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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 18:26:59 GMT 1
Rail Seats at the lower end of stands would be fine as the pitch of the stand is largely irrelevant as you basically still get 1 person per seat, which the can either utilise of not, the problem would decrease the stand capacity if this was used in conjunction with a mixed stand as you would lose 2 or 3 rows at the change over point.
If it was to be a dedicated terrace, which is only used for spectators, then the pitch would need to be shallower, and have safety rails every 6 to 8 steps to stop crowd surge.
Terraces are not unsafe, overcrowding is unsafe and peoples behaviour is unsafe, a correctly policed and controlled attendance would mean that terraces are perfectly safe.
Obviously as a myth I have my reference on this which is the guide to safety at sports ground 2008 5th edition, which I will return to DCMS and the FLA and ask for a refund, as section 13 is inaccurate as follows, could you please state your reference to this myth as I will argue the case for you.
Design of terrace steps When designing new terraces, or assessing the (P) factor of existing standing areas, it should be noted that: a. The dimensions of terrace steps, and therefore the angle of slope, have a direct correlation with the spacing of crush barriers, as detailed in Table 11.2. b. Angles of slope, or gradients, in excess of 25° are potentially hazardous and should be avoided. Where they exist, consideration should be given to a reduction in the (P) factor or the provision of additional crush barriers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:33:52 GMT 1
We are a L2 club and only the top two divisions are banned from having a terrace. Morecambe built a whole new stadium with terraces included. So why couldn't the Club could open up a safe standing area with the corners being ideal place to start? It could be a bit of a risk using the current stands as this may prevent us hosting U21 internationals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:41:17 GMT 1
We are a L2 club and only the top two divisions are banned from having a terrace. Morecambe built a whole new stadium with terraces included. So why couldn't the Club could open up a safe standing area with the corners being ideal place to start? It could be a bit of a risk using the current stands as this may prevent us hosting U21 internationals. I cannot see a logical reason as to why clubs in all divisions don't provide terraced areas, and am firmly of the belief that all should b e catered for, as to our club, we got given a substantial grant where there was a covenant that we provide a fully seated stadium. this will undoubtedly stay in pace until a revision in the law. Either that or we give the money granted back, but I doubt we can afford that, I think it was near £2mil so divide that by all the people who want to stand and then get them to stump up the cash to enable it to happen.
makes me smile when the people have a go at the club about this issue, as it is a fight out of there control, it is a fight that needs legislation change.
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Post by mattmw on Dec 19, 2014 23:44:14 GMT 1
Agree with Downie this is very much an issue that needs a lead from the government and football authorities before change will happen.
Modern stadiums should be able to meet the needs of a range of fan experiences from the corporate comfort of the executive boxes, through to safe but atmospheric standing areas. But clubs and safety bodies need to know they won't be dragged through the courts if something occurs at a stadium because they allow safe standing
Hopefully government will see sense in changing legislation and backing clubs to make the changes.
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Post by El Presidente on Dec 20, 2014 15:03:58 GMT 1
Difficult one really but I do believe people should be catered for if they prefer to stand. I would be well p**sed off if the people in front of us started standing up all game in front of my mum who physically can't. A stadium should cater for everyone's tastes really. I've heard your dear mum can't physically stand you too...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:20:53 GMT 1
Difficult one really but I do believe people should be catered for if they prefer to stand. I would be well p**sed off if the people in front of us started standing up all game in front of my mum who physically can't. A stadium should cater for everyone's tastes really. I've heard your dear mum can't physically stand you too... She loves me (or is it pity?)
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Post by bobbyc on Dec 22, 2014 11:36:03 GMT 1
Rail Seats at the lower end of stands would be fine as the pitch of the stand is largely irrelevant as you basically still get 1 person per seat, which the can either utilise of not, the problem would decrease the stand capacity if this was used in conjunction with a mixed stand as you would lose 2 or 3 rows at the change over point.
If it was to be a dedicated terrace, which is only used for spectators, then the pitch would need to be shallower, and have safety rails every 6 to 8 steps to stop crowd surge.
Terraces are not unsafe, overcrowding is unsafe and peoples behaviour is unsafe, a correctly policed and controlled attendance would mean that terraces are perfectly safe.
Obviously as a myth I have my reference on this which is the guide to safety at sports ground 2008 5th edition, which I will return to DCMS and the FLA and ask for a refund, as section 13 is inaccurate as follows, could you please state your reference to this myth as I will argue the case for you.
Design of terrace steps When designing new terraces, or assessing the (P) factor of existing standing areas, it should be noted that: a. The dimensions of terrace steps, and therefore the angle of slope, have a direct correlation with the spacing of crush barriers, as detailed in Table 11.2. b. Angles of slope, or gradients, in excess of 25° are potentially hazardous and should be avoided. Where they exist, consideration should be given to a reduction in the (P) factor or the provision of additional crush barriers. Those regulations you quote are written about traditional terrace steps, not about rail seats, which have a barrier every two steps - i.e behind every seat. Admittedly there is currently nothing in the regs about them because they're a new concept for UK authorities. I am sure that the angle of the stands at New Meadow will be perfectly suitable for rail seats because there will be a full width barrier every two steps. I'm sure we will all be viewing the installation at Bristol City with interest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 14:45:06 GMT 1
I think that says so in the first line, ie largely irrelevant, infact the whole post says exactly that, try reading it and understanding what is written!
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 22, 2014 16:14:26 GMT 1
We stand where we want We stand where we want We are the shrewsbury We stand where we want
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