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Post by buryshrew on Jun 5, 2012 12:46:42 GMT 1
The club went through the process and during that process the loggerheads flagged up as a problem in the process of copyright, that's a fact. Hi Ian, thank you for taking the time to add a response to this thread. The graphic design experts at Design Happy are adamant (scoring themselves a '10' on a scale from 1-10) that 'if you create your own style of loggerhead then you can copyright and place it in any position you see fit'. I've no doubt that the club went through all the necessary due process last time round, and wouldn't for a second question anyone's integrity regarding this. Sometimes wrong information is given, innocently, or through a slightly different interpretation of a brief and final required outcome. What is most important to me is simply that the club showed a desire to investigate copyrighting a loggerhead style badge last time round, but arrived at a different conclusion than Design Happy are suggesting. That speaks volumes to me, and if a door has been opened up to allow an opportunity to re-explore the option then the club may well be happy to do so. Roland is a Shrewsbury man, and a business man. If the business based copyright obstruction is removed then who is to say that HE wouldn't prefer a return to a loggerheads in some form? No one has to back down on anything here, the club have uncovered new information, which could allow a rethink if the club so wish.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 5, 2012 13:01:58 GMT 1
I really don’t think we need dwell on why the Loggerheads was pasted on when clip art was introduced. We only need to look towards getting the current clip art badge removed and something new introduced that represents the club and the town it represents. I really don’t think there is any need to finger point, to discuss what information was at the time clip art was introduced, the reasoning etc. The tone and direction of some of posts regarding what was said when are, for me, not helping the cause at all. The clip art is here for whatever reason. What were done is done. Let’s just move on and look to get it replaced with something more appropriate. A clean sheet and hopefully the club and supporters can work together to get something in place we can all embrace as the new badge for Town!! Pip pip!!
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Post by poolieshrew on Jun 5, 2012 13:25:34 GMT 1
I have no idea whether the supposed posts from Design Happy is a valid post or whether it is a very clever fake. However if you read their web site under, about, it suggests that the company has only been in existence for 2 years and there are no football related reference. It amazes me that some so called fans over the club are prepared to deprive the club of revenue so that they can have a badge a minority fail to understand could be detrimental to the clubs progress. No one within the pro change camp seems prepared to admit that the cost could be prohibited. One must therefore assume that they want the badge regardless of the cost and therefore regardless of the consequences to the club. Some fans!! You should of stopped at "I have no idea " and returned to your half empty glass of whatever it is your drinking. So called Fans? Really?
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Post by chrispyshrew on Jun 5, 2012 14:00:57 GMT 1
I really don’t think we need dwell on why the Loggerheads was pasted on when clip art was introduced. We only need to look towards getting the current clip art badge removed and something new introduced that represents the club and the town it represents. I really don’t think there is any need to finger point, to discuss what information was at the time clip art was introduced, the reasoning etc. The tone and direction of some of posts regarding what was said when are, for me, not helping the cause at all. The clip art is here for whatever reason. What were done is done. Let’s just move on and look to get it replaced with something more appropriate. A clean sheet and hopefully the club and supporters can work together to get something in place we can all embrace as the new badge for Town!! Pip pip!! Something like Laura's Tower or the River severn? Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 14:04:50 GMT 1
Splendid effort that, chrispyshrew. I really like it.
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Post by almightybob on Jun 5, 2012 14:06:00 GMT 1
I really don’t think we need dwell on why the Loggerheads was pasted on when clip art was introduced. We only need to look towards getting the current clip art badge removed and something new introduced that represents the club and the town it represents. I really don’t think there is any need to finger point, to discuss what information was at the time clip art was introduced, the reasoning etc. The tone and direction of some of posts regarding what was said when are, for me, not helping the cause at all. The clip art is here for whatever reason. What were done is done. Let’s just move on and look to get it replaced with something more appropriate. A clean sheet and hopefully the club and supporters can work together to get something in place we can all embrace as the new badge for Town!! Pip pip!! Something like Laura's Tower or the River severn? A good effort but personally i would ditch lauras tower, make the river loop larger so it would fit around the loggerheads
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Post by chrispyshrew on Jun 5, 2012 14:36:18 GMT 1
Theres a few different ones floating about. I'll see if I can steal some off my famous friend. ;D
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Post by Shrewed on Jun 5, 2012 14:37:16 GMT 1
I have no idea whether the supposed posts from Design Happy is a valid post or whether it is a very clever fake. However if you read their web site under, about, it suggests that the company has only been in existence for 2 years and there are no football related reference. It amazes me that some so called fans over the club are prepared to deprive the club of revenue so that they can have a badge a minority fail to understand could be detrimental to the clubs progress. No one within the pro change camp seems prepared to admit that the cost could be prohibited. One must therefore assume that they want the badge regardless of the cost and therefore regardless of the consequences to the club. Some fans!! You should of stopped at "I have no idea " and returned to your half empty glass of whatever it is your drinking. So called Fans? Really? It is becoming clearer every day that the pro change supporters have resorted to personal attacks rather than trying to defend their case. Why would any supporter deprive the organisation they support of fun because they disagree with the badge. I wonder how many members of the Tory Party stopped donating because of the introduction of the tree or Labour party member who didn't like the rose. Neither of which went out to party member ballots by the way.
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Post by Dan F on Jun 5, 2012 14:41:35 GMT 1
Having read through the entire big post the other day when I compiled that pie, it's pretty clear both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to personal attacks - and both by a minority within the respective groups.
Can't we all just get along? We have different views but we're all Town fans at the end of the day. This shouldn't lead to vitriol or even sides - just opinions.
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Post by almightybob on Jun 5, 2012 14:44:59 GMT 1
Having read through the entire big post the other day when I compiled that pie, it's pretty clear both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to personal attacks - and both by a minority within the respective groups. Can't we all just get along? We have different views but we're all Town fans at the end of the day. This shouldn't lead to vitriol or even sides - just opinions. I totally agree and a good use of a Jack Nicholson quote from Mars attacks
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Post by Dan F on Jun 5, 2012 14:46:23 GMT 1
a good use of a Jack Nicholson quote from Mars attacks
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Post by chrispyshrew on Jun 5, 2012 15:39:53 GMT 1
Something like Laura's Tower or the River severn? A good effort but personally i would ditch lauras tower, make the river loop larger so it would fit around the loggerheads I like Laura's Tower an iconic part of Shrewsbury castle which is an Iconic part of Shrewsbury. The Severn loop also a Shrewsbury icon as is the loggerheads. This version of the loggerheads is unique and not used by any of the other Shrewsbury or Shropshire loggerhead badges.
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Post by almightybob on Jun 5, 2012 15:48:05 GMT 1
A good effort but personally i would ditch lauras tower, make the river loop larger so it would fit around the loggerheads I like Laura's Tower an iconic part of Shrewsbury castle which is an Iconic part of Shrewsbury. The Severn loop also a Shrewsbury icon as is the loggerheads. This version of the loggerheads is unique and not used by any of the other Shrewsbury or Shropshire loggerhead badges. To each their own buddy I dont mind Lauras tower but it looks a bit congested (to me ) with 3 loggerheads the tower and the river. fair do's for having a go though, i haven't the patience and probably not the skill level either
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Post by poolieshrew on Jun 5, 2012 17:40:34 GMT 1
You should of stopped at "I have no idea " and returned to your half empty glass of whatever it is your drinking. So called Fans? Really? It is becoming clearer every day that the pro change supporters have resorted to personal attacks rather than trying to defend their case. Why would any supporter deprive the organisation they support of fun because they disagree with the badge. I wonder how many members of the Tory Party stopped donating because of the introduction of the tree or Labour party member who didn't like the rose. Neither of which went out to party member ballots by the way. Rather than resorting to a smokescreen of politics yet again that have no business in this thread, answer my question around fans. I'm curious how my support of a return to a badge that on numerous levels is the right thing to do somehow makes me less of a fan?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 5, 2012 18:09:05 GMT 1
I've no doubt that the club went through all the necessary due process last time round, and wouldn't for a second question anyone's integrity regarding this. 100% agree with that. You have to remember that at the time there were masses of things going on with the new ground. Does anyone really believe that Roland would have said, "let's pick a badge and tell the supporters we can't use the loggerheads because of copyright". Our leader was no doubt told this. He had to rely on others for advice, you couldn't expect him to do everything. It does now look though, that the advice may have been flawed. We'll see in due course.
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Post by ianwhit on Jun 5, 2012 18:44:46 GMT 1
The club went through the process and during that process the loggerheads flagged up as a problem in the process of copyright, that's a fact. Hi Ian, thank you for taking the time to add a response to this thread. The graphic design experts at Design Happy are adamant (scoring themselves a '10' on a scale from 1-10) that 'if you create your own style of loggerhead then you can copyright and place it in any position you see fit'. Once again another lack of respect.
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Post by Dan F on Jun 5, 2012 18:48:16 GMT 1
I agree you've not been best served by this thread Ian, or in the other one where I'd admit to being guilty (for which I unreservedly apologise if offence taken) - but please can you say where the lack of respect is in that example? He's thanked you and then given a statement of something someone else has said, which relates to your post.
In that case, are you indicating that it's Design Happy that are disrespecting you from what they've said? Or is it just the fact that it flies in the face of what you said? In which case, messageboards without differences of opinion or notions of fact are a little bit pointless...
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Post by jamo on Jun 5, 2012 19:00:41 GMT 1
Once again another lack of respect. Ian, you're probably not best placed to quote others lack of respect on B&A. Just a thought.
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Post by ianwhit on Jun 5, 2012 19:03:28 GMT 1
Once again another lack of respect. Ian, you're probably not best placed to quote others lack of respect on B&A. Just a thought. I fully respect peoples views on here, if i don't agree i tend to say so. yourself, geoff when he was on one of his anti family tirades, other than that i can't think of many others where i might have been accused of going over the top?
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Post by jamo on Jun 5, 2012 19:13:57 GMT 1
Ian, you're probably not best placed to quote others lack of respect on B&A. Just a thought. I fully respect peoples views on here, if i don't agree i tend to say so. yourself, geoff when he was on one of his anti family tirades, other than that i can't think of many others where i might have been accused of going over the top? We'll have to agree to disagree then but I can think of plenty of times when you have flippantly disregarded the views of others if they do not tow the party line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 19:25:33 GMT 1
I really don’t think we need dwell on why the Loggerheads was pasted on when clip art was introduced. We only need to look towards getting the current clip art badge removed and something new introduced that represents the club and the town it represents. I really don’t think there is any need to finger point, to discuss what information was at the time clip art was introduced, the reasoning etc. The tone and direction of some of posts regarding what was said when are, for me, not helping the cause at all. The clip art is here for whatever reason. What were done is done. Let’s just move on and look to get it replaced with something more appropriate. A clean sheet and hopefully the club and supporters can work together to get something in place we can all embrace as the new badge for Town!! Pip pip!! Something like Laura's Tower or the River severn? Now for me, that is superb, even the addition of Laura's Tower which was an iconic landmark from the old ground. Trouble is, do you think some of our younger members would recognise the Tower? Having said that, the best effort so far....love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 20:47:43 GMT 1
Once again another lack of respect. Could you please explain where the 'disrespect' occurred in my earlier posting, Ian? I couldn't have been any more polite.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 5, 2012 21:01:42 GMT 1
Once again another lack of respect. Could you please explain where the 'disrespect' occurred in my earlier posting, Ian? I couldn't have been any more polite. I must admit, I didn't see anything wrong with the post. Unless he said "big nose" and deleted it.
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Post by chrispyshrew on Jun 5, 2012 21:42:42 GMT 1
Something like Laura's Tower or the River severn? Now for me, that is superb, even the addition of Laura's Tower which was an iconic landmark from the old ground. Trouble is, do you think some of our younger members would recognise the Tower? Having said that, the best effort so far....love it. Well I'm pretty sure it would be worth their while to find out a little more about it, a bit of what and where is that tower? I'm sure a lot of older fans would wonder what is that tower? Makes it more interesting Ii think. At first I thought put the Abbey on it but decided against it and went for something just as historic but less known. Something to make people wonder.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 5, 2012 21:55:41 GMT 1
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Post by sgd on Jun 5, 2012 22:08:46 GMT 1
It was built by Thomas Telford as a 21st birthday present for William Pulteney's daughter, Henrietta Laura Johnstone(changed to Pulteney in 1767). It had a great view over the old Meadow.
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Post by barrynic on Jun 5, 2012 22:11:09 GMT 1
Tower, Loggerheads and the river are the perfect symbols for a new badge Crispy -------------- just need proportions and spacing sorted.
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Post by barrynic on Jun 5, 2012 22:12:08 GMT 1
.................................could possibly get it past whats left of the board if you used three of Rolands heads on it.
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Post by Shrewed on Jun 5, 2012 22:33:18 GMT 1
It is becoming clearer every day that the pro change supporters have resorted to personal attacks rather than trying to defend their case. Why would any supporter deprive the organisation they support of fun because they disagree with the badge. I wonder how many members of the Tory Party stopped donating because of the introduction of the tree or Labour party member who didn't like the rose. Neither of which went out to party member ballots by the way. Rather than resorting to a smokescreen of politics yet again that have no business in this thread, answer my question around fans. I'm curious how my support of a return to a badge that on numerous levels is the right thing to do somehow makes me less of a fan? I really wonder if some people read posts before they respond. What i said was - if some one is prepared to boycott club products but is prepared to spend the same amount to fund a campaign against the club's wishes how good a fan are they. Your view of politics are strange if you believe that using two organisations who have recently successfully changed corporate logo, as an example, was political. The Conservative and Labour Parties are both far larger than STFC and have changed their logos with members ballot or the controversy that the Town badge has.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 23:26:46 GMT 1
I honestly couldn't care less what Labour / Conservatives did to their logo, what their members or voters thought of it or how big an organisation they are. I am a supporter of Shrewsbury Town FC and I want a badge to be proud of, not ashamed of. If you're trying to wind people up just forget it, you are the most negative person on this messageboard; if we're not in a relegation battle, we shouldn't be celebrating a win because we'll only go and lose next week. To you the only part of the club that matters is the 11 players on the pitch for 90 minutes every Saturday, and you don't even enjoy that. So stop trying to p**s over everybody's efforts. Don't worry about the costs of a change until we know the full bill and join us in getting back something that makes us proud of our hometown and it's football team we spend £1000s to cheer on around the country even when where we're going is a s**thole like Oldham or Middlesbrough or somewhere we will invitably lose like Torquay. We love our town and our team so let us bring back some bloody pride to them.
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