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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 19:21:37 GMT 1
certainly lacking in any meaningful criticism. Is Dunn there to criticise?
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Post by northwestman on Jan 1, 2014 19:23:42 GMT 1
certainly lacking in any meaningful criticism. Is Dunn there to criticise? Well, it might make for a slightly more stimulating interview than what we get at present.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 19:31:03 GMT 1
Is Dunn there to criticise? Well, it might make for a slightly more stimulating interview than what we get at present. Only if you want to hear criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 19:31:36 GMT 1
Is Dunn there to criticise? Well, it might make for a slightly more stimulating interview than what we get at present. What would you like Stuart to ask?
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 1, 2014 19:31:36 GMT 1
So the question was asked and we had an answer, however it sounded to me like Graham blames the fans for Gozies failures !!??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 19:34:11 GMT 1
So the question was asked and we had an answer, however it sounded to me like Graham blames the fans for Gozies failures !!?? Didn't sound like that to me as he mentioned that his work rate could have been better. It sounded like he was trying to protect a young player who has had his first taste of crowd criticism.
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 1, 2014 19:37:40 GMT 1
I've watched/listened to interviews with GT where other reporters have either asked inappropriate or frankly stupid questions and it's fair to say that GT doesn't mince his words.
Terse, one worded answers to questions would be far from stimulating.
I wouldn't say I was a Stu Dunn 'fanatic' but he does a pretty excellent job on the whole in my book.
Sometimes asking the wrong questions at the wrong time can illicit some interesting responses...
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Post by jonbond on Jan 1, 2014 19:53:52 GMT 1
I don't think GT is the easiest of interviewees , he never calls a reporter by his name, and their is rarely any attempt at humour. All in all I think dunn does a decent job. I've noticed when GT is interviewed by national media /tv he is far more open and relaxed which is a bit odd
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 1, 2014 20:12:10 GMT 1
So the question was asked and we had an answer, however it sounded to me like Graham blames the fans for Gozies failures !!?? Didn't sound like that to me as he mentioned that his work rate could have been better. It sounded like he was trying to protect a young player who has had his first taste of crowd criticism. My comment wasn't really supposed to be an attack on GT, just wanted to see what came back... I think the he 'may' have a point. And yes, that's exactly what he is doing (having to do!)... Makes you wonder if perhaps we'd been a little more supportive maybe.... (Just saying/asking) Looking at the home/away form of late you have to wonder why it is we aren't doing too well in front of our own fans!?!?
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jan 1, 2014 21:43:07 GMT 1
An angry, needlessly aggressive and more than likely p*ssed up scotsman. Who knew!
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 1, 2014 22:16:50 GMT 1
An angry, needlessly aggressive and more than likely p*ssed up scotsman. Who knew! You weren't complaining when 'An angry, needlessly aggressive and more than likely p*ssed up scotsman' was leading your team to glory for as long as you can remember LS?
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 1, 2014 22:21:35 GMT 1
certainly lacking in any meaningful criticism. Is Dunn there to criticise? Not necessarily. But like all good journalists he is there to challenge and scrutinise. So your view of him perhaps ought to hinge on how well you think he does this?
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 1, 2014 22:32:39 GMT 1
So the question was asked and we had an answer, however it sounded to me like Graham blames the fans for Gozies failures !!?? Didn't sound like that to me as he mentioned that his work rate could have been better. It sounded like he was trying to protect a young player who has had his first taste of crowd criticism. Sorry onthepitch owd lad you're wrong here. You need to start accepting that you newly prolific Paul is all knowing on matters Salop. Know your place kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 22:44:00 GMT 1
Is Dunn there to criticise? Not necessarily. But like all good journalists he is there to challenge and scrutinise. So your view of him perhaps ought to hinge on how well you think he does this? It's strange really because my understanding of the post match interview is to find out what Turner thinks about Towns performance. Whilst the kind of interview and journalism you refer to certainly has a well recognised and valued place in society, I'm not sure that's the point of this interview. I guess it's also correct to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Turner nor Town have any obligation to give these interviews . So why would Dunn risk p**sing people off by doing a Paxman and thus end up giving Town fans no post match interview at all, one of the few things I imagine that keeps people tuned in to radio Shropshire after the match ends.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 22:46:16 GMT 1
Didn't sound like that to me as he mentioned that his work rate could have been better. It sounded like he was trying to protect a young player who has had his first taste of crowd criticism. Sorry onthepitch owd lad you're wrong here. You need to start accepting that you newly prolific Paul is all knowing on matters Salop. Know your place kid. From what I've read, onthepitch is pretty good at agreeing or disagreeing with alternative opinions in a mature way. Don't think he would be sarcastic or personal just because somebody had challenged one of his views.
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Post by FyfeeDee on Jan 1, 2014 22:57:03 GMT 1
i am sure that he has gone back to reading where he belongs. i did not think anything of him let me just remind you how many goals he scored 2 , yes eaves hasnt done as well but he creats play and makes chances.
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 1, 2014 23:49:51 GMT 1
Not necessarily. But like all good journalists he is there to challenge and scrutinise. So your view of him perhaps ought to hinge on how well you think he does this? It's strange really because my understanding of the post match interview is to find out what Turner thinks about Towns performance. Whilst the kind of interview and journalism you refer to certainly has a well recognised and valued place in society, I'm not sure that's the point of this interview. I guess it's also correct to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Turner nor Town have any obligation to give these interviews . So why would Dunn risk p**sing people off by doing a Paxman and thus end up giving Town fans no post match interview at all, one of the few things I imagine that keeps people tuned in to radio Shropshire after the match ends. Not sure of the contractual obligation (or not). Would (I assume) be governed by the Football League as its their competition. Suspect the obligation is to put 'someone' up as spokesperson, not necessarily the manager. Also, the profile, gravitas and clout of the interviewer within the context of the station / with the club will impact what is considered an 'acceptable' question in the interview - although neither the BBC or any staffer / freelancer working for them are going to admist that in public. I think, as it goes, Turner is a tough interview, he goes in with the intention it seems to me of not giving much away, which is fair enough and also gives him an advantage in a live interview where the onus and presssure is on the interviewer to get engaging responses. All that said, I don't take on board the suggestion I've seen above that some questions might be totally unacceptable - interviewer can ask what the hell he or she likes - if its plain daft then I expect GT is savvy enough to swat it down and leave interviewer with egg on face. I don't think asking why Ugwu wasn't in the 18 fits into this category though. And you don't necesarily have to Paxman someone if you want to avoid looking like quasi club PR - there's a half way house - Nick Collins at Sky and Gabriel Clark at ITV are good - tough but fair - and often throw in a curved ball having been all nicey nicey at the outset. Sorry to ramble but its a personal pet subject and I can see its not a clearcut argument. Where I think STFC fall down is all too often actions don't match messages "we're hoping to do a Yeovil" / "loanees must be better than what we have" etc - a lot of my annoyance with GT / RW is due to fact that as a fan I feel my expectations are recurrently mismanaged - and given that like many football supporters my expectations are invariably based on assumptions and emotions - that's a dangerous way to play the fan relationship - all makes it more colourful on this board though!
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 2, 2014 1:33:10 GMT 1
I believe it is in the interest of the fans and the listeners of Radio Shropshire for the interviewer to challenge and scrutinise the manager of the club. As for Ogwu I am interested as he is an employee of the club albeit temporary, was removed at half time and then subsequently dropped from the following games despite not being injured or returning to his parent club.
Too often the club are aloof and treat the fans and therefore its customers with contempt. There have been many recent rumours concerning potential investors, the club's financial state and GT allegedly being on borrowed time, but all we hear from RW is sweeping statements regarding the aim for the playoffs and from GT about there being funding available. Having seen Town on several occasions recently, apart from the Oldham game, we cannot rely on loan players and need significant funding for permanent transfers to continue our existence in League 1.
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Post by Shrew_Down_Under on Jan 2, 2014 1:59:32 GMT 1
Is he working at KFC?
Sent from my HTC One X using proboards
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Post by northwestman on Jan 2, 2014 12:37:52 GMT 1
I believe it is in the interest of the fans and the listeners of Radio Shropshire for the interviewer to challenge and scrutinise the manager of the club. As for Ogwu I am interested as he is an employee of the club albeit temporary, was removed at half time and then subsequently dropped from the following games despite not being injured or returning to his parent club. Too often the club are aloof and treat the fans and therefore its customers with contempt. There have been many recent rumours concerning potential investors, the club's financial state and GT allegedly being on borrowed time, but all we hear from RW is sweeping statements regarding the aim for the playoffs and from GT about there being funding available. Having seen Town on several occasions recently, apart from the Oldham game, we cannot rely on loan players and need significant funding for permanent transfers to continue our existence in League 1. Good post.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 2, 2014 17:03:30 GMT 1
Is he working at KFC? Sent from my HTC One X using proboards That's a bit racist.
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Post by jonbond on Jan 2, 2014 19:23:54 GMT 1
i am sure that he has gone back to reading where he belongs. i did not think anything of him let me just remind you how many goals he scored 2 , yes eaves hasnt done as well but he creats play and makes chances. I keep reading he got 2 goals but I can only remember the 1 v Oldham
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 2, 2014 19:39:32 GMT 1
i am sure that he has gone back to reading where he belongs. i did not think anything of him let me just remind you how many goals he scored 2 , yes eaves hasnt done as well but he creats play and makes chances. I keep reading he got 2 goals but I can only remember the 1 v Oldham
Yep, just the one goal. When he first came, I thought he was really promising, then he just seemed to lose interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 23:52:07 GMT 1
Thought that GTs assessment about Ugwu was very interesting.
First time I can remember a manager confirming a player being unsettled due to barracking from his own fans at halft time, and then agreeing with them.
Albert tells me there was a dressing room handbag fight with Mr Eaves lol
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 3, 2014 0:12:32 GMT 1
First time I can remember a manager confirming a player being unsettled due to barracking from his own fans at halft time, and then agreeing with them. I think he was first unsettled by comments etc at or after an earlier game than the one where he disappeared... Strange how people aren't discussing the fans role in all this when the manager has clearly pointed it out as being the cause of the players failure to perform? As as for Turner agreeing... It sounded pretty half hearted to me and I don't think we should read it as him approving of fans behaviour toward Gozie, I imagine he was pretty p**sed off by it.
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 3, 2014 0:30:02 GMT 1
I seem to remember another manager at STFC getting p**sed off with the fans and then being hounded out of the club.....
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 3, 2014 0:37:57 GMT 1
Surely Stu Dunn didn't ask about the whereabouts or future of Gozie Ugwu? The issue lies 100% with the player. If Gozie cannot handle a little dissent from the crowd then you have to worry about his future in the game. Resilience and memtal toughness are pre-requisites in professional football. The lad could learn something from the likes of Tom Bradshaw or Aaron Wildig. As for Turner he seemed pretty bemused by it all. Back to drawing board...
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 3, 2014 0:47:01 GMT 1
Thought that GTs assessment about Ugwu was very interesting. First time I can remember a manager confirming a player being unsettled due to barracking from his own fans at halft time, and then agreeing with them. Albert tells me there was a dressing room handbag fight with Mr Eaves lol Sooner he realises he has no makings of a footballer, the better for the lad. He needs to pursue a new career.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 3, 2014 0:47:18 GMT 1
Surely Stu Dunn didn't ask about the whereabouts or future of Gozie Ugwu? The issue lies 100% with the player. If Gozie cannot handle a little dissent from the crowd then you have to worry about his future in the game. Resilience and memtal toughness are pre-requisites in professional football. The lad could learn something from the likes of Tom Bradshaw or Aaron Wildig. As for Turner he seemed pretty bemused by it all. Back to drawing board... Dunn must have read my earlier post lol. You're right, a professional player will get far more criticism from fans in their career than what Ugwu received whilst he was here. He needs to get used to it if he wishes to garner a professional football career.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 3, 2014 0:48:11 GMT 1
I seem to remember another manager at STFC getting p**sed off with the fans and then being hounded out of the club..... Agreed.
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