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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 14, 2013 11:21:09 GMT 1
...apparently. Now I appreciate there are safety issues that need to be considered but come on!!?? 20,000!!?? Talk about not helping yourself. This is a huge, huge game. We need a win. Nothing other than a win will do. So with that in mind, why on earth would you allocate double the amount of tickets needed to away fans. The Poles are done and dusted, already out. They have nothing to play for...other than now looking to play at Wembley in front of a 20,000 away following. Now maybe more than the original 9000 would be in the stadium but the support would have been spread out and diluted amongst the home support. The FA haven't got a clue. Haven't got a clue.
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Post by Fingers on Oct 14, 2013 11:31:07 GMT 1
Not sure what to make of this.
Tickets in the home end ala AFC Wimbledon v Shrews . . .?
If this happened the fans would be ejected if wearing other colours, singing or chanting etc - are they saying the stewards/police couldn't handle this?
Will this make the match more like a premiership match - two sets of fans going for it?
Will this also provoke the English crowd to sing up?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 14, 2013 11:33:24 GMT 1
Will this also provoke the English crowd to sing up? That's not a bad point to make our kid. It might well have that effect...
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Post by franthetownfan on Oct 14, 2013 11:39:11 GMT 1
Wouldn't matter if it was 20,000, 1000 or 10,000, the polish crowd would still overpower a very dull English crowd.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Oct 14, 2013 12:07:59 GMT 1
Reads as some pathetic 'positive racism' policy. I wouldn't be surprised if Sol Campbell had been consulted.
Imagine if Shrewsbury would have implemented the same thing against Wolves, given them half the RW stand and turfed out all the home fans that usually sit there.
A sad indictment of the way Britain works in my opinion, accommodating the minorities at the expense of the overall majority.
This is the biggest England game for years, it means nothing to Poland.
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Post by atcham jack on Oct 14, 2013 12:15:02 GMT 1
how about nigel farage as ref!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 12:25:01 GMT 1
Regardless of the rights or wrongs (personally think its wrong), I do love the way people are trying to put a positive spin on it with the "boost the atmosphere" argument. When people say the atmosphere at Wembley needs to be improved for England games, Im not sure anyone has suggested that giving 20,000 to away fans was the way forward
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 14, 2013 12:46:09 GMT 1
Shrewsbury did give half of the Riverside to away fans for a few games way back when. I don't think I'll ever forgive the club for doing that...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 14, 2013 13:03:52 GMT 1
I imagine the sections are in blocks of 9000 for the allocation.
Better a big polish contingent in safety than fighting in the stands.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 14, 2013 13:20:11 GMT 1
I imagine the sections are in blocks of 9000 for the allocation. Better a big polish contingent in safety than fighting in the stands. Better still, a 9,000 Polish allocation... I mean, if this does mean near on 11,000 England fans are unable to attend because the tickets have been allocated to the away fans then something is wrong big time (although who knows what the demand is amongst England fans). Just don't understand why you would do this considering what is at stake. 20,000 away fans for a friendly I can understand but not this...
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 14, 2013 13:20:57 GMT 1
Give away fans the bare minimum and above them up in the top teir where they can't be heard or seen
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Post by MidWalesShrew on Oct 14, 2013 15:19:05 GMT 1
I am and EnglandFans member so have my ticket but I know a few people who have been unsuccessful in getting a ticket with fan numbers. Personally think its a complete joke that they have been allocated so many for such a massive game for US not them. The FA really do baffle me these days. Just because they have a large number living in England... Why does that entitle them too 9,000 more tickets?
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Post by MartinB on Oct 14, 2013 19:42:32 GMT 1
I am and EnglandFans member so have my ticket but I know a few people who have been unsuccessful in getting a ticket with fan numbers. Personally think its a complete joke that they have been allocated so many for such a massive game for US not them. The FA really do baffle me these days. Just because they have a large number living in England... Why does that entitle them too 9,000 more tickets? Dont have a great deal of sympathy for not getting a ticket. They were on sale for weeks and they would have had no problem getting them.
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Post by markglasgow on Oct 14, 2013 20:03:12 GMT 1
Give away fans the bare minimum and above them up in the top teir where they can't be heard or seen They'll be heard alright.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 21:15:59 GMT 1
Isn't this just about making money? Or are people trying very hard to read something into it?
Besides, I'm sure the wonderful patriotic, flag waving home support will drown out the Poles?
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Post by MidWalesShrew on Oct 14, 2013 21:22:54 GMT 1
I am and EnglandFans member so have my ticket but I know a few people who have been unsuccessful in getting a ticket with fan numbers. Personally think its a complete joke that they have been allocated so many for such a massive game for US not them. The FA really do baffle me these days. Just because they have a large number living in England... Why does that entitle them too 9,000 more tickets? Dont have a great deal of sympathy for not getting a ticket. They were on sale for weeks and they would have had no problem getting them. To get a ticket you needed a recent booking history.... Which a lot of people wouldn't have had!!
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Post by MartinB on Oct 14, 2013 21:34:51 GMT 1
Dont have a great deal of sympathy for not getting a ticket. They were on sale for weeks and they would have had no problem getting them. To get a ticket you needed a recent booking history.... Which a lot of people wouldn't have had!! not if you bought them in august before the poles sold their allocation
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Post by siabod on Oct 14, 2013 22:39:36 GMT 1
not if you bought them in august before the poles sold their allocation A spokesman said today tha home tickets sold out last Friday and if that is correct they are probably glad to have 10,000 extra Poles as they would not have sold that many to home supporters in 3 days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 22:58:24 GMT 1
Reads as some pathetic 'positive racism' policy. I wouldn't be surprised if Sol Campbell had been consulted. Imagine if Shrewsbury would have implemented the same thing against Wolves, given them half the RW stand and turfed out all the home fans that usually sit there. A sad indictment of the way Britain works in my opinion, accommodating the minorities at the expense of the overall majority. This is the biggest England game for years, it means nothing to Poland. Or this reads as a post of an insecure person obsessed with race issues!! I completely understand why people disagree with the FA decision (i.e. why help increase the support for the opposition for a vital match and/or deny home fans tickets?) but to try to make this an issue about race suggests your grasp on reality is on the weak side.
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Oct 14, 2013 22:59:02 GMT 1
Not one single one of those Polish fans will be travelling from outside Britain to this fixture, I've got lads booking time off tomm night and weds as they're travelling to the game.
What annoys me is that 20,000 partisan Polish fans singing loud & chest beatingly proud will be a spur and twelfth man for Poland and our plod and FA could of done more to prevent it. It's not rocket science to see when we started qualification that we have hundreds of polish in this country and would be a huge demand from them for tickets regardless of what was/wasn't riding on the result for either, so why didn't they say early doors this is what you get, end of. Instead we get the Police/FA deciding last week...ridiculous!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Oct 14, 2013 23:28:17 GMT 1
Reads as some pathetic 'positive racism' policy. I wouldn't be surprised if Sol Campbell had been consulted. Imagine if Shrewsbury would have implemented the same thing against Wolves, given them half the RW stand and turfed out all the home fans that usually sit there. A sad indictment of the way Britain works in my opinion, accommodating the minorities at the expense of the overall majority. This is the biggest England game for years, it means nothing to Poland. Erm, the last time I looked the vast majority of Poles were caucasian Christians, so not sure how you have shoehorned race into this thread? Agree with others that the decision is questionable considering the issue of diluting home advantage, and strange that it was made so late, but positive racism?? Don't think so somehow.
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Post by blue and ambar on Oct 15, 2013 9:41:59 GMT 1
Quite ironic this as I may watch it in central Krakow. Seems to be a lot of English over here and no doubt will be watching the game. Got to say the decision is strange thou, hopefully it will create a good atmosphere at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 10:45:22 GMT 1
Shocking decision. Think about the number of shops that will be closed, offices left un-cleaned for at least two days, and whose going to clean the bogs in the care homes? Not to mention those who claim our benefits, and then spend the money on match tickets.
And don't get me started on the Poles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 12:36:55 GMT 1
Isn't this just about making money? Of course it is about making money. The FA feared that there game would not sell out and saw that there was a big demand from Polish fans so thought "10,000 x £50 +, lets have some of that". The very same reasons they did it v Ireland, Scotland, Ghana etc. Seems sensible in a friendly but in a vital game like this, seems a bit of a potential own goal Of course the 70,000 England fans should drown out the Polish (although they wont) whilst the England team should be professional enough not to let them affect them (time will tell). But if we are talking in money, why risk the millions that can be generated from the World Cup for the money generated from 10,000 extra tickets in a one off match
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 12:49:13 GMT 1
We'd have more chance of drowning out the Poland fans if we didn't have that damn band droning on...
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Post by MartinB on Oct 16, 2013 8:36:05 GMT 1
I am and EnglandFans member so have my ticket but I know a few people who have been unsuccessful in getting a ticket with fan numbers. Personally think its a complete joke that they have been allocated so many for such a massive game for US not them. The FA really do baffle me these days. Just because they have a large number living in England... Why does that entitle them too 9,000 more tickets? See all the Polish fans in the home end last night didn't have problems getting tickets unlike the people you know.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 16, 2013 9:21:42 GMT 1
I am and EnglandFans member so have my ticket but I know a few people who have been unsuccessful in getting a ticket with fan numbers. Personally think its a complete joke that they have been allocated so many for such a massive game for US not them. The FA really do baffle me these days. Just because they have a large number living in England... Why does that entitle them too 9,000 more tickets? See all the Polish fans in the home end last night didn't have problems getting tickets unlike the people you know. Errrrrrrrrrrm. That really doesn't make any sense at all. I gather the people he does know were unable to get tickets for the home end because Polish fans were taking them up. So his point is valid. Polish fans should not have been allowed to purchase tickets in the home end meaning his mates would have been able to pick up a ticket. That's a really strange way your looking at things there...
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Oct 16, 2013 16:45:37 GMT 1
Reads as some pathetic 'positive racism' policy. I wouldn't be surprised if Sol Campbell had been consulted. Imagine if Shrewsbury would have implemented the same thing against Wolves, given them half the RW stand and turfed out all the home fans that usually sit there. A sad indictment of the way Britain works in my opinion, accommodating the minorities at the expense of the overall majority. This is the biggest England game for years, it means nothing to Poland. Or this reads as a post of an insecure person obsessed with race issues!! I completely understand why people disagree with the FA decision (i.e. why help increase the support for the opposition for a vital match and/or deny home fans tickets?) but to try to make this an issue about race suggests your grasp on reality is on the weak side. Funny how both yourself and Shrewinpollution admit to agreeing with what I say before taking umbrage with something quite clearly meant as tongue and cheek. Did you see the Sol Campbell reference? Interesting theory to suggest that I am obsessed with race issues, the only time I ever see your name on these pages is chiming in on issues of that very subject.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 16, 2013 18:44:18 GMT 1
See all the Polish fans in the home end last night didn't have problems getting tickets unlike the people you know. Errrrrrrrrrrm. That really doesn't make any sense at all. I gather the people he does know were unable to get tickets for the home end because Polish fans were taking them up. So his point is valid. Polish fans should not have been allowed to purchase tickets in the home end meaning his mates would have been able to pick up a ticket. That's a really strange way your looking at things there... My point is there was loads of time to buy tickets. If you left it to the last minute you cant expect to get tickets. I believe it sold out on Friday
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Post by WindsorShrew on Oct 16, 2013 20:24:10 GMT 1
Bloody foreigners coming over here and stealing our seats.....booooo
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