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Post by Shrewed on Jun 4, 2012 11:53:44 GMT 1
The key point in the Design Happy statement which all on here seemed to ignore is that to change the logo professionally will take 1 to 2 years i.e. at least the 2014/15 season. Bruce used to say points mean prize well in the business world time means money. If it is going to take up to 2 years I suspect Ian was way out in his £30k figure it will be far higher.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 11:54:25 GMT 1
We are firmly on the fan side of this and if given a brief we would be more than happy to design the branding properly. As it stands these are purely concepts only and require work. Lets be honest here, you are a business who see an opportunity to win some business, as you say could be a schedule of 1 to 2 years at least, a nice earner that. Nothing wrong about this, but some will be blinkered in seeing true motives. I like the loggerheads, but would not be happy to see the club spending thousands on a badge change after waiting 15 years to see promotion to the third tier!
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Post by mattmw on Jun 4, 2012 11:57:45 GMT 1
I've always said I'm sat on the fence with the badge. I'll always be a proud Shrewsbury fan whatever the badge, but seeing these designs has swung me. Clippy needs to go. I am not fully supporting a return to the Loggerheads though, I'm supporting a change that doesn't involve a piece of clip art tat. I hope the change happens ASAP and both fans and the club can be happy with what is drawn up and can move on from this. But as said before, I'm a proud Town fan no matter what. And I always buy merchandise to show my support. Agree with this. It's the use of clip art in the current logo that really annoys and upsets me, as it just looks sloppy and unprofessional. In an ideal world a new loggerheads design would be my preferred option but if a new design is produced which meets the clubs needs and is of original design that would be great. And it would stop my design mates laughing when they see clippy over the club doors!
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Post by blazey on Jun 4, 2012 12:27:18 GMT 1
Bruce used to say points mean prize well in the business world time means money. If it is going to take up to 2 years I suspect Ian was way out in his £30k figure it will be far higher.
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Post by champagneprince on Jun 4, 2012 12:28:11 GMT 1
The club have very good and understandable reasons behind not making drastic changes to their branding immediately and we respect that. However, we have stated that we would like to work with the club planning a future and gradual change which will have less of an impact on funds. So, I take it from this that 'costs' have been discussed ? If this is so, and with a possible two years ahead of us, is it possible now that Justin (or whoever) can now work with club to help raise these funds 2 years = potentially a lot of funds raised through many initiatives The cost of any change doesn't have to completely come out of Rolands chequebook. Fans and the board working together on this, is surely the way forward ? Great effort by the way, both designs are streets ahead of the clip art lion. Not quite there though and if the door is open for a planned change then i'd like more consultation with fans groups to come up with the very best design possible.
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Post by Shrewed on Jun 4, 2012 12:35:42 GMT 1
Bruce used to say points mean prize well in the business world time means money. If it is going to take up to 2 years I suspect Ian was way out in his £30k figure it will be far higher. Once again the pro campaign attacks the messenger rather than addressing the issues.
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Post by blazey on Jun 4, 2012 12:41:01 GMT 1
Once again the pro campaign attacks the messenger rather than addressing the issues. Sorry, don't understand the rationality behind your argument? Going over old ground yet again, but I felt that there was a general consensus that changing the logo didn't mean we had to change every STFC dinnerplate and cufflink overnight. A phased change would surely be more cost effective, starting with the kits and signage around the ground at the start of 2013/14 season, with a rolling programme over the next two seasons to clear old stock from the clubshop etc and dispel clippy from the club forever? Not meant as an attack at all, but I have noticed pro-clippy supporters getting extremely thin skinned on here lately!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 12:48:24 GMT 1
I wouldn't bother, when hope2010 inevitably loses an argument he will claim he was on a wind up mission all along.
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Post by Shrewed on Jun 4, 2012 13:01:18 GMT 1
Once again the pro campaign attacks the messenger rather than addressing the issues. Sorry, don't understand the rationality behind your argument? Going over old ground yet again, but I felt that there was a general consensus that changing the logo didn't mean we had to change every STFC dinnerplate and cufflink overnight. A phased change would surely be more cost effective, starting with the kits and signage around the ground at the start of 2013/14 season, with a rolling programme over the next two seasons to clear old stock from the clubshop etc and dispel clippy from the club forever? Not meant as an attack at all, but I have noticed pro-clippy supporters getting extremely thin skinned on here lately! Thin skinned I am not. The point I was making was that everyone seemed happy to accept Design Happy badge but fail to recognise the fact that in there professional opinion it will take up to 2 years to do a proper job. One of the main reasons for change it that the current badge is unprofessional but you are quite happy for a non professional approach to the change. Justingill, by all means answer the question about time and cost I am open to being convinced that it is affordable to change the logo. At the moment you have totally failed to address these issues
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Post by Fingers on Jun 4, 2012 13:07:21 GMT 1
Thanks Design Happy, great to see a new take on the problem.
For me the second design is preferable. The sign of a good badge/logo is that there is no need to have the name of what it is representing think the Nike swoosh for example. Having Shrewsbury Town Football Club and STFC on the same badge is cringeworthy, one of these may be acceptable but neither is my preferred choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 13:08:09 GMT 1
Justingill, by all means answer the question about time and cost I am open to being convinced that it is affordable to change the logo. At the moment you have totally failed to address these issues it would cost approximately £35k to design and approve a new club logo. A further £25k is required for signs and stationary. £20k for kits manufacturing £35K to design a logo which already exists? £25K to replace signs and stationary: only replace when they need replacing = no additional cost. £20K for kit manufacturing = turned into profit when kits sold., we will change our kit in a year anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 13:38:49 GMT 1
Glad to hear that Ceejay75's claim that "it would cost approximately £35k to design and approve a new club logo" is extremely wide of the mark.
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Post by jamo on Jun 4, 2012 13:40:42 GMT 1
Lets be honest here, you are a business who see an opportunity to win some business, as you say could be a schedule of 1 to 2 years at least, a nice earner that. Nothing wrong about this, but some will be blinkered in seeing true motives. I like the loggerheads, but would not be happy to see the club spending thousands on a badge change after waiting 15 years to see promotion to the third tier! I am so happy that you and the other 2 apologists are in such a clear minority. The momentum continues. No surrender.
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Post by barrynic on Jun 4, 2012 13:53:26 GMT 1
Would love to see the three logerheads designed around a minimalist English Bridge ---- now that to me would be a showstopper.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jun 4, 2012 14:08:17 GMT 1
Thanks DH, and well done. First design - As said, no reason to have Shrewsbury Town and STFC in the same logo as these mean the same thing. Would prefer Floreat Salopia there instead and maybe move 1886 to where the 2 little lions are have 18 on one and 86 on the other if it looks good, but it may not. Second design - Looks tidy and more like the original loggerheads. My favourite so far but the debate whether we should have animals more looking like lions or the leopards really needs to be sorted. I'm under the impression that the vast majority of the fan base think the ones on the original loggerheads are in fact leopards? Cracking effort though, a few tweaks here and there and we'll be onto a winner
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Post by timgallon on Jun 4, 2012 14:26:44 GMT 1
Unfortunately, through the use of poor design previously, it looks as though clip art has been used and you are running into legal issues alone by using another persons design. I wonder if that is the case. That is the one thing that really caught my eye in your post... As already mentioned, thanks for coming on here and providing a little background to the concepts you produced. Much appreciated. It's great to hear that the club are happy to discuss this (so well done to Ian for taking time out to chat about this with you). Also, it is also nice to be able to get a little detail regarding the whole process of copyright and what is required (we are really lacking some knowledge on here regarding that). Hope it's not the last time we hear from you anyhows, fingers crossed that we'll be wearing one of your designs in the not so distant future (obviously more work is needed but the second concept you produced is spot on for me)... Stutty this is one of the comments that stood out for me from the DH post. IF true and the clip art badge is not fit for purpose then the whole justfication for the Club using it are blown straight out of the water, notwithstanding all the sound reasons the pro loggerheads campaign are citing - which are justifiable in their own right. Youll never hear this from the Club in public of course, but I bet they regret the day they let this Tony Brooks fella get involved with the badge.
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Post by almightybob on Jun 4, 2012 15:01:26 GMT 1
Would love to see the three logerheads designed around a minimalist English Bridge ---- now that to me would be a showstopper. That wouldn't be too bad, but if we have to change I would prefer to see the meander of the river used in some way because the river is the reason the town is here
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Post by barrynic on Jun 4, 2012 18:38:29 GMT 1
Would love to see the three logerheads designed around a minimalist English Bridge ---- now that to me would be a showstopper. That wouldn't be too bad, but if we have to change I would prefer to see the meander of the river used in some way because the river is the reason the town is here Great idea ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with the loggerheads somehow being bisected by the river. So Amber loggerheads and the river in blue ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,be nice if one our friends could produce an image.
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 4, 2012 19:09:17 GMT 1
That wouldn't be too bad, but if we have to change I would prefer to see the meander of the river used in some way because the river is the reason the town is here Great idea ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with the loggerheads somehow being bisected by the river. So Amber loggerheads and the river in blue ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,be nice if one our friends could produce an image. Of course it's going to be very difficult to please everyone, but for me the ideal solution would be a fans vote on 3 or 4 design options.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 4, 2012 19:11:24 GMT 1
Now I'm probably going to regret asking this, but I've been at work all day, so I expect i've missed it, but where have the designs gone off this thread?
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 4, 2012 19:14:19 GMT 1
Hmmm the original post has been deleted.....
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Post by almightybob on Jun 4, 2012 19:15:58 GMT 1
all the design happy posts have gone
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 4, 2012 19:16:05 GMT 1
All of designhappy's posts have gone...
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Post by Dan F on Jun 4, 2012 19:16:25 GMT 1
All DesignHappy's posts have gone. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Have they ended up on the infamous desk and a word been had?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 4, 2012 19:22:04 GMT 1
So it was an imposter?!
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Post by designhappy on Jun 4, 2012 19:28:05 GMT 1
So it was an imposter?! Hi there, no we are definitely design happy. We will be back in touch with everyone soon. DH
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jun 4, 2012 19:31:28 GMT 1
Why have you deleted your posts? Or did a mod do it?
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 4, 2012 19:32:38 GMT 1
So it was an imposter?! Hi there, no we are definitely design happy. We will be back in touch with everyone soon. DH Thanks DH. Interesting.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 4, 2012 20:35:58 GMT 1
I'll be honest. as I had nothing better to do today than have my carcass dragged round by a lawnflite mower, I began to doubt the OP.
Why would you post late on a Sunday night on something which is important to us?
Is it a coincidence that the next day was a bank holiday?
Why have the club been silent on this?
Might just be me, but it seems a strange way to conduct affairs.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 4, 2012 20:40:05 GMT 1
I'll be honest. as I had nothing better to do today than have my carcass dragged round by a lawnflite mower, I began to doubt the OP. Why would you post late on a Sunday night on something which is important to us? Is it a coincidence that the next day was a bank holiday? Why have the club been silent on this? Might just be me, but it seems a strange way to conduct affairs. Some pro-clippy have been so petulant, when you think of the fake signatures... This would take it to a new level though! Surely no-one could be that sad and vindictive? Agree I had/have suspicions though, we shall see
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