel would be brave enough to issue a safety certificate for a ground unless government change the legislation. So that's why a change in legislation is needed It would seem were in a rather stupid catch 22 situation at the moment where clubs need to demonstrate safe standing is safe, but don't want to risk investing in it until the government changes the rules. The Bristol City case might be one where some tests can be carried out and act as a test case to show it works
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 28, 2014 17:21:34 GMT 1
We've a chance to bring new technology to stadiums. It will be safer than what we've got at the moment," Symns told BBC Late Kick Off East. " "At stadiums all around the world people are standing in seated areas. We can't stop that, so let's find a way of making it safer for everybody. " "And if somebody stands up in front of you and ruins your day out, we can eliminate that." Yep, and there you have it in a nutshell. You do wonder whether it might just come down to the clubs taking the lead and just going ahead and installing rail seating and just allowing supporters to stand in that section. It seems people (for whatever reason) seem reluctant to use common sense and change these rules/laws. So maybe it'll just come down to clubs being left to do their own thing, to do as they see fit themselves. I doubt anyone would actually punish them for doing so as there does appear to be a real clear lack of leadership on this. Everyone seems to be waiting on someone else to get this moving forward. I might be wrong on this but think Government legislation states that all football league and premier grounds must have a safety certificate issued each year. This is issued by a safety panel made up of the club, police, fire, ambulance and local authority reps. So it's not quite down to the clubs alone. I think it unlikely any safety panel would be brave enough to issue a safety certificate for a ground unless government change the legislation. So that's why a change in legislation is needed It would seem were in a rather stupid catch 22 situation at the moment where clubs need to demonstrate safe standing is safe, but don't want to risk investing in it until the government changes the rules. The Bristol City case might be one where some tests can be carried out and act as a test case to show it works I'm not so sure as rail seating allows the choice of sitting and standing. So a rail seating section still meets all current stadium requirements for all seater stadiums anyhows. Its just how its used on a match day that might cause friction. But then how can they have a pop at a club allowing people to stand when it is happening week in, week out anyhows. I honestly think any club that did this wouldn't have any issues at all. Because the people who run the game know full well they can't have a go at a club for allowing fans to stand as it happens anyway. They don't have a leg to stand on. So it wouldn't surprise me if we start seeing the clubs taking the lead in all this. I'm only guessing but you just get the impression that no one other than clubs are ready to make this decision...
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Post by mattmw on Feb 28, 2014 18:32:06 GMT 1
You would certainly hope it's something the clubs, safety groups and government can sort out as its certainly a stupid situation at the moment of seeing large seated areas full of people standing.
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Post by Matster on Feb 28, 2014 19:24:26 GMT 1
If they're the same seats as the ones featured on Midlands Today a couple weeks ago then they're supposedly made in Shrewsbury
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Post by Matster on Mar 1, 2014 22:23:32 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2014 7:38:35 GMT 1
That's interesting, that's the first time I've read about the corners being used to introduce a standing section. So I guess that would be the plans for the Meadow if it were ever to come about. I guess that can then be used to gage demand and then go from there. Cool. Good to see Town in support. Can you buy shares in that seating company? They'll be quids in if the rail seating gets the OK...
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Post by Matster on Aug 22, 2014 13:35:48 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Aug 22, 2014 15:09:45 GMT 1
Excellent, that confirms it then, I mean, an electoral pledge is a promise isn't it? Like that one on tuition fees ...
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Post by MartinB on Dec 18, 2014 0:06:05 GMT 1
Last two nights I have seen Cologne and Borussia Monchengladbach play at home. Terracing at each ground and no rail seats. Looked pretty much like loads of terraces I have stood on in this country before law changes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 10:34:40 GMT 1
I see no reason why the club (apart from their being a cost) could not take the seating out of the South stand and convert to terracing. It would increase the capacity, and would only become an issue if we avoided relegation after one season in the Championship should we ever get there. By that time the rules might have changed about all seater stadium!
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 18, 2014 10:53:30 GMT 1
And we really do believe them. Uh don't we! I wouldn't believe them if they told me today was Thursday!!!!
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Post by 5941 on Dec 18, 2014 11:48:52 GMT 1
I' d like to stand, but I don't want to watch from a corner. Ideally standing should be behind the goals.
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 18, 2014 11:54:19 GMT 1
I' d like to stand, but I don't want to watch from a corner. Ideally standing should be behind the goals. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards My first choice these days is sitting but that's because I'm getting older! It seems to me though that the best atmospheres are generated by those standing and more often than not those standing behind a goal. Have to agree that corner standing doesn't seem to be the best idea if atmosphere is what you are trying to create.
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Post by calimero on Dec 18, 2014 15:57:03 GMT 1
A tiny pocket of terracing in the corner would look ridiculous.
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Post by blazey on Dec 18, 2014 16:58:54 GMT 1
The Big Bank home end behind the goal at Exeter really is still a beautiful sight to behold...
Would love to see rail seats in the bottom half of our South Stand, and also in the more vociferous blocks 18/19 where most of us standers currently congregate.
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Dec 18, 2014 17:49:10 GMT 1
The Big Bank home end behind the goal at Exeter really is still a beautiful sight to behold... Would love to see rail seats in the bottom half of our South Stand, and also in the more vociferous blocks 18/19 where most of us standers currently congregate. If the South Stand was standing, then 99% of block 18/19 would go there in nano-seconds. As would half the rest of the West stand to be honest. It would be a brilliant improvement to the ground, especially with those 2 corners filled in. Wonder what the costs would actually be? Probably too much for the club to easily manage from current resources. Maybe Joe Hart will buy the club one day. He's probably got enough money down the back of his couch to pay for it.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Dec 18, 2014 18:28:19 GMT 1
I think the south stand with its corners would be an awesome site, the south curva :-)
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Post by Matster on Dec 18, 2014 19:29:36 GMT 1
Become a steward and you can stand all of the time at the match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 21:35:25 GMT 1
the problem with converting any stand from seating would be the angle, its to steep for converting, and with rail seating it would decrease the capacity rather than increase it if put at the bottom of the stand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 3:31:40 GMT 1
But surely a standing stand would need to be steeper to allow for the differences in height of fans, which is far more pronounced than when sitting down.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Dec 19, 2014 10:24:47 GMT 1
Absolutely not true, its a myth started by those that don't want it to happen! No alterations needed at all to the stands with rail seats, the gradient is fine. We stand all the time in 19 and 18 no problems at all seeing. Adding a rail with seats wont be a problem. Tried and trusted and converted in Germany and Belgium with no problems. The only cost is installing it.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 19, 2014 11:05:15 GMT 1
I am going to Theatre Severn tonight to see the Panto with my Grandkids. I wonder if we will be allowed to stand through the whole show.
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Post by MartinB on Dec 19, 2014 11:16:38 GMT 1
Here are a couple of photos (Hopefully) of terraces in Geramny that aren't rail seats Borussia MonchengaldbachCologneBoth these grounds can be converted to seating for European games
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:16:51 GMT 1
I went to a panto every other week for about 6 months last year. Did,nt enjoy it very much, even the bit where we shouted to the Chucklies " the're behind you" got a bit boring, cos it did,nt seem they were bothered. Anyway, I sat down most of the time, but would stand now and again at the exciting bits ( about twice) so do your own thing mark, mate.
Never got to see Widow Twanky, but everyone seemed to be called a Twanky by the crowd, which with my hearing seemed a bit strange.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:27:36 GMT 1
Absolutely not true, its a myth started by those that don't want it to happen! No alterations needed at all to the stands with rail seats, the gradient is fine. We stand all the time in 19 and 18 no problems at all seeing. Adding a rail with seats wont be a problem. Tried and trusted and converted in Germany and Belgium with no problems. The only cost is installing it. A myth eh!! ah well that's my qualification buggered then!!
I firmly believe that standing should be allowed, but in designated areas, this is so it does not inconvenience people who wish to sit, but trust me when I say that the angle by the standards set in the green guide is to steep to just take seats out. and there are good reasons as to why, especially with crowd surge.
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Post by bobbyc on Dec 19, 2014 11:53:12 GMT 1
You cannot have a crowd surge in rail seats.
It's impossible - the deepest the crowd would ever be is two people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:30:47 GMT 1
Absolutely not true, its a myth started by those that don't want it to happen! No alterations needed at all to the stands with rail seats, the gradient is fine. We stand all the time in 19 and 18 no problems at all seeing. Adding a rail with seats wont be a problem. Tried and trusted and converted in Germany and Belgium with no problems. The only cost is installing it. Whats a myth is it what Dowie says that the stand will need to be shallower for standing or deeper? It's not a myth that people differ in height more when they stand than sit. Legs tend to be the longest part of the body. If you are aiming the your first sentence at me then I have been advocating ''safe standing'' since the Taylor report by conducting petitions, being a member of FSF's campaign and writing to MP's.
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