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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 0:50:03 GMT 1
synonyms: bewildered, confused, puzzled, perplexed, baffled, stumped, mystified, stupefied, nonplussed, muddled, befuddled, fuddled, dumbfounded, at sea, at a loss, at sixes and sevens, thrown (off balance), taken aback, disoriented, disconcerted, discomposed, troubled, discomfited, unnerved, shaken, shaken up, dazed, stunned, astonished, astounded; informalflummoxed, bamboozled, discombobulated, clueless, fazed, floored, beaten; informalbushed; archaicwildered, mazed, distracted "they wandered about with bemused expressions" Who? Graham? ... ... ... No, never!?
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 3, 2014 0:54:21 GMT 1
synonyms: bewildered, confused, puzzled, perplexed, baffled, stumped, mystified, stupefied, nonplussed, muddled, befuddled, fuddled, dumbfounded, at sea, at a loss, at sixes and sevens, thrown (off balance), taken aback, disoriented, disconcerted, discomposed, troubled, discomfited, unnerved, shaken, shaken up, dazed, stunned, astonished, astounded; informalflummoxed, bamboozled, discombobulated, clueless, fazed, floored, beaten; informalbushed; archaicwildered, mazed, distracted "they wandered about with bemused expressions" Who? Graham? ... ... ... No, never!? Hopefully more perplexed then befuddled!
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Post by buryshrew on Jan 3, 2014 0:57:04 GMT 1
The crowd would have been much less quick to judge Ugwu earlier in the season, if he wasn't loanee number God knows what. His treatment is partially down to frustration with GT's hit and miss loan policy in general. Blame, if there is any, needs to be spread pretty evenly if you ask me.
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Post by twoleftfeet on Jan 3, 2014 1:00:12 GMT 1
i am sure that he has gone back to reading where he belongs. i did not think anything of him let me just remind you how many goals he scored 2 , yes eaves hasnt done as well but he creats play and makes chances. I keep reading he got 2 goals but I can only remember the 1 v Oldham I thought he scored against Stevenage away too?? Could be wrong tho!
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 1:06:32 GMT 1
I keep reading he got 2 goals but I can only remember the 1 v Oldham I thought he scored against Stevenage away too?? Could be wrong tho! You're incorrect, Eaves, Jacobson and Reach scored that day. Turner commented that he felt "He could have worked harder for the team". Yeah, he could work harder for the time by not turning up even to training because he wouldn't even make the bench in Malvern Town's team.
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 3, 2014 1:06:35 GMT 1
I seem to remember another manager at STFC getting p**sed off with the fans and then being hounded out of the club..... You say 'another manager' getting p**sed off with the fans. I'll assume that you are hoping to align Turner to Simpson? I know you are desperate to get rid of GT but suggesting that his comments regarding Gozie are in any way similar to the 'diabolical' tripe spouted by his predecessor are way out of line. Turner has afford our support nothing less that the utmost respect and praise. Even when that praise has perhaps not been merited.
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 1:27:37 GMT 1
The crowd would have been much less quick to judge Ugwu earlier in the season, if he wasn't loanee number God knows what. His treatment is partially down to frustration with GT's hit and miss loan policy in general. Blame, if there is any, needs to be spread pretty evenly if you ask me. Maybe you're right.. But my problem with this whole situation is he was ok in the first couple of games, had a bad one, got some stick and didn't play well thereafter... Talk about kicking ourselves in the ass!! What happens to the next loan guys who perhaps don't hit the ground running? Let's not forget we need them possibly more than they need us..
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 1:32:20 GMT 1
The crowd would have been much less quick to judge Ugwu earlier in the season, if he wasn't loanee number God knows what. His treatment is partially down to frustration with GT's hit and miss loan policy in general. Blame, if there is any, needs to be spread pretty evenly if you ask me. Maybe you're right.. But my problem with this whole situation is he was ok in the first couple of games, had a bad one, got some stick and didn't play well thereafter... Talk about kicking ourselves in the ass!! What happens to the next loan guys who perhaps don't hit the ground running? Let's not forget we need them possibly more than they need us.. If they aren't good to start with they won't get any better. As is the way of 'strikers who come to Shrewsbury Town'. Even Reach looked unstoppable first game, then just looked average. Happens, training is the only thing I can think of we can question.
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Post by twoleftfeet on Jan 3, 2014 1:35:07 GMT 1
I thought he scored against Stevenage away too?? Could be wrong tho! You're incorrect, Eaves, Jacobson and Reach scored that day. Turner commented that he felt "He could have worked harder for the team". Yeah, he could work harder for the time by not turning up even to training because he wouldn't even make the bench in Malvern Town's team. Yeah just checked. Sorry about that!!
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 3, 2014 1:35:39 GMT 1
Ugwu is a different situation to most. He wasn't booed because he was cr@p, it's because he wasn't even arsed to try. He was picking up a wage, compounding our misery by not just being woeful, but by not caring either. He was a disgrace against Tranmere. Fans have every right to be frustrated about that and to let him know. He might thank us one day, if he learns and gives his all to make a career for himself.
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 1:41:33 GMT 1
Maybe you're right.. But my problem with this whole situation is he was ok in the first couple of games, had a bad one, got some stick and didn't play well thereafter... Talk about kicking ourselves in the ass!! What happens to the next loan guys who perhaps don't hit the ground running? Let's not forget we need them possibly more than they need us.. If they aren't good to start with they won't get any better. As is the way of 'strikers who come to Shrewsbury Town'. Even Reach looked unstoppable first game, then just looked average. Happens, training is the only thing I can think of we can question. So if we bring in another striker next week and he has a slow couple of first games, are you saying you're going to have a go at him!? Who ever we bring in, even if they aren't seen as the players we want, we really need to get behind them... Because we're in a bit of a dogfight now aren't we!
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 1:47:04 GMT 1
If they aren't good to start with they won't get any better. As is the way of 'strikers who come to Shrewsbury Town'. Even Reach looked unstoppable first game, then just looked average. Happens, training is the only thing I can think of we can question. So if we bring in another striker next week and he has a slow couple of first games, are you saying you're going to have a go at him!? Who ever we bring in, even if they aren't seen as the players we want, we really need to get behind them... Because we're in a bit of a dogfight now aren't we! Erm, not really what I said. I'm saying that's what has happened not what I wanted to happen... As in Lopez looked okay, trained, then went poor, same with most of the others. If they start poorly, then train, what's gonna happen? Put two and two together. Been like it for ages!
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 1:50:10 GMT 1
Ugwu is a different situation to most. He wasn't booed because he was cr@p, it's because he wasn't even arsed to try. He was picking up a wage, compounding our misery by not just being woeful, but by not caring either. He was a disgrace against Tranmere. Fans have every right to be frustrated about that and to let him know. He might thank us one day, if he learns and gives his all to make a career for himself. Yea, true, but I think his lack of effort was a result of what fans did/said/chanted prior to the Tranmere game... The damage was already done at that point and it had become a downward spiral. Whatever your view here, it sure will be interesting to see how his career develops won't it.
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 2:03:00 GMT 1
So if we bring in another striker next week and he has a slow couple of first games, are you saying you're going to have a go at him!? Who ever we bring in, even if they aren't seen as the players we want, we really need to get behind them... Because we're in a bit of a dogfight now aren't we! Erm, not really what I said. I'm saying that's what has happened not what I wanted to happen... As in Lopez looked okay, trained, then went poor, same with most of the others. If they start poorly, then train, what's gonna happen? Put two and two together. Been like it for ages! Erm, I never said you did. I 'asked' if that is what you were saying as the post you were replying to was about fan reaction, not wheather a player who has a slow start can improve. On that. I agree that some of the loans have started well and faded, but it's not set in stone that is what will happen next time is it?
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 3, 2014 2:06:01 GMT 1
Ugwu is a different situation to most. He wasn't booed because he was cr@p, it's because he wasn't even arsed to try. He was picking up a wage, compounding our misery by not just being woeful, but by not caring either. He was a disgrace against Tranmere. Fans have every right to be frustrated about that and to let him know. He might thank us one day, if he learns and gives his all to make a career for himself. Correct. I, like most Town fans are realistic in expectations and do not expect to see quality of the likes we see in the premier league. What I do like to see are players who will put a 'shift' in and for me against Tranmere and Walsall Ugwu was disinterested. It has been suggested by some on here that GT was running down the touchline at Crewe 'encouraging' Ugwu to up his work rate. I was not there to witness this so apologies if this is incorrect. Town fans on the whole appreciate players who work hard regardless of ability. Sharps, SCS, Weale et al are players that our fans hold great affection for because although their ability may or may not be lacking, they always gave 100% to the cause when pulling on the Town shirt. We are not a club that takes too lightly to passengers.
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 3, 2014 2:12:01 GMT 1
Erm, not really what I said. I'm saying that's what has happened not what I wanted to happen... As in Lopez looked okay, trained, then went poor, same with most of the others. If they start poorly, then train, what's gonna happen? Put two and two together. Been like it for ages! Erm, I never said you did. I 'asked' if that is what you were saying as the post you were replying to was about fan reaction, not wheather a player who has a slow start can improve. On that. I agree that some of the loans have started well and faded, but it's not set in stone that is what will happen next time is it? It is if you, like Fran, believe that we are destroying players by our training methods. Grandison, Taylor, Goldson, Woods, Wildig & Jacobson must be training at Telford right? Fran you might want to call PNE and Sheff Utd and ask what their 'training' did to Wroe and Macca. They were decent when they left here...
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 2:26:16 GMT 1
Erm, I never said you did. I 'asked' if that is what you were saying as the post you were replying to was about fan reaction, not wheather a player who has a slow start can improve. On that. I agree that some of the loans have started well and faded, but it's not set in stone that is what will happen next time is it? It is if you, like Fran, believe that we are destroying players by our training methods. Grandison, Taylor, Goldson, Woods, Wildig & Jacobson must be training at Telford right? Fran you might want to call PNE and Sheff Utd and ask what their 'training' did to Wroe and Macca. They were decent when they left here... Of course I was referring to strikers, last notable decent strikers in I don't know how long James Collins/Gornell was good in L2 with the partnership.
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Post by Matster on Jan 3, 2014 10:04:49 GMT 1
Ugwu is a different situation to most. He wasn't booed because he was cr@p, it's because he wasn't even arsed to try. He was picking up a wage, compounding our misery by not just being woeful, but by not caring either. He was a disgrace against Tranmere. Fans have every right to be frustrated about that and to let him know. He might thank us one day, if he learns and gives his all to make a career for himself. We had a certain winger a season ago who drifted in and out of the game, yet scored a lot of important goals and provided assists. He didn't always 'give 100%' by running around and wasn't great at tackling either. The fans regularly got on his back too.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 3, 2014 10:54:54 GMT 1
Ugwu was very poor at Crewe as well showing no interest or effort. The only fans who were upset at the Tranmere game were those who weren't at Crewe believe me. As has been said already it is the effort and commitment put in that counts with most of us the plaudits for skill will always follow in time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 11:22:53 GMT 1
Gozie Ugwu is a professional footballer.
He can't be wrapped up in cotton wool for the whole of his career.
If he wasn't performing then he needed to be told, irrespective if he was one of our players or not.
We cannot afford passengers in our team at the moment, if he was not prepared to put in a shift then he is of no use to us.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 3, 2014 11:33:07 GMT 1
If you want to see why he went back just read the headline on the scrappy Star sports page today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 11:37:06 GMT 1
If you want to see why he went back just read the headline on the scr@ppy Star sports page today!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's it say?
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 3, 2014 11:49:14 GMT 1
No rest as Shrewsbury Town gear up for Leyton Orient!!!!! ,
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 3, 2014 12:09:39 GMT 1
I was merely stating a historical fact. You seem to have read quite a lot into it. Don't forget that to 'assume' is to make an ass out of you and me. Or just you in this instance. As it happens I had Ian McNeill in mind. Although Simpson could be an example too. I seem to remember another manager at STFC getting p**sed off with the fans and then being hounded out of the club..... You say 'another manager' getting p**sed off with the fans. I'll assume that you are hoping to align Turner to Simpson? I know you are desperate to get rid of GT but suggesting that his comments regarding Gozie are in any way similar to the 'diabolical' tripe spouted by his predecessor are way out of line. Turner has afford our support nothing less that the utmost respect and praise. Even when that praise has perhaps not been merited.
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 3, 2014 13:00:38 GMT 1
I was merely stating a historical fact. You seem to have read quite a lot into it. Don't forget that to 'assume' is to make an ass out of you and me. Or just you in this instance. As it happens I had Ian McNeill in mind. Although Simpson could be an example too. You say 'another manager' getting p**sed off with the fans. I'll assume that you are hoping to align Turner to Simpson? I know you are desperate to get rid of GT but suggesting that his comments regarding Gozie are in any way similar to the 'diabolical' tripe spouted by his predecessor are way out of line. Turner has afford our support nothing less that the utmost respect and praise. Even when that praise has perhaps not been merited. Calling it how I see it. It's what we're here for afterall. Don't blame you for backtracking. I would have done the same.
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Post by lenny on Jan 3, 2014 17:46:04 GMT 1
Ugwu is a different situation to most. He wasn't booed because he was cr@p, it's because he wasn't even arsed to try. He was picking up a wage, compounding our misery by not just being woeful, but by not caring either. He was a disgrace against Tranmere. Fans have every right to be frustrated about that and to let him know. He might thank us one day, if he learns and gives his all to make a career for himself. We had a certain winger a season ago who drifted in and out of the game, yet scored a lot of important goals and provided assists. He didn't always 'give 100%' by running around and wasn't great at tackling either. The fans regularly got on his back too. Ugwu made Wrighty look like Jonny Taylor for tracking back.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jan 3, 2014 17:46:53 GMT 1
Rumour on Twitter he's Port Vale bound
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:52:09 GMT 1
Mr Ugwu is thinking of switching to cricket as he has heard you can have a runner.......
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 17:54:40 GMT 1
Mr Ugwu is thinking of switching to cricket as he has heard you can have a runner....... He'd have to have someone to field for him too, can't see him doing drinks either.
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